Rip Amy winehouse

All I'm saying is that some people make bad choices and find themselves locked into a path that for x,y and z reasons is difficult to escape from.

We all make bad decisions. Everyone. It's just that some bad decisions have repercussions that are far more serious than others.

I won't judge another person because I would hate to be judged myself (I do believe there's a biblical quote along those lines...!!). I did some daft things as a kid/teenager but luckily taking drugs (well, serious drugs) wasn't one of them. But it could have been. I was never offered any - I like to think now that I would have said no but the teenage me and the 30-something me are very different people so who knows.
 
blakesmum said:
And where do I claim to be perfect? I'm far from perfect but I used myself as an example of choice, I had the same choices to make when offered drugs as she must have. I chose not to. I too had mental health problems I sought out help and took everything that was offered to me and sorted my life out.

She chose to take the drugs and turn down the help. She effectively killed herself.

She may have had a lovely voice, once, she may have been talented, once. She'd wrecked it all. Such a shame for the family (as I already said) as to lose a child, no matter the circumstances, is awful, but no I won't join in the 'what a shame' outpouring that is going on.
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Blakesmum, your siggy says it all! ;)
 
Yes I made an informed choice with an open mind not to take drugs, I made an informed choice with an open mind to get help for my problems.

She closed her mind to everything but the drink and drugs.

That's probably why I'm turning a healthy, hearty and relatively happy 40 this year and she's never going to see another birthday!

Quick question here. If she had been left a vegetable rather than died and been a burden to her family would you all still feel the same about her?
 
Very sad waste of a young life and talent.

People do get into drugs knowing what it can do to them but to be honest once 'addicted' to something it is very very hard, almost scary to imagine life without it - Im a smoker who wishes they had never ever had that first cigarette - I know not anywhere near the same seriousness as heroin but the addictive qualities to it do have similarities.....

and for those who say she was never forced into taking heroin or trying it the first time well.......how do you know that for fact? Its well documented and known that there are various girls who say work in the sex trade or are sold off as sex slaves who are regularly administered heroin as a way of keeping 'control' over them - physically and mentally. Not saying for one minute this happened in amys case but just to point out that it does!

As say, very very sad. I remember seeing those pictures of her the other year staggering round out of it and covered in blood with ripped clothes. Harrowing.
 
Blakesmum, I was refering to this part of your siggy............;)

“A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood”
 
When people say she turned down help etc... were these people in her rehab sessions? She was in and out of rehab - hadn't she just been in rehab shortly before she died?

Addiction is a horrible thing and although she may have been receiving help and support from rehab facilities and friends and family doesn't mean she was on a miraculous road to recovery. It's changing a behaviour and way of thinking and living. Similar to people with depression, you can't just say "cheer up", it takes a lot of 'undoing'

Besides, although it seems likely drink/drugs were the cause of her death, I heard on the radio this morning that the post mortem was inconclusive and they had to do more tests. So at present nobody actually knows why she died.
 
It has been a fairly sad week for news. However I do think there is a comparison to be made; one woman who had a choice and nearly a hundred teenagers who didn't...

There are various arguments regarding drink, drugs, etc but on day one most people do actually have a choice. I only hope that those offered drugs for the first time this week have seen the news and find the strength to say no to peer pressure.
 
My two cents........no one life is worth more than any other. I really hope that I never reach the point where I feel no compassion for the people left behind, regardless what the person may have done in life.

To me that's what it is all about at the end of the day. I doubt Amy's family feel any less bereaved at their loss than those in Norway. A life cut short is ALWAYS sad in my book.

My thoughts are with all those who are mourning the loss of a loved one this week.
 
Comparisons are an inevitable part of life and death. Indeed it is a fairly normal part of the grieving process for those experiencing a loss, or a terminal diagnosis, to make such comparisons. In doing so it does not make the loss of any individual life a less regrettable outcome.

To make an assumption that posters who may make some form of comparison or comment regarding the context, have "no compassion" is quite a leap!!
 
bugbee717 said:
a stupid bint that can't say no is not tragic. It is stupid and very selfish.
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Apologies, I was not implying that the majority of posters that are of the opinion that she made her bed etc or are comparing AW's to that of the people of Norway have no compassion. However, posts such as the above IMO are somewhat lacking in compassion!
 
blakesmum said:
Yes I made an informed choice with an open mind not to take drugs, I made an informed choice with an open mind to get help for my problems.

She closed her mind to everything but the drink and drugs.

That's probably why I'm turning a healthy, hearty and relatively happy 40 this year and she's never going to see another birthday!
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Well I'm absolutely thrilled for you. How wonderful that you can celebrate, all smug and self-righteous, whilst Amy lies 6 foot under and her friends and family are mourning her. :rolleyes: Good for you! :rolleyes:
 
bugbee717 said:
Sorry if you find this vile, what I find vile is that my sister was killed by a driver of a van at Christmas, he could not see her. He was doing 60 in a 40 she was 9 years old. That is vile. My mum had my brother in 1984 he was stillborn at 23 week, but a baby still formed at that age, she was told to dispose of him in a black bag, that is vile. My uncle died of lung problems, not smoking related that is vile. My nan had cancer fair I feel not. I have had a friend take there own life, yes I know what drugs and drink can do, my OH dad is an has a drink problem, a serious problem. Some people in life choose the path they take, some do not, there is taken from them. We know as adults what too much drink, drugs, food, lack of food can do us, how we decided to deal with this is our choice, you live or you die. If she was my OH dad people would just say he drank too much, it's his own fault, that is NOT tragic. What do I remember each chrismas, Santa with his presents, no my sister being run over is that vile, hell no.
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Gosh, do you really think that sadness and tragedy is a competition?! :confused: I feel all the more sorry for you if you truly do. :(

I could list the sadness and loss that I've experienced with my friends and family, which yes, includes a hit and run, resulting in death, where no one was ever caught. Oh & miscarriages & suicides & medical negligence & cancer & murders, etc etc... All of which makes me say - Death is sad.

I myself suffered from a very nasty injury that has turned my life upside down for the worse- that's how this **** works, but it's not a competition, nor is compassion finite.

Loss of life is sad. When it is someone young, then it's all the more tragic. But blaming that person, well, it's just beyond bitter....

Do you really think, **** her?! Amy had £10M!! She sold 4m albums. She won a record 5 grammys. Her parents loved her, and yet NOTHING could make her happy or save her in this world. I feel very sorry for her and her family. I hope that in time they all find peace.
 
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Her death was avoidable, and really serves to point out (yet again) that as long as there are people out there prepared to feed a habit (and this actually includes vendors of cigarettes and alcohol, whose addictive potential is not in question) there will be victims of addiction. Then there are those vultures who hover around and gain from a addict, be it direct payment for the drugs or profit from their drug-fuelled talents

That, I feel, is the tragedy.

I believe she was mentally ill and blatently used. From those things may she rest in peace. Who will the users move on to next, I wonder...
 
blakesmum said:
And where do I claim to be perfect? I'm far from perfect but I used myself as an example of choice, I had the same choices to make when offered drugs as she must have. I chose not to. I too had mental health problems I sought out help and took everything that was offered to me and sorted my life out.

She chose to take the drugs and turn down the help. She effectively killed herself.

She may have had a lovely voice, once, she may have been talented, once. She'd wrecked it all. Such a shame for the family (as I already said) as to lose a child, no matter the circumstances, is awful, but no I won't join in the 'what a shame' outpouring that is going on.
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Well she made lots of dosh,so lets hope her poor parents get it as some repayment for the Hell she put them through. Choices..just a waste of oxygen .:mad:
 
EAST KENT said:
Well she made lots of dosh,so lets hope her poor parents get it as some repayment for the Hell she put them through. Choices..just a waste of oxygen .:mad:
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What planet are you on?!?!?!?!

Seriously?!?!!?

Yes, I'm sure her parents will be greatly consoled with £10M, after their daughter's funeral... :rolleyes: Because everyone knows that money compensates the death of a child, right?!

Good job hey, now that they have all that cash to burn, and they no longer have to deal with that daughter that they love, hey?! I'll bet they are just raising their glasses in delight...

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

******** me!!Honestly, some people are beyond words.... :mad::(:(:(
 
Puppy said:
What planet are you on?!?!?!?!

Seriously?!?!!?

Yes, I'm sure her parents will be greatly consoled with £10M, after their daughter's funeral... :rolleyes: Because everyone knows that money compensates the death of a child, right?!

Good job hey, now that they have all that cash to burn, and they no longer have to deal with that daughter that they love, hey?! I'll bet they are just raising their glasses in delight...

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

******** me!!Honestly, some people are beyond words.... :mad::(:(:(
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well said Puppy! i posted on the other thread, i am completely disgusted that people can say such disrespectful things!!
we all know it wasn't a shock that she died, have any of you worked in mental healt/psychology/drug treatment programs? do you honestly think it is that easy to stop an addiction?? having been in the criminal justice field, these people are what i see every day, and i am deeply saddened that some of you can be so niave (sp)

and as for joining the sick facebook groups? so cruel. even her parents saw her death coming, does not mean it is ok to slander someones life.

shocked at some of these responses.
 
What if...and it's a huge what if...her death was nothing to do with drugs? I know it's unlikely but as yet the post mortem results are inconclusive. It could have been suicide or murder, or a terrible accident completely unrelated to drugs. Or simply natural causes.

And ditto Tonkatoy, I'm shocked at some of the responses too....
 
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