RSPCA originally formed by pro hunt Conservative MP

[Hunters]

Not too many idiots on here, merely those that may have to agree to disagree..

 

[SarahColeman]

That is exactly what happened. Trevor Morse wanted to photograph the pilot so he could be identified - to accompany a complaint to the CAA about the gyrocopter's constant low flying which was scaring horses!

Which bit don't you understand??

As you are an expert on this issue perhaps you could explain why you claim Morse needed to identify the pilot given that Morse already knew his identity,possessed the pilots full details and had them in the vehicle he drove to the airfield?

 

[JanetGeorge]

As you are an expert on this issue perhaps you could explain why you claim Morse needed to identify the pilot given that Morse already knew his identity,possessed the pilots full details and had them in the vehicle he drove to the airfield?

Complaints had previously been made about a number of incidents. But for each NEW complaint about NEW incidents, you HAVE to be able to 'identify' the pilot was who you could ASSUME it to be. It might have been a different pilot (or a different gyrocopter) on that particular day - hard to tell when you're on the ground and it's 500 feet or more above you!

 

[Alec Swan]

As you are an expert on this issue perhaps you could explain why you claim Morse needed to identify the pilot given that Morse already knew his identity,possessed the pilots full details and had them in the vehicle he drove to the airfield?

Complaints had previously been made about a number of incidents. But for each NEW complaint about NEW incidents, you HAVE to be able to 'identify' the pilot was who you could ASSUME it to be. It might have been a different pilot (or a different gyrocopter) on that particular day - hard to tell when you're on the ground and it's 500 feet or more above you!

And furthermore, every individual crime will need specific and individual evidence, to support a prosecution. Providing that, unlike the evidence so often offered by the anti, that the evidence hasn't been adulterated, then the camera is the most reliable of allies! Trevor Morse was gathering such evidence, before the person who unlawfully killed him fled the scene.

Alec.

 

[Hunters]

I find the attacks on Trevor Morse most disturbing given the man is dead & therefore cannot defend himself.

Thank goodness The Warwickshire hunt continue as normal (although today cancelled due to ground conditions)

 

[lastchancer]

Sorry to drag this thread up again but...
The idea of transporting and injecting a live/wild/wriggling/biting squirrel instead of just dispatching it there and then - just pmsl.
That is all.

 

[fburton]

Stunning blow to the head and cervical dislocation would be more humane than attempting to inject barbiturates, I'd have thought.

 

[JanetGeorge]

Stunning blow to the head and cervical dislocation would be more humane than attempting to inject barbiturates, I'd have thought.

But you CAN'T do that to an anti - no matter how tempting!





(Whoops - just spotted you were talking about a tree rat!)

 

[Alec Swan]

Sorry to drag this thread up again but...
The idea of transporting and injecting a live/wild/wriggling/biting squirrel instead of just dispatching it there and then - just pmsl.
That is all.

I don't think that you quite understand; those who would have the wild animal taken to a vet for an ostensibly humane euthanasia, don't actually have any interest in the well being of the animal itself. Their primary interest is in their own control of others. The living creature's stress levels are of no importance, what so ever.

Alec.

ps. The other point which you need to grasp, is that they are congenital idiots, all of them. a.

 

[Moomin1]

I don't think that you quite understand; those who would have the wild animal taken to a vet for an ostensibly humane euthanasia, don't actually have any interest in the well being of the animal itself. Their primary interest is in their own control of others. The living creature's stress levels are of no importance, what so ever.

Alec.

ps. The other point which you need to grasp, is that they are congenital idiots, all of them. a.

Of course, given your extensive knowledge of every matter in the entire universe 'alec', I assume you must realise that RSPCA inspectors are trained to euthanase animals themselves, on scene?

 

[Hunters]

That may be so, but are they trained in common sense? :-D

 

[Alec Swan]

Of course, given your extensive knowledge of every matter in the entire universe 'alec', I assume you must realise that RSPCA inspectors are trained to euthanase animals themselves, on scene?

That's excellent news, so every time that anyone has a squirrel, alive in a trap, they're to call out one of your inspectors are they?

Just a tip for you, if you took the time to consider your responses, before you set them out in print, then perhaps they'd make sense!

Alec.

 

[fburton]

But you CAN'T do that to an anti - no matter how tempting!

Oh dear, JG - you are naughty!

 

[fburton]

Of course, given your extensive knowledge of every matter in the entire universe 'alec', I assume you must realise that RSPCA inspectors are trained to euthanase animals themselves, on scene?

So do you know if the preferred euthanasia method for rodents is anaesthetic overdose or concussion with neck dislocation (or simply dislocation if the animal is small enough)? Having experience with both, I imagine that a wild, frightened squirrel would be better dispatched using the latter method. Intraperitoneal injection isn't particularly quick and intracardiac is discouraged by the Home Office Animal Procedures Committee.

 

[Alec Swan]

fburton, I suspect that you may well be waisting your breath, and your efforts too!!

It seems that Moomin1 doesn't care for being doubted or questioned, and their short answer is to attempt rather puerile insults!!

I've suggested that thinking their argument through, in a logical fashion may help them form sensible and cogent points, but apparently not! Were he or she to do so, then their points may make sense, and/or, be worthy of further thought.

Alec.

 

[fburton]

That's excellent news, so every time that anyone has a squirrel, alive in a trap, they're to call out one of your inspectors are they?

Related question... Are members of the public who aren't licensed vets allowed to dispatch squirrels by hand? Can it be that hard to do humanely?

I was hoping for some feedback from Moomin1.

 

[Alec Swan]

Related question... Are members of the public who aren't licensed vets allowed to dispatch squirrels by hand? Can it be that hard to do humanely?

I was hoping for some feedback from Moomin1.

There is no license needed, to kill a squirrel. I'm not too sure what you mean by "By Hand". If you mean literally, handling the creature and killing it with one's hands, then it would be cruel, in the extreme. The most humane system would be to shoot it through the bars of the cage, but there will be the idiot sector who want the poor creature to suffer from the stress of being contained, transported and then handled, because that's what another idiot told them that they should do!

Alec.

 

[JanetGeorge]

There is no license needed, to kill a squirrel. I'm not too sure what you mean by "By Hand". If you mean literally, handling the creature and killing it with one's hands, then it would be cruel, in the extreme.

Why on EARTH would it be cruel to dislocate the neck of a squirrel - assuming you found it alive but unable to run away? Obviously if it was trapped in a cage, shooting it would be best assuming you had a suitable firearm.

 

[Alec Swan]

Why on EARTH would it be cruel to dislocate the neck of a squirrel - ........

Have you ever tried handling a wild and adult squirrel? Have you seen their fearsome incisor teeth? Dislocating the neck would call for a degree of dexterity that few posses, I suspect. To prevent oneself from being badly bitten, then clumsy gloves would be the only way, and that would be crude. Shooting them in the cage would be the only humane and sensible answer, I think. There'd be no need for a firearm, as a suitable air rifle would work a treat.

An otherwise delightful and elderly lady who I knew, when she had a squirrel in a cage trap, would attach a piece of string to the trap, and dump it in a water butt, and retire for a cup of tea. I never have, and never will view drowning as a suitable method of humane destruction. Each to their own, as they say!

Alec.

 

[JanetGeorge]

Have you ever tried handling a wild and adult squirrel? Have you seen their fearsome incisor teeth? Dislocating the neck would call for a degree of dexterity that few posses, I suspect. To prevent oneself from being badly bitten, then clumsy gloves would be the only way, and that would be crude. Shooting them in the cage would be the only humane and sensible answer, I think. There'd be no need for a firearm, as a suitable air rifle would work a treat.

Lots of us don't own air rifles, Alec. And I would only want to kill a tree rat if I found it badly injured - or ill and obviously dying - in which case it wouldn't be too wild for me to put my foot on its neck (to immobilise), grab its back legs and pull hard and twist!

 

[Alec Swan]

Lots of us don't own air rifles, Alec. And I would only want to kill a tree rat if I found it badly injured - or ill and obviously dying - in which case it wouldn't be too wild for me to put my foot on its neck (to immobilise), grab its back legs and pull hard and twist!

It would be preferred if those who set traps, for any wildlife, had the ability and if necessary, the tools, to bring about a painless dispatch. Setting live catch traps, and claiming to break the neck, of a live squirrel, isn't being either realistic, or responsible.

Alec.