Rollkur/Hyperflexion

TableDancer said:
Kerilli is right, it isn't a witch hunt - however, OP is very young and, fwiw, I think has debated and argued in an undefensive, honest, slightly ingenous way which I find rather refreshing :) So I think we can probably cut her a little slack from time to time about not being very clear in her logic, not expressing herself as clearly as she could and, ok, being plain old wrong some of the time :D

I'm with you, OP, about rapping anyway - it crosses the line for me, however venerable and experienced the proponent :) Plus, I'd prefer a 13 yo to be anti-rapping until they discovered a good reason to change their mind than the other way around ;)
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Completely agree. People may not agree with the Op's viewpoint or approach but I think she has debated her points with good humour and maturity that belies her 13 years.
FWIW I understood immediately what she meant re the 5 yr olds and I think if any more established, respected posters had written the same thing, it would have automatically been taken in that way.
Because the OP has started out being slightly inflammatory, people seem determined to find something to attack her about.

And I agree with Tarrsteps re the photos of minors. I don't think pushing a 13 yr old to put her photo on a public forum is necessarily the best idea.
 
smac said:
What happened to the pictures? I like pretty ponies- inspires me to smarten mine up :O ! Failing that i feel more of CS just to make this thread more colourful. I prefer the threads with pictures. :-P

Rapping hyperflexion draw reins etc all can go one of two ways. Non are good / ideal but different horses builds shape sizes etc.

Think part the problem is op is coming with a very blinkered mummy & daddy method are right and - understandably at 13- has no experience other than her parents.

How was your competition op? Was it dressage or sj?
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i can't figure out how to get my pictures from my phone to the forum :confused: because my phone is pay as you go and internet costs a fortune :eek:

my competition was great!!!!! (it was showjumping) Dyn was 1st at her first show!!! (sooo pleased) and descent had one pole down in the jump off but got such a good timer that she was 3rd!! (it was a fairly small class compared to usual so that might have helped!)
 
Originally Posted by tallyho!
Horsemanship and the equestrian art is dead.
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TuscanBunnyGirl said:
Agree!
unfortunately..also agree :(
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On the basis of this thread?? Really?

That will come as a massive shock to, oh, WFP, Andrew Nicholson, Jock Paget, Carl Hester, Luis Álvarez Cervera, George Morris, Klaus Balkenhol, Katie Jerram, Nick Skelton . . . not to mention the countless excellent riders and horsemen who aren't household names.

;)
 
daffy44 said:
I dont usually comment on things like this, but when someone says a horse is "finished" dressagewise at the age of five, and is no longer a youngster at this age....... Wow, what a frightening perspective!
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this is the reason I couldn't find a decent 7 or 8 year old that hadn't been messed up and had to go back to buying a 4 year old, who I love by the way. Far too many horses are ruined by the time they get to 7 years old and reading this post I can see how.
 
TarrSteps said:
On the basis of this thread?? Really?

That will come as a massive shock to, oh, WFP, Andrew Nicholson, Jock Paget, Carl Hester, Luis Álvarez Cervera, George Morris, Klaus Balkenhol, Katie Jerram, Nick Skelton . . . not to mention the countless excellent riders and horsemen who aren't household names.

;)
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I think she means as in, it is *largely* dead... killed off, or in the process of being killed of by the more "well known" matchy-matchy riders who hog the limelight these days levering in horses necks and leaning back as if they were windsurfing (SUCH a good look.. not) whilst bobbing the head up and down as you were agreeing with Jeremy Vine. That's why I can't stand watching dressage these days.

I mean how many people know the name 'Oliveira'?

Ollie who??? I mean, if you've heard of him, you MUST be OLD (or you can read).

Just look in the tack shop next time you go in, martingales, gags, cranks, pessoas... all by the rack-full next to the bling and lime green sheepskin.

The lowering of the quarters preliminary to lifting of the forehand??? Pah - sod that......... G-Clamp the mouth shut, then, rachet it's chin to it's chest for "roughly" 5 mins and you get a red rosette!!!!!

Do something with your legs/body? They are just there to show off my swanky new Lizard Skin boots.

Aaanyway, soz, went off on a tangent there didn't I.
 
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daffy44 said:
I dont usually comment on things like this, but when someone says a horse is "finished" dressagewise at the age of five, and is no longer a youngster at this age....... Wow, what a frightening perspective!
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Aaaand THIS is why you don't see horsemanship in the mainstream. People who follow the art have practically just started a horse at 5 (correctly).

Hyperflexion gets you places :rolleyes: much quicker. It's like racing but on the spot! :D
 
ShowjumpingPrincess said:
i can't use the internet on my phone (costs a fortune) and the pictures of me riding are on my phone sorry :)
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Simple, transfer the pics from your phone to your pc. You can do this via your phones cable ( for modern phones thats the same cable you charge it with) or you can do it via bluetooth :)

If you cant work hom pm me and ill go through it with you. Getting pics from one device to another, and uploading online is something handy to know :)

Edit - or if your just shy, just say!
 
alainax said:
Simple, transfer the pics from your phone to your pc. You can do this via your phones cable ( for modern phones thats the same cable you charge it with) or you can do it via bluetooth :)

If you cant work hom pm me and ill go through it with you. Getting pics from one device to another, and uploading online is something handy to know :)

Edit - or if your just shy, just say!
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how do i connect my charger to my computer?
 
Well, 13 or not, the op sure knows how to get a good debate going!
Very interesting reading I must say.
 
ShowjumpingPrincess said:
samsung galaxy ace
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Wonderful, grab your charger, should look like this -

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The detach the micro usb to usb connecter from it, like so -
(pic isnt exact same, but google isnt being helpful on the images :p )
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Plug the micro usb part into the phone, and the usb part into the pc. Voila. The phone will connect as a mass storage device.


Most modern phones come with this set up, as otherwise they have to provide you with 2 cables. So if you for what ever reason find a phone thats charger cable doesnt come away to connect to usb, then chances are there is another cable to go with the phone ;)
 
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