RSPCA asking for urgent donations yet in court case against the Heythrop?

Moomin1 said:
Oh diddums - who's rattled your cage?!! Have you no sense of humour?!! I think it's quite funny that someone would be convinced that water was being injected into the lungs!!

Sorry - maybe it's just me that finds that amusing!
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I have a great sense of humour thanks, you just come over as being very childish and do your cause no good.

The winter before last I found a very sick badger in our haybarn in broad daylight, he appeared to be uninjured but was breathing very heavily. I called the RSPCA and they came very quickly, they had quite a few attempts at killing this poor prostrate badger. The officer put the badger in a sack to take away and I asked was he not worried about the badger having TB, he asked do Badgers get TB? to which I replied yes and he said I never knew that. I asked what he was going to with the badger and he said he would take back and cremate, I asked would he be contacting Defra to see if they wanted to test the Badger. He asked what for and I replied for Tb and he said no he wouldnt be doing that.

So perhaps you would like to laugh at that because TB in Badgers has been widely known for years and is often in the news unlike ip injections as euthanesia in horses.
 
Dobiegirl said:
So perhaps you would like to laugh at that because TB in Badgers has been widely known for years and is often in the news unlike ip injections as euthanesia in horses.
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Sorry if my reply inferred ip as a method in horses, this is not the case, the poster was referring to a procedure witnessed in a kitten I believe (it was a small/medium mammal that's for sure) not a horse.

I think ear tips of dead badgers used to be sent to defra to test for tb, (can be corrected on that one if someone knows for sure) but believe Defra decided they no longer did this? Again maybe wrong, I do know that a wildlife centre I visited said any badger being released is tested.

I'm not sure how you can have a few attempts at killing a badger though? care to explain?
 
The RSPCA officer pointed the gun at his head and shot the badger, the badger continued to breathe and so he shot it again and again. Each time he shot it the badger continued to breathe. Sorry to be so graphic but you did ask, he did say if we found one again we could shoot it ourselves if it was a welfare case.

Any horses of ours that we have had to put down in the past have been sedated and then injected by our very good equine vet. What the vet gave them Ive no idea and I was merely quoting you on your earlier post and you didnt mention a kitten.
 
Dobiegirl said:
The RSPCA officer pointed the gun at his head and shot the badger, the badger continued to breathe and so he shot it again and again. Each time he shot it the badger continued to breathe. Sorry to be so graphic but you did ask, he did say if we found one again we could shoot it ourselves if it was a welfare case.

Any horses of ours that we have had to put down in the past have been sedated and then injected by our very good equine vet. What the vet gave them Ive no idea and I was merely quoting you on your earlier post and you didnt mention a kitten.
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As I said, I was sorry if my reply mislead you to thinking the ip injection refered to a horse, as I did not state what animal in my reply, but made the assumption that as I said it was a recognised humane method used by vets that it would be obvious I was not talking about a horse, sorry for making this assumption.

Regarding your experience with the badger, please report the person to the RSPCA headquarters, it sounds like the person was not up to using the equipement and needs re-training.
 
Not to mention the fact that he knew naf all about TB in badgers and I would question the fact as to how much actual training he received.

Dosnt do the RSPCA any favours does it.
 
Actually it always amazes me how uninformed the inspectors are; years ago now they were called about some extremely ribby in foal pony mares..they advised feeding.OK,but they were quite satisfied with some wheat straw being thrown down,not exactly a decent build up diet for in foal mares..but apparently sufficent to appease them.
 
Just to point out also, for those people saying that funds should go to live export etc etc, that in the past few months, RSPCA officers attended Ramsgate after a meeting between Compassion in World Farming and Thanet Council, which secured permission to allow vets and RSPCA inspectors to monitor calves being exported for slaughter. The result was that all port facilities and boats were inspected, inspectors actually travelled on board with the animals cross-channel, and between the police and Animal Health ensured welfare standards were met. During this time welfare notices were given and improvements were made.
 
Moomin1 said:
Just to point out also, for those people saying that funds should go to live export etc etc, that in the past few months, RSPCA officers attended Ramsgate after a meeting between Compassion in World Farming and Thanet Council, which secured permission to allow vets and RSPCA inspectors to monitor calves being exported for slaughter. The result was that all port facilities and boats were inspected, inspectors actually travelled on board with the animals cross-channel, and between the police and Animal Health ensured welfare standards were met. During this time welfare notices were given and improvements were made.
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They only went to that after the group that had started the protest got so large that they couldn't NOT go without publicly losing face.

They do NOTHING about the live exports except when there's a publicity issue such as Ramsgate.
 
Moomin1 said:
Just to point out also, for those people saying that funds should go to live export etc etc, that in the past few months, RSPCA officers attended Ramsgate after a meeting between Compassion in World Farming and Thanet Council, which secured permission to allow vets and RSPCA inspectors to monitor calves being exported for slaughter. The result was that all port facilities and boats were inspected, inspectors actually travelled on board with the animals cross-channel, and between the police and Animal Health ensured welfare standards were met. During this time welfare notices were given and improvements were made.
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I will be honest here, and hopefully without causing offence, but how you can be quit so gullible, and be taken in, by such nonsense, is beyond me. I'm staggered that anyone would give any credibility to the rspca, regardless of the subject.

One small consolation for you though, you're not alone! The powers that be, in an effort to placate the critics of the Grand National, invited the experts (:rolleyes:), the rspca in, and acted upon their advice, lowered the Aintree fences, and made matters worse!! Were it not so serious, it would be funny!

Those who are involved in the live export of calves have come to realise that if they manage to get the dubious distinction of a Seal of Approval, from the rspca, then trade can continue unhindered. The protestors will be loathe to argue with the charity, the charity will be able to claim a worthy achievement award, and the traders will continue with minimum interference.

I would also suggest Moomin1, that you look into the antics of the American version of our leading cruelty charity, because that's the way that your heros are travelling.

Alec.
 
E_K,

there was a thread about them on here, some while back, and I'm now going from memory, so may be wrong, but it involved those people in New York (?) who drive tourists about in horse drawn carriages, a horse died, the ASPCA distorted the vet's report, to the extent that the vet (an employee of the ASPCA) told them where to stick their job, it then transpired that one of the ASPCA's major benefactors happened to be a property developer, and for years had been doing his best to get his hands on the carriage drivers stabling area, and there was something of a row about it. ;)

It also turned out, from the thread on here, that the ASPCA are in part Government funded, have the right to direct prosecution, but despite the $16 million income, there were a pitifully small number of animals which received any attention what so ever.

I may not be correct in every thing, but that was the gist of it. It was an eye opener, and a hoot!! If someone could find the previous thread, I'll be happy to be corrected.

Alec.
 
Mrs B said:
Maybe it is. You do come across as a bit of a prat, TBH...
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Personally insulting someone does not make your arguement right. So far, I think many have made valid contributions to this debate trying to put their individual point across without being personal.

Bearing in mind your tagline...

“Attack the evil that is within yourself, rather than attacking the evil that is in others.”
― Confucius
 
1life said:
Personally insulting someone does not make your arguement right. So far, I think many have made valid contributions to this debate trying to put their individual point across without being personal.
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Actually, I was merely stating the obvious in response to Moomin's rather puerile post.

I think you'll find I have also made valid contributions to this debate, even if you don't agree with my point of view.

And quoting that particular Confucianism at me? Rather OTT don't you think?

In any case, I rather think I follow mine to ensure I also adhere to yours. Do you?
 
Alec Swan said:
I will be honest here, and hopefully without causing offence, but how you can be quit so gullible, and be taken in, by such nonsense, is beyond me. I'm staggered that anyone would give any credibility to the rspca, regardless of the subject.

One small consolation for you though, you're not alone! The powers that be, in an effort to placate the critics of the Grand National, invited the experts (:rolleyes:), the rspca in, and acted upon their advice, lowered the Aintree fences, and made matters worse!! Were it not so serious, it would be funny!

Those who are involved in the live export of calves have come to realise that if they manage to get the dubious distinction of a Seal of Approval, from the rspca, then trade can continue unhindered. The protestors will be loathe to argue with the charity, the charity will be able to claim a worthy achievement award, and the traders will continue with minimum interference.

I would also suggest Moomin1, that you look into the antics of the American version of our leading cruelty charity, because that's the way that your heros are travelling.

Alec.
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Mmm the rspca was responsible largely for making the National fences less daunting..result a lot of horses going faster than before,resulting in more deaths.The race should be more in line with the Par de Beche(??) rather than classed as an ordinary steeplechase in my opinion.Typical though ,total lack of understanding their subject.
Recently some cats were removed from an old couple hereabouts ,the rspca PTS immediately. A certain vet paid for an independent PM on the cats..there was absolutely nothing amiss with any of them..before they were removed as "ill treated and neglected". Watch this space:cool:
 
Mrs B said:
Actually, I was merely stating the obvious in response to Moomin's rather puerile post.

I think you'll find I have also made valid contributions to this debate, even if you don't agree with my point of view.

And quoting that particular Confucianism at me? Rather OTT don't you think?

In any case, I rather think I follow mine to ensure I also adhere to yours. Do you?
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Ah, you see this is where text lets us down - lack of intonation. Yes, many have made contributions (including yourself), as I said, and we are all entitled to our opinions...but without being labelled or name-called by others if they don't happen to agree.

No, I don't think it's OTT as I wasn't thinking of 'evil' in a traditional sense, more like looking at our own ways and weaknesses before we throw a bolt at other people.
 
Just read the other thread on the go at the moment.

Obviously not much of their money goes where the public thinks it does.

They are also employing people who have no idea of what welfare is.

Just look at the pics of that poor horse.
 
marmalade76 said:
lol! :D
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Bloomin multi quote function not working for me today, hence individual replies...

I do love these smiley face things, they help to get the correct meaning across, my reply (and then yours) would have seemed totally different without them.

BTW, Gloucester, love it!! My original neck of the woods, near Cranham. Stunning at this time of the year :).
 
I remember something form one of those animal rescue programmes. A pair of neighbours found a pair of abandoned kittens. Each neighbour took a kitten, one decided to keep theirs, the other rang the rspca and asked them to take it. After taking the first kitten, the 'inspector' took it upon herself to visit the other neighbour and bully them into handing over the other kitten. First she tried telling them the kitten desperately needed to see a vet 'cause it might be ill, then she kept on and on asking them if they were absolutely sure that they could afford to keep a cat, could they afford to have it spayed and vaccinated? Could they afford to pay the vet bills if it got injured or sick? Eventually the poor folks gave in and handed it over. The 'inspector' took both kittens to a vet who announced that both kittens were in the best possible health, not even a flea between them! They were then rehomed, no doubt for a tidy fee. All this for a kitten in no danger, yet genuine reports of neglect go ignored, like some horses both a friend and I have reported, under fed and feet neglected, they still have not been out to 'inspect' these. And people wonder why some can't stand them.
 
1life said:
Bloomin multi quote function not working for me today, hence individual replies...

I do love these smiley face things, they help to get the correct meaning across, my reply (and then yours) would have seemed totally different without them.

BTW, Gloucester, love it!! My original neck of the woods, near Cranham. Stunning at this time of the year :).
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My Dad's not far from there, lovely place.
 
1life said:
No, I don't think it's OTT as I wasn't thinking of 'evil' in a traditional sense, more like looking at our own ways and weaknesses before we throw a bolt at other people.
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I was certainly not thinking that you were linking me to Beelzebub! :D

But even taken in its less than literal sense; I constantly look at my own failings and question things. Therefore I also feel entitled to point out, having done so, when I think another is being an prat...
 
Yes totally agree, I do not support the RSPCA, there are far more charities that do a hell of alot more for needy animals :mad:
 
Mrs B said:
I was certainly not thinking that you were linking me to Beelzebub! :D

But even taken in its less than literal sense; I constantly look at my own failings and question things. Therefore I also feel entitled to point out, having done so, when I think another is being an prat...
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Crikey, I haven't heard the Beelzebub phrase for aaaaaaages. That's going to be my 'word of the week'!

As long as you can take any return shots then, of course, you may feel you are allowed to serve a few ;).
 
1life said:
Crikey, I haven't heard the Beelzebub phrase for aaaaaaages. That's going to be my 'word of the week'!

As long as you can take any return shots then, of course, you may feel you are allowed to serve a few ;).
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It's one of my favourites:D

Be my guest. If the worst I'm ever called in my life is a prat, I'll have either got off very lightly, or not been paying attention...
 
marmalade76 said:
I remember something form one of those animal rescue programmes. A pair of neighbours found a pair of abandoned kittens. Each neighbour took a kitten, one decided to keep theirs, the other rang the rspca and asked them to take it. After taking the first kitten, the 'inspector' took it upon herself to visit the other neighbour and bully them into handing over the other kitten. First she tried telling them the kitten desperately needed to see a vet 'cause it might be ill, then she kept on and on asking them if they were absolutely sure that they could afford to keep a cat, could they afford to have it spayed and vaccinated? Could they afford to pay the vet bills if it got injured or sick? Eventually the poor folks gave in and handed it over. The 'inspector' took both kittens to a vet who announced that both kittens were in the best possible health, not even a flea between them! They were then rehomed, no doubt for a tidy fee. All this for a kitten in no danger, yet genuine reports of neglect go ignored, like some horses both a friend and I have reported, under fed and feet neglected, they still have not been out to 'inspect' these. And people wonder why some can't stand them.
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As you would imagine from a programme, selective editing can sometimes distort the message, but is it so bad that the inspector ran through all the expenses of keeping a pet to check the people were capable of meeting the animals needs?

Regarding a 'tidy' fee, do you realise that all animals rehomed by RSPCA have the neutering, vaccination, microchipping, worming, defleaing paid for??? The cost of doing all this far outweighs any adoption fee.....

If you have reported neglected animals, and not had anyone attend, either it's a case of too many calls, not enough inspectors. Or maybe on describing the animals to the call centre the urgency of the conditions was not fully understood? If these animals were/are in these conditions and no one has been out, either call call and call again, or if you don't support the rspca anyway. Then call someone else..........????
 
competitiondiva said:
As you would imagine from a programme, selective editing can sometimes distort the message, but is it so bad that the inspector ran through all the expenses of keeping a pet to check the people were capable of meeting the animals needs?

FFS, it was a bloody cat! And would you be happy if an 'inspector' turned up at your place uninvited and questioned your ability to afford your animals?? They found a kitten and were happy to look after it, it was none of the rspca's business, how many times have peole been told that they can't do anything about an animal unless it's suffering? Well this one certainly wasn't, yet that 'inspector' went to a lot of trouble to get it from them.

Regarding a 'tidy' fee, do you realise that all animals rehomed by RSPCA have the neutering, vaccination, microchipping, worming, defleaing paid for??? The cost of doing all this far outweighs any adoption fee.....

This cat would have cost them nothing if they'd left it where it was.

If you have reported neglected animals, and not had anyone attend, either it's a case of too many calls, not enough inspectors. Or maybe on describing the animals to the call centre the urgency of the conditions was not fully understood?
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More than likely as the these rspca employees seem to know FA about horses!
 
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