RSPCA muddy field case update!

LouandBee said:
the RSPCA can't just enter propteries. Its not until they have enough evidence that they can invlove the police and get a warrant for the animals. I would be glad that someones showing some compassion for your horses rathter than getting upset about it - you might be grateful oneday if they spot one colicing etc....
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So you think that i should just feel greatful for the RSPCA officer taking upon himself to illegally enter my land and mess with my animals? I do not! I feel angry and insulted.

Attend sure. look over the gate gate sure. leave a note sure. talk to me on the phone sure. ask to see the property sure. GO IN MY GODDAMN FIELD WITHOUT MY PERMISSION because of some stupid stupid stupid report about F-ING MUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who doesnt have mud for crying out loud!!! to go into my field without even speaking to me on the phone?

Its idiocy. I hate this. i hate them. i hate meddlers. Its pathetic. I am entitled to hate them i have done nothing wrong and he trespassed.
 
Alphamare said:
So you think that i should just feel greatful for the RSPCA officer taking upon himself to illegally enter my land and mess with my animals? I do not! I feel angry and insulted.

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I would very much doubt that he messed with your horses, With all respect you fail to see that they were just doing a job. so IMO you are totally over reacting.
 
Just a thought, in your last post you said you can only see 1/3 of your field, perhaps your horses were out of sight and so to check them he felt he had to enter your field?
 
Alphamare said:
So you think that i should just feel greatful for the RSPCA officer taking upon himself to illegally enter my land and mess with my animals? I do not! I feel angry and insulted.

Attend sure. look over the gate gate sure. leave a note sure. talk to me on the phone sure. ask to see the property sure. GO IN MY GODDAMN FIELD WITHOUT MY PERMISSION because of some stupid stupid stupid report about F-ING MUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who doesnt have mud for crying out loud!!! to go into my field without even speaking to me on the phone?

Its idiocy. I hate this. i hate them. i hate meddlers. Its pathetic. I am entitled to hate them i have done nothing wrong and he trespassed.
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I think you are missing the bigger picture here in that these people are here to PROTECT ANIMALS not to dilly dally around owners sensibilities. Had this inspector gone to look at your property and seen your mare with her leg "blown" from blatting around in the mud or trapped in the fencing what would you have expected him to do then, illegally enter your land and try to help her, or leave you a voicemail for you to deal with when you picked it up. Agree with the other poster in that you seem to be completely over reacting to this, you are sounding like my 6 year old neice when she cant get her own way.
 
I would rather they look, be satisfied and close the case rather than not bother and potentially leave an animal suffering.
 
aro said:
I would rather they look, be satisfied and close the case rather than not bother and potentially leave an animal suffering.
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Absolutely this - please don't take this incident personally. I know of loads of people who have been reported for "starving" lamanitic ponies on bare patches of land.

We should all (as horse lovers) welcome their attention, if they did not do their job where would all the rescued animals be now - ceratinly not in a nice place. If the RSPCA had to call the police every time there was a reported incident they would never get anything done and loads of police time would be wasted.

Take a chill pill, and take some pleasure in the fact that the officer was happy with your stable management skills. It is not his fault that a busy body felt the need to report you.
 
OP, all this talk of hate and anger! It's sorted now, let it go. You will end up giving yourself a heart attack!:eek:

Glad it's sorted now. :)
 
Allover said:
I think you are missing the bigger picture here in that these people are here to PROTECT ANIMALS not to dilly dally around owners sensibilities. Had this inspector gone to look at your property and seen your mare with her leg "blown" from blatting around in the mud or trapped in the fencing what would you have expected him to do then, illegally enter your land and try to help her, or leave you a voicemail for you to deal with when you picked it up. Agree with the other poster in that you seem to be completely over reacting to this, you are sounding like my 6 year old neice when she cant get her own way.
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Agree with this, sorry.

I'd much rather someone walked through my fields to help my animals - I'd do it if I saw something in trouble without even thinking about it.

If people report them for something like this, which like it or not, is nothing serious - no gates or fences were broken, nothing was hurt..., then there will come a time when all these horses that have been pulled out of canals and bogs in freezing weather lately will be left to die because "nobody is allowed to touch them until the owner has been found", and it will be our own fault.

If the outcome was that they thought that your horses are fine, then whats your problem - you've been proven right? I hope that you never find out who reported you, they were probably someone who didn't know about horses, but thought they were doing the right thing. Now they've heard from the RSPCA that the horses were fine you probably won't have any more trouble - UNLESS you go round shouting and screaming and being aggressive - then you'll get yourself reported to the police... Let it go and move on?
 
Lest face it, what he should have done,leave a note saying he'd been called out, checked horses and that he found them in a good state and leave his number and best time to catch him in the office if you wanted to go in to detail of the complaint, must admit they always come over as bullies, maybe I watch to much of 24/7 on BBC1 and have dealt with them many years ago and I agree left me so angry and disgusted with them, have never suported them since.
 
OP there are much worse things that could happen in life to you or your horses. You have known all along that your horses are fine which is the important thing. As many of us said though it is better that people are bothered and another Jamie Gray/Amersham doesn't happen again than people look the other way if they think there is a problem.

For everyone like you, I and the other HHO'ers who look after our horses properly there are sadly others that don't enjoy the same kind of treatment. They can't speak for themselves so people speak for them. Sometimes misguided as in whoever reported you but sometimes not.

Be grateful for having happy healthy horses in your life. Hate and anger is a big burden to carry around.
 
Personnally, I feel as though this has been turned into something massive- RSPCA were called- did their job and turned up, said everything was fine end of story. Their damned if they do and damned if they dont. Tresspass isnt a criminal offence anyway. I'd leave it at that. It was a happy ending.
 
Sorry but the RSPCA did not do their job, the inspector has told a direct lie to the OP, he and many of his colleauges use these bullying tactics and pretend that they have legal powers which they do not have. :eek:
He would have the right to apply to the court for a warrant to enter the property, if he had sufficient evidence of neglect and/pr cruelty, would all thse people who think it is fine for the RSPCA to enter private property when it is a field, hold the same view if it was their house? Where would we draw the line, they could enter the downstairs living area, the bedrooms, the bathroom in their search for animals? This sounds silly and I am sure most readers would say that was ridiculous, but that is why we have laws about who can enter private property. A warrant can be obtained if evidence is supplied to the court and the court believes that the situation is such that action should be taken. Before a warrant can be obtained to ensure that someone who is believed to be mentally ill can be assessed, the AMHP (who is warranted by the Dept of Justice) the AMHP must demonstrate that persistant efforts have been made to make contact with that person. This is how it should be, no one should have their privacy invaded on the whim of someone with no statutory powers (or those with them, if it comes to that) There are processess in place to deal with these situations and if I were the OP I would be making an official complaint about this employee of the RSPCA
 
FFS, why are you complaining about the RSPCA going on your property? The more people who complain, the harder it is for them to investigate real cases of cruelty. I would not mind ifthe RSPCA entered my property without my say so. They need all the help they can get.
 
Complain Complain Complain!! he DOES NOT have right of entry, the RSPCA are as much use as a chocolate tea pot, happy to stick their noses in where its not needed but dither about like right Nellie's when a horse in really in trouble!!
 
Yeah but it's because people complain so much that they sometimes dither. If everyone always cooperated, there wouldn't be half the problem.
 
YorksG said:
Sorry but the RSPCA did not do their job, the inspector has told a direct lie to the OP, he and many of his colleauges use these bullying tactics and pretend that they have legal powers which they do not have. :eek:
He would have the right to apply to the court for a warrant to enter the property, if he had sufficient evidence of neglect and/pr cruelty, would all thse people who think it is fine for the RSPCA to enter private property when it is a field, hold the same view if it was their house? Where would we draw the line, they could enter the downstairs living area, the bedrooms, the bathroom in their search for animals? This sounds silly and I am sure most readers would say that was ridiculous, but that is why we have laws about who can enter private property. A warrant can be obtained if evidence is supplied to the court and the court believes that the situation is such that action should be taken. Before a warrant can be obtained to ensure that someone who is believed to be mentally ill can be assessed, the AMHP (who is warranted by the Dept of Justice) the AMHP must demonstrate that persistant efforts have been made to make contact with that person. This is how it should be, no one should have their privacy invaded on the whim of someone with no statutory powers (or those with them, if it comes to that) There are processess in place to deal with these situations and if I were the OP I would be making an official complaint about this employee of the RSPCA
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I wouldn't have any problem them entering my house either. Those with nothing to hide should have no problem at all.
 
I would now leave well alone, so he walked across your fields, fair play to hi it has safed the society a bit of money, in the fact that he does not now have to drive all the way bak out to meet you and walk the field.
Just be happy he was pleased with the horses and closed the case
 
Totally agree. In fact it makes me really angry when people take the 'violated' attitude. Try being in the house alone and having a burglar walk into your bedroom, like I did. Now THAT is violated. Why do people want to make trouble for people just trying to look out for animals?
 
The spurious argument about if you have nothing to hide you should allow people entry to your home annoys me hugely! If some people should have the right to enter your property without your permission who would you draw the line at? Private utility companies? the council tax assessors? Social workers? Health workers? your neighbour? All potentially on the say so of someone who has malicious intent. There are legal procedures which allow people access to your property, if they can provide evidence of potential wrong doing then they get enty, with police officers in attendance, which is as it should be. These are hard won rights, which should be upheld imo. The RSPCA are not a statutory body and should not be claiming rights of entry which they do not have. I am actually very concerned that this inspector has said that he does have this right.
 
While I dont think the RSPCA is the best at responding to 'actual' animals in need sometimes, if they turned up to look at mine I would happily show them how well they are cared for - I would then be P***ed off at the person who contacted them. The RSPCA are only doing their job at the end of the day.
Granted, if they entered my property without permission I would be annoyed, but I have nothing to hide, so why be so defensive?

As may others have said, what if your horses were the ones that were actually badly neglected, would you then critisise them for NOT doing something?
 
YorkG Legal procedures often allow criminals or abusers to hide the evidence. I think social workers or animal welfare officers should have less red tape to deal with. The others you mentioned can whistle. For goodness sake it's just a field.
 
*Sigh* why would the OP want to cause trouble and expense for herself? So he went onto her land without a police escort or a warrant. He phoned the OP and told her that he had checked her horses and said he had no problems with anything he saw. Let it rest I say.
 
Spring Feather said:
*Sigh* why would the OP want to cause trouble and expense for herself? So he went onto her land without a police escort or a warrant. He phoned the OP and told her that he had checked her horses and said he had no problems with anything he saw. Let it rest I say.
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This is what I dont get, If it was my horses, I would be pleased they were happy and closing the case. If you have nothing to hide why get worked up???
I wouldnt be happy I had the RSPCA checking my horses full stop but I would rather they popped into the field without the whole police escort.... what a waste of police time.
 
TBH I would be glad the RSPCA were out there, doing their jobs, looking out for animals.

The fact that you know your horses are ok has no bearing on the situation, and I don't really see why you are taking it so personally. Your field is muddy, it has happened to most during winter, but the neighbour was concerned and thought better safe than sorry. Unless you think this neighbour actually knows you and the quality of care your animals get, I would just be glad that people round me cared enough to file the report.

In most situations, it wouldnt be particularly bothering that the officer trespassed. It meant he could clear up the case straight away, saving the charity time and money, and meaning you didnt have any worry about what their findings might be until another visit could be arranged. I very much doubt you would be liable for any damage your horse might do to him. Insofar as their trespass consists of entering a field without causing damage to look at reported animals, I would much prefer that they break the law at this stage to make a preliminary assessment, than that they are so tied up in red tape that a genuinely at risk animal suffers because of it.

However, in your situation, if a person just walking into the field and looking at your horses could cause damage, I can see why you are concerned. Have you considered putting a note on the gate etc. advising of the danger? It is far more likely that curious kids are going to vault the gate to talk to the horses and cause panic than the inspector would. If he had ignored a warning about the danger and still trespassed, I think you would have a much more reasonable basis for complaint.
 
Wagtail I still disagree, I am aware of people hiding the evidence, I am in fact a social worker and I do not believe that we should have fewer legal hoops to jump through (less beaurocracy to go through, but that is a different story). If we do not like the laws as they stand then we should campain to get them changed, not ignore the ones we do not like, as the RSPCA 'officer' has done in this case.
 
Wagtail said:
Yeah but it's because people complain so much that they sometimes dither. If everyone always cooperated, there wouldn't be half the problem.
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It is illegal to enter a property without permission and therefore they have broken the law, i know of more than one farmer that chases trespassers with a shot gun and will happily fire at them and i don't think either of them would treat an rspca person any differently, if its not your property or you don't have permission then you don't step foot on or in it, simple really. If the rspca stuck to the law then they wouldn't be complained about half as much, also simple.
 
stroppy said:
It is illegal to enter a property without permission and therefore they have broken the law, i know of more than one farmer that chases trespassers with a shot gun and will happily fire at them and i don't think either of them would treat an rspca person any differently, if its not your property or you don't have permission then you don't step foot on or in it, simple really. If the rspca stuck to the law then they wouldn't be complained about half as much, also simple.
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Well I hope that farmer stops to see why they were trespassing first, could it be someone was actually freeing one of his sheep from brambles etc???? and chasing and shooting with a shot gun..... mmmmmmm I think that might be illegal!! One thing if he felt threatened for his life if someone was breaking and entering into his house etc, but someone walking across his land, I cannot see how on earth he could argue that his life was at risk!!!!!!!
 
I said this in the last post.
Why are you so bothered and making such a big deal about this?

Yes it must be shocking that someone reported you but as you look after your horses what do you have to worry about?

You invite them in and show then round have a good (and polite chat) and the inspector will then realize this.

Yeah normally you wouldnt want anyone trespassing but considering who it was let this one go.

I would happily show my horses to anyone as i know they are happy and healthy and well looked after.

You seem so defensive when there isnt any need.
 
YorksG said:
Wagtail I still disagree, I am aware of people hiding the evidence, I am in fact a social worker and I do not believe that we should have fewer legal hoops to jump through (less beaurocracy to go through, but that is a different story). If we do not like the laws as they stand then we should campain to get them changed, not ignore the ones we do not like, as the RSPCA 'officer' has done in this case.
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I wonder how many children could be saved from abuse if social workers could just enter a property whenever they had a gut feeling that something was wrong?

Children and animals need immediate action not someone going back to the office and the 'case' waiting in a queue until all the i's have been dotted and t's been crossed.
 
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