RSPCA powers

Moomin1 said:
The RSPCA can and do privately prosecute. Yes, they have no powers afforded to them, but you or I could act under the law and take a private prosecution with Joe Bloggs down the road who battered his pooch to death.
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The difference is that the RSPCA has the financial means to pursue prosecutions whereas members of the public don't generally speaking.

Moomin1 said:
However, YorksG also hasn't mentioned that quite often PACE Section 17 (power of entry) and Section 19 (Seizure) can and are used by police on RSPCA request in order to remove animals. In this case, no vet is needed whatsoever.
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Another difference, then, is that the police are more likely to act on requests from the RSPCA than on requests from members of the public?

Given these differences, I think it is fair to say that the RSPCA's "powers" -- in the sense of capabilities rather than legal rights, of course -- are considerably more than what you or I have.

marmalade76 said:
They have no more power than you or I.
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So this is debatable.
 
Pools mum, the RSPCA do not execute their own warrants, they ask police to get warrants for them, and the RSPCA officer is named on that warrant.
 
Moomin1 said:
Pools mum, the RSPCA do not execute their own warrants, they ask police to get warrants for them, and the RSPCA officer is named on that warrant.
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Moomin1 - that isn't quite correct, they get their own warrants, the presence of the police is only to prevent a breach of the peace (they attend at the request of the RSPCA)

It's one of the 'tricks of the hand' that the RSPCA play - if 2 people 1 RSPCA and 1 police turn up and hand you a warrant people assume it;s from the police - often it is not. Most commonly the RSPCA seeks their own warrant.
 
I'm afraid it is correct! The police get the officer named on a warrant, along with any vet or other person who may be required to attend.
 
Polos Mum said:
Moomin1 - that isn't quite correct, they get their own warrants, the presence of the police is only to prevent a breach of the peace (they attend at the request of the RSPCA)

It's one of the 'tricks of the hand' that the RSPCA play - if 2 people 1 RSPCA and 1 police turn up and hand you a warrant people assume it;s from the police - often it is not. Most commonly the RSPCA seeks their own warrant.
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Spot on ^
 
im person along with a friend being accused of neglect , people that are friends of my friend i share with know whose ponies they are, well didnt know 2 were mine and have reported us based on the fact they dont see us feeding the ponies when they walk the dogs or when neighbouring yard do their ponies . we hard feed the ponies early morning, friend check on them different times in day and then i or my partner check or when needed feed small bales in hay feeder between 6-9 pm . they have big bales of hay in round feeder when a gap between delivery ...i cant get round bale in jeep!! we take bales down and put in feeder they have a small bale of hay a day between 3 12hh youngsters ! they have full water trough and a field shelter and they are all rugged up . if weather bad we do pop down late at night to make sure they are ok too. we are still being accused even though hay water rugs can clearly be seen and people want to physically see us feed the ponies ! ive approached rspca straight away and they have details of my vet, farrier (ones feet are long and need doing , ive been trying to get farrier to them and have full proof of this via text messages etc ive changed farrier as sick of waiting and they will done this week along with the other 2 feet are fine ) they are vaccinated wormed reg and are correct weightfor their age and height you cannot see feel ribs coat in good nick apart from bit scurfy although one ig going thru the gawky stage at moment he is 18 months old. weve had field for 3 months and vets have been down to vaccinate 2 . also farmer happy to provide details of hay hes delivered to field . so im hoping this all blows over but we think weve been reported more so to encourage us to give up field as previous tennant has issues with it from what we have been told . so just concerned on powers of rspca as need to reassure my kids they are not going to lose their ponies .
 
rspca coming monday to act on complaints received , ive requested she comes before feet done then after , ive spoken to her at length about it and more than happy for them to check whenever they see fit as ive nowt to hide if im doing something wrong then i want to know and act on it accordingly
 
Moomin1 said:
I'm afraid it is correct! The police get the officer named on a warrant, along with any vet or other person who may be required to attend.
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Perhaps the police act differently in different forces but certain in the Met (London) and Lincs police force areas the RSPCA get their own warrants and then request police attend ONLY to prevent breach of peace.

Sadly the police force is far too underfunded to spend time on getting warrants for animal welfare issues - hence the RSPCA do it themselves.
 
Michelledarling, am sure you are doing everything fine.
If your vet is happy, then YOU have no worries at all.

Unfortunately people will report others and on some occasions it does happen that the complainants are right regarding neglect issues :(

From what you say, this is probably based on 'sour grapes' rather than anything else.
Re-assure your children, chat to the RSPCA visitor, and IF there are any concerns raised at the visit, tell the RSPCA officer to speak to your vet before any further action.

Please, let us know how tomorrow goes.
 
thanks ff will do im a worrybag and dosent take alot to stress me!! im fine about rspca coming but if is based on sour grapes then wish people concerned would not waste welfare valuable time like ive said to people just cos they dont see me dosent mean im not there . i hope they dont find probs apart from feet which is being dealt with and we can prove we do not neglect our ponies far from it they are my babies ive got 6 3 ridden 3 youngsters for kids to move onto
 
If all goes well, make sure the RSPCA get this logged asap & also get them to note on file that you are potentially being harrassed (& this wasting RSPCA's time and finances by this 3rd party).
If they agree all is well, then if you wanted to, you could ask local police to log details too, just in case of future harrassment.

However, if its not a sour grapes & its genuine non-equestrian public who are worried, then I wouldn't panic; some believe that all furry things in fields should have coats on, lots of ad-lib hay and no mud ;)

After all, better that a complaint about potential neglect IS followed up eh? :)

As said before, hope it goes well for you tomorrow :)
 
couldnt agree more , ive said to rspca glad people keep eye on ponies , as so many cases get ignored . ive nothing to hide and hopefully nothing to worry about . just hope the so called friends of friend leave alone after , we will see if genuine concern not just troublemaking , i have spoken to some of people involved as one of them on my livery yard and she said oh if realised was your ponies in there wouldnt have said anything?????????? my answer was if you think they are neglected then then you should not change your view just cos you know me she is supposed to be good friend of my sharer and she knew they were her pony and thought they all were .which is why we suspect sour grapes and im getting caught up in it but we will see....... horseworld can be funny old one at best of times!!
 
Nuisance complaints are really really common the officer will be well used to complaints that are mischievous in origin .
 
have put album on profile you will see the yearling paly d and chestnut welsh b they are same condtion but longer mane and bit fluffier and the weight is on not just fur xx
 
If all your horses and ponies look like those in your pics then stop worrying - they look fine!

I'm sure the rspca will have no cause for concern and the visit will be a gesture more than anything. :)

Nuisance calls to welfare agencies really annoy me, like there isn't enough genuine cases out there already and the time nuisance calls take up must compound the issue.
 
touchstone said:
If all your horses and ponies look like those in your pics then stop worrying - they look fine!

I'm sure the rspca will have no cause for concern and the visit will be a gesture more than anything. :)

Nuisance calls to welfare agencies really annoy me, like there isn't enough genuine cases out there already and the time nuisance calls take up must compound the issue.
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It most certainly does touchstone. You wouldn't believe the amount of time wasted on malicious or misinformed calls. :(
 
Gald most of you are aware he RSPCA have diddly-squat powers, any actions usually need Official Status applied for, They do however have the power to frighten people:mad:

That's not official! (the scare tactics I mean)
 
If I remember rightly it turns out it had also been reported to WHW & they got an officer there first, seems he wasn't happy at having clearly had his time wasted. He was going to contact the RSPCA officer as he felt it was pointless them both wasting resources when there was no problem. So a lot of stress & upset children for no purpose, but all's well now.
 
Nari said:
If I remember rightly it turns out it had also been reported to WHW & they got an officer there first, seems he wasn't happy at having clearly had his time wasted. He was going to contact the RSPCA officer as he felt it was pointless them both wasting resources when there was no problem. So a lot of stress & upset children for no purpose, but all's well now.
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Thank you for update, glad your friend is OK & not in trouble (just as she said).
Hope things go smoothly from now on :)
 
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