RSPCA asking for urgent donations yet in court case against the Heythrop?

The RSPCA is now basically considered a prosecuting agency, much along the lines of how the Environment Agency might be. However the latter is publicly funded and not a charity. This is obviously the direction that the RSPCA wishes to go in, and to emphasise. It does seem rather piecemeal in some of the more headline grabbing type actions it decides to pursue, and of course it is not required to operate from a position of neutrality like the CPS.

It also seems unwise to encourage the taking over of animal welfare related prosecutions from the CPS, which is perfectly well set up to bring them itself. You wouldn't, for example, want things to get to the state where the CPS declines on budget or public interest grounds to prosecute anything animal related as the RSPCA is seen as the body to do the job, as the RSPCA is not neutral and is not monitored and audited as a public body.

The RSPCA also brings a surprising number of civil cases. Gill v RSPCA in 2010 being one of the better known, where it challenged a finding of undue influence in relation to a will made out in its favour. The RSPCA lost at first instance and at appeal. These sort of civil actions which reach the higher courts certainly don't come cheap.
 
EAST KENT said:
The Dog`S Trust offers free neutering vouchers for staffies in rotating areas,so that dogs coming out of,say Croydon,in rescue or not ,can be neutered at no cost beyond fuel of getting to the vet.They operate a NO KILL policy on healthy dogs. `Nuff said really.And NO they are NOT political.
In fact they operate exactly as a charity should do,purely for the welfare of rescue dogs,no other agenda. The rspca has gathered a Hell of a lot of bad feeling ,especially among country folk and farmers,no charity can afford that
to happen;they ignored that rule and now want to raise funds to do a prosecution ,for God`s sake,that money would be better employed running their animal welfare facilities properly and with more compassion than as of the present.
Over the years we have had five or more rspca visits,each one a malicious phone call result.I strongly resent the fact they bluff Right of Entry,and the fact just how very ignorant the inspectors are. Next time they will be refused entry,we have all our animals in great condition and accommadation and have nothing to hide whatsoever,but little ignorant Hitlers best keep away .
It has a Hell of a long road to getting it`s respect back,and this latest stunt is just another nail in the coffin.
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Right, just to set everyone straight on a particular misconception which keeps popping up.

RSPCA rehoming shelters and branches are SEPARATE charities which take on the RSPCA name. They are run SEPARATELY to the national society and run by their OWN rules, not that of the national society.
 
EAST KENT said:
The Dog`S Trust offers free neutering vouchers for staffies in rotating areas,so that dogs coming out of,say Croydon,in rescue or not ,can be neutered at no cost beyond fuel of getting to the vet.They operate a NO KILL policy on healthy dogs. `Nuff said really.And NO they are NOT political.
In fact they operate exactly as a charity should do,purely for the welfare of rescue dogs,no other agenda. The rspca has gathered a Hell of a lot of bad feeling ,especially among country folk and farmers,no charity can afford that
to happen;they ignored that rule and now want to raise funds to do a prosecution ,for God`s sake,that money would be better employed running their animal welfare facilities properly and with more compassion than as of the present.
Over the years we have had five or more rspca visits,each one a malicious phone call result.I strongly resent the fact they bluff Right of Entry,and the fact just how very ignorant the inspectors are. Next time they will be refused entry,we have all our animals in great condition and accommadation and have nothing to hide whatsoever,but little ignorant Hitlers best keep away .
It has a Hell of a long road to getting it`s respect back,and this latest stunt is just another nail in the coffin.
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You do also realise that certain charities which 'never put a healthy animal to sleep' quite often have said animals sitting in kennels going stir crazy for years on end? Some end their days in there. Personally I don't think that is an effective welfare tool.
 
Moomin1 said:
Right, just to set everyone straight on a particular misconception which keeps popping up.

RSPCA rehoming shelters and branches are SEPARATE charities which take on the RSPCA name. They are run SEPARATELY to the national society and run by their OWN rules, not that of the national society.
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Indeed, so anyone who is against the RSPCA because of their lobbying for law changes, for their stance on hunting, or for the simple fact you don't like them enforcing animal welfare. Don't rule out supporting your local RSPCA BRANCH who is an independant charity, in charge of it's own fund raising. They pay for the vets bills of stray animals, rehome unwanted, abused and neglected animals, assist where possible with vet bills for those who cannot afford it. Do neutering of cats and assisted neutering of dogs, etc etc. Here your money will go straight to the animals, not the national rspca who pay for the prosecutions, boarding of case animals, field staff to attend the complaints and collections of sick and injured animals, emergency vet attention for all animals without an owner, vet fees of case animals etc etc etc etc...........
 
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EAST KENT said:
The Dog`S Trust offers free neutering vouchers for staffies in rotating areas,so that dogs coming out of,say Croydon,in rescue or not ,can be neutered at no cost beyond fuel of getting to the vet.They operate a NO KILL policy on healthy dogs. `Nuff said really.And NO they are NOT political.
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And what do you suppose they do with the dogs that cannot be rehomed through temperamental or otherwise reasons????? Not take them in in the first place, therefore passing the buck to someone else? Take them in and keep them in kennels for life????
 
Freddie19 said:
How dare they spend money on pursuing cases against hunts, when, out there, animals are being subjected to savage cruelty, in this, suppposedly humane country. I feel for the guys and girls of the RSPCA on the ground, how must they feel, watching the guys in suits ruin the good, christian, honest name of the ROYAL SOCIETY FOR THE PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. I would also suggest that if the government can relieve Sir Fred Goodwin of his title, they should suggest that the society loses its Royal title. I bet her Majesty would be up for this.
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Because maybe some people feel that hunting is 'savage cruelty' and that as a 'humane country' it should not be allowed, any more than mistreating any other an animal, wild or domestic', should be allowed?

I'm sure that if Her Majesty wanted to have the Royal prefix removed she could do so. And why would the government want it removed?

Lastly...'christian'? When has this ever been a religious issue?
 
Marmalde76, It was ever in the H/H or the Daily Telegraph that an MEP/MP who stated they had broken their Charity status and that it had been brought to the attention of the Charity Body, who was going to investigate.
 
1life said:
Because maybe some people feel that hunting is 'savage cruelty' and that as a 'humane country' it should not be allowed, any more than mistreating any other an animal, wild or domestic', should be allowed?

I'm sure that if Her Majesty wanted to have the Royal prefix removed she could do so. And why would the government want it removed?

Lastly...'christian'? When has this ever been a religious issue?
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I will deal with last point first, christian....treating all with respect and not wanting to hurt anyone - my OH is a christian although apart from weddings/funerals/christenings he has not been to church for some time, big difference between christian and religious, well in my eyes anyway. secondly would you rather be shot/snared/gassed/beaten to death or die quickly matter of opinion. We are soon going to be faced with an "urban fox" problem its building up already. The badger cull, marksmen go to badger dens/ do they really think that they are going to shoot dead all the badgers what happens to the ones who get away injured? RSPCA have, in my view lost their way, they need to go back to what they did best, saving abused animals. Not getting caught up in political agendas. Sorry if I have offended anyone, its the way I feel. I do have first hand knowledge of the new modern RSPCA and I personally do not like it.
 
My solicitor told me if I leave the RSPCA a lump sum in my will they (rspca) would look after my pets after I die.

I said I'd rather pre pay the vet to put my animals down thanks.
 
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Marmalde76, It was ever in the H/H or the Daily Telegraph that an MEP/MP who stated they had broken their Charity status and that it had been brought to the attention of the Charity Body, who was going to investigate.
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Would that be Roger Helmer MEP ? Look at his track record, that's the laugh of the evening.
 
Freddie19 said:
I will deal with last point first, christian....treating all with respect and not wanting to hurt anyone..

...secondly would you rather be shot/snared/gassed/beaten to death or die quickly matter of opinion.

...We are soon going to be faced with an "urban fox" problem its building up already.
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But you can't use the 'christian' meaning when you want to and then not apply it to all living things, surely? i.e. treating all living things with respect.

I would rather not be shot/snared/gassed/beaten to death or die quickly.

You probably have the facts about the urban fox (I assume) but when did you last see a hunt operating in town?
 
competitiondiva said:
Luci please state fact, not fiction do I really need to put up a link to the rspca pet search for u to see how many staffi's and crosses are in rspca shelters.... Here it is for you anyway http://www.rspca.org.uk/allaboutanimals/pets/rehoming/petsearch
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I am stating facts. Kindly do not attempt to reduce my statements to hysterics. I do know what I am talking about or would not have put it on the board.

Can't find the quote about putting down dogs that are unfit for rescue. Realistically I would tend to agree but this is NOT what is happening. Dogs are being PTS due to no room in rescues and pounds. It is charities and private individuals trying to make a difference in saving and rehoming these dogs, there is no public body to pick up the pieces. Very happymto send anyone who wants it, links to some of the PTS list. It is heartbreaking. Now if the RSPCA put its weight behind indiscriminate breeding then I would support that.

And just for the record, staffies are actually a good dog to rehome as they so love human company. All mine settled in really quickly. Sadly this also means they dont always show themselves off well in kennels as it really really stresses them out.

The whole situation with dogs in rescue is much more important than focusing on a political issue. Battersea are running campaigns to show people that staffords are great little soft dogs but work needs to be done earlier.

And actually, staffords are starting to fall out of favour for huskies and malamutes...
 
1life said:
But you can't use the 'christian' meaning when you want to and then not apply it to all living things, surely? i.e. treating all living things with respect.

I would rather not be shot/snared/gassed/beaten to death or die quickly.

You probably have the facts about the urban fox (I assume) but when did you last see a hunt operating in town?
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we could get into a real, not sure what you mean, not sure what YOU mean, conversation. Thank you for your comments. I have said all I wish to say.
 
Luci07 said:
I am stating facts. Kindly do not attempt to reduce my statements to hysterics. I do know what I am talking about or would not have put it on the board.

Can't find the quote about putting down dogs that are unfit for rescue. Realistically I would tend to agree but this is NOT what is happening. Dogs are being PTS due to no room in rescues and pounds. It is charities and private individuals trying to make a difference in saving and rehoming these dogs, there is no public body to pick up the pieces. Very happymto send anyone who wants it, links to some of the PTS list. It is heartbreaking. Now if the RSPCA put its weight behind indiscriminate breeding then I would support that.

And just for the record, staffies are actually a good dog to rehome as they so love human company. All mine settled in really quickly. Sadly this also means they dont always show themselves off well in kennels as it really really stresses them out.

The whole situation with dogs in rescue is much more important than focusing on a political issue. Battersea are running campaigns to show people that staffords are great little soft dogs but work needs to be done earlier.

And actually, staffords are starting to fall out of favour for huskies and malamutes...
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Can you explain how the RSPCA are meant to stop people from indiscriminately breeding status dogs?! One thing that you obviously don't realise is that many households where an officer visits they are offered neutering vouchers for their dogs, but of course these people are not the sort of people who will bother to take them to the vet. What do you propose the RSPCA do?!! Literally pick up every dog in every household and take them, against the owner's will (they want to breed from them to get money) to a vet, at the RSPCA's expense and time (when animals out there are being hit by cars/suffering/being starved) to get them neutered?!!

Another thing - the RSPCA used to issue Dog's Trust neutering vouchers on every visit to households with unneutered dogs. The Dog's Trust withdrew them after a while because the officer's where handing out so many that it was costing the Dog's Trust too much money.
 
About time the RSPCA spent it's funds supporting the needs of the animals in it's care rather than wasting money on a pointless court case.I have heard so many bad things about the RSPCA that i would not give them a penny.There are much better rescue centres who do great work,don't pts healthy animals and who rehabilitate them in preperation for rehoming.In my experience the RSPCA always deal with things too late.
 
Wundahorse said:
About time the RSPCA spent it's funds supporting the needs of the animals in it's care rather than wasting money on a pointless court case.I have heard so many bad things about the RSPCA that i would not give them a penny.There are much better rescue centres who do great work,don't pts healthy animals and who rehabilitate them in preperation for rehoming.In my experience the RSPCA always deal with things too late.
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Sigh. The RSPCA have behaviouralists in their branches who retrain every dog who is rehomed. I wish people would at least get the correct information before making a judgement.

As for a pointless court case - POINTLESS?!!! The law has been broken. It is not up to you to which laws are pointless and which aren't. Sorry about that. Appeal to the House of Commons if you don't agree.

As for not pts'ing healthy animals - as I have previously said - that causes more of a welfare issue in many cases - you ask a decent vet and they will not agree that it is in the animal's best interests to be sat in kennels for years on end. And believe me it happens.
 
Moomin1 said:
Sigh. The RSPCA have behaviouralists in their branches who retrain every dog who is rehomed. I wish people would at least get the correct information before making a judgement.

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I was expecting a knowing wink at the end of that paragraph. ;) Honestly now, are you being serious?

You wish others would at least get their facts straight? I'm with you on that one! ;)

Alec. :D
 
Alec Swan said:
I was expecting a knowing wink at the end of that paragraph. ;) Honestly now, are you being serious?

You wish others would at least get their facts straight? I'm with you on that one! ;)

Alec. :D
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HA HAHAA!!! You have no idea how ironic it is that you question whether I have my facts straight on this one.

Let's just say I know.
 
Moomin you must be dismayed at all the negative replies in here but if you go on any horse or dog forum the thinking is much the same. The public perception of the RSPCA is not good and most people have first hand knowledge hence the negative replies. What I want to know is what the RSPCA intend to do about it because very soon their donations which they rely on heavily will completely dry up.
 
Well u hit the nail on the head there, it is public perception created by stories of both fact and fiction, spread on public forums by both genuine people and sometimes by people who have an ulterior motive or may have even been prosecuted by them'??!
 
Oh and misconceptions! Take for instance a response I read on here where someone was anti rspca because they believed they euthanased animals by drowning them (through injecting water into their lungs) what they didn't realise was what they'd seen was an ip injection. A perfectly humane method used by vets. Yet they had openly slated rspca prior to this.
 
competitiondiva said:
Oh and misconceptions! Take for instance a response I read on here where someone was anti rspca because they believed they euthanased animals by drowning them (through injecting water into their lungs) what they didn't realise was what they'd seen was an ip injection. A perfectly humane method used by vets. Yet they had openly slated rspca prior to this.
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Ha haa!! That is cracking! Of course I suppose anyone who hasn't done or seen an IP injection won't have a clue what they are, but seriously - did they actually think that drowning would be an approved euthanasia method?!! Funny coloured water too - blue or yellow!!
 
Dobiegirl said:
Glad you can laugh about it, wont be so funny when the money dries up.
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Oh diddums - who's rattled your cage?!! Have you no sense of humour?!! I think it's quite funny that someone would be convinced that water was being injected into the lungs!!

Sorry - maybe it's just me that finds that amusing!
 
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