RSPCA SHAME ON YOU

So op... Did you call whw or bhs?

Agree with seatbelt left on. They are bloody difficult things to cut through (have been cut out of one) and not something you can do without some impliment to cut off. I wouldn't have cut off even if I could until on a box and tbh probably in a yard or well lit area unless was very obviously over hair. If its that tight and it's cut through the skin for some time you'll do more damage cutting off and not getting a vet in to do it.
 
What do youean they don't offer this service? Last time I called whw and bhs they came straight out. Whw reported straight back too as to what they were going to do. Even if not in their remit bhs would have given ypu advice and help.

Lots of police work with charities for this kind of incident too... Ie redwings will attend these situations with the police so they have a knowledgable person there.
Why would rspca do more than either whw or bhs?
 
Moomin1 said:
You said it all!

The police SIGNED THE PONIES OVER TO YOUR FRIENDS. Therefore it was down to them to sort out.
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That is unlawful the police can not not just give other peoples straying property to a member of the public .
When OP moved the pony she was breaking the law and was liable for a £5000 fine the police just can't say to a member of the public it's down to you to sort it out.
Op and her friends has no third party cover if the pony had broken away from them and damaged someonne or some thing they could have been held personally liable for the damages the whole thing is a nightmare.
OP I have not read the whole thread what has happened to the pony?
Do your friends still have it ?
 
For all the interested parties my friends are still caring for the pony who turns out to be a colt
The police have my friends details and the details of where the pony is kept so if a owner comes forward they can be reunited, which has not happened yet
They do not have ownership of him just duty of care
Please dont jump to conclusions on my insurance status
Please also dont disrespect my friends efforts it seems only the pony is gratful to find himself in a warm stable with hay and water in this weather
As for the passport issue the police are aware of the law and gave permission for his transport as public safety was theatened and indeed were glad that there was somewhere he could go
The lady who owns the livery yard has said he can stay as long as he likes and he has settled well
I feel cofident that my friends are doing all the right things
I am also sure they would have phoned other organisations if they had the numbers at the time they did not know that the RSPCA would not help them
I can only apologise on behalf of my friends for their lack of knowledge in not knowing who to call in this situation
 
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Your insurance OP will not cover you handling a horse without the owners permission.
The police can't decide unilaterally to tell people to ignore the law.
I am not getting at you at all the whole issue of straying horses is a complete mess with everyone playing pass the parcel like mad .
This is a lucky pony to have met your friends.
 
Has anyone had a look at this weeks Horse and Hound?
If you have a copy please read the letters page perhaps everyone will then realise what i have been trying to say and stop suggesting we phone WHW or the BHS as they are as interested in stray horses as the RSPCA
It appears we are not alone when we say the equine charities wont help, there are two letters from different areas around the uk having the same problem as us
We arent in those areas so that makes three, we all cant be wrong
Think before posting a reply remember whos forum you are on
 
harveysmom said:
Has anyone had a look at this weeks Horse and Hound?
If you have a copy please read the letters page perhaps everyone will then realise what i have been trying to say and stop suggesting we phone WHW or the BHS as they are as interested in stray horses as the RSPCA
It appears we are not alone when we say the equine charities wont help, there are two letters from different areas around the uk having the same problem as us
We arent in those areas so that makes three, we all cant be wrong
Think before posting a reply remember whos forum you are on
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No your not wrong its how it is . It's the local authorities job to deal with strays and charities may ,even if they could afford it , have no one on the ground in an area who can deal with strays .
The BHS welfare officers are volunteers who usually work and do the the welfare in their spare time .
However I don't think there's any excuse for the RSPCA telling your friends that they dont deal with strays at the very least they ought to have advised your friends how the law works and what they should do.
 
OP, one question for you.

Would you rather the welfare charities be dealing with a healthy stray animal, who is actually the legal responsibility of the police, than dealing with a neglected starved/beaten/dying/suffering animal?

Because by you moaning away and trying to say that they should attend a healthy stray instead of the police dealing with it, or just dealing with it yourself, you are inadvertently suggesting that those I have described above should go without help whilst that officer deals with that healthy horse stood at the side of the road with a member of public.
 
Moomin1 said:
OP, one question for you.

Would you rather the welfare charities be dealing with a healthy stray animal, who is actually the legal responsibility of the police, than dealing with a neglected starved/beaten/dying/suffering animal?

Because by you moaning away and trying to say that they should attend a healthy stray instead of the police dealing with it, or just dealing with it yourself, you are inadvertently suggesting that those I have described above should go without help whilst that officer deals with that healthy horse stood at the side of the road with a member of public.
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I think that most people would hope that the RSPCA could deal with horses in both scenarios, and perhaps they could, if they used the donations they receive from the public to do what most members of the public believe they use the money for. This would be rather than using it for expensive publicity campaigns, such as the recent one regarding the badger cull. If they move out of the political sphere and back into what the majority of people believe that they were set up for, then I am sure that they could do a great deal more of day to day prevention of cruelty.
 
Moomin1 said:
OP, one question for you.

Would you rather the welfare charities be dealing with a healthy stray animal, who is actually the legal responsibility of the police, than dealing with a neglected starved/beaten/dying/suffering animal?

Because by you moaning away and trying to say that they should attend a healthy stray instead of the police dealing with it, or just dealing with it yourself, you are inadvertently suggesting that those I have described above should go without help whilst that officer deals with that healthy horse stood at the side of the road with a member of public.
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Moomin, question for you... why are you still ignoring my question to you?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Queenbee said:
Moomin, question for you... why are you still ignoring my question to you?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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No I don't think the RSPCA are perfect. Yes they could improve. No I don't think the public are always correct in their assumptions about the RSPCA and their actions, and yes, the public listen far too much to biased press articles.

Anything else you would like my opinion on?:)
 
Moomin1 said:
No I don't think the RSPCA are perfect. Yes they could improve. No I don't think the public are always correct in their assumptions about the RSPCA and their actions, and yes, the public listen far too much to biased press articles.

Anything else you would like my opinion on?:)
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No thats great thanks, I never said the public were always correct, but its nice to know you are actually human and aknowledge that the RSPCA is flawed and their practice and attitude is lacking. thank you :D
 
Moomin1 said:
OP, one question for you.

Would you rather the welfare charities be dealing with a healthy stray animal, who is actually the legal responsibility of the police, than dealing with a neglected starved/beaten/dying/suffering animal?

Because by you moaning away and trying to say that they should attend a healthy stray instead of the police dealing with it, or just dealing with it yourself, you are inadvertently suggesting that those I have described above should go without help whilst that officer deals with that healthy horse stood at the side of the road with a member of public.
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No i agree with others that the RSPCA should respond to both senarios, im sure the P in RSPCA means PREVENTION
I really do advise you to read this weeks H&H letters the second letter would be of interest to you perhaps
IN BREIF person reports that 15 horses are in a field with inadequate grazing and no additional fodder
WHW response for vaious reasons an officer will not be available until the first week in january bearing in mind this was reported before christmas, asked what to do if the situation became desperate, told to contact RSPCA
The week before christmas phones RSPCA national cruelty and emergency line after alot of button pressing and listening to messages was told by a recording to inspect the animals for freeze marks and contact farmkey who would identify the owner failing that go to a local riding school or livery yard they might no the owner and if this fails contact the BHS
these calls were made during office hours on a normal working weekday
So it now appears the RSPCA have spent all the money they cant even attend horses that do fall under their remit STARVING HORSES
I thought i would just throw in the police did attend letter one covers that if you would like me to give a potted version of that one i will be only to happy
 
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Right so these horses are now starving are they?

OP, as has been pointed out to you time after time on this thread, THE LAW is that the police are responsible for this issue.

Get a grip.
 
If you read yet another of moomins posts she states that the police have legal responsibilty so just like a horse on loan perhaps in the interests of public safety the police can act as owner
also i think you should read letter one in H&H stray horses are apparently a civil matter so the police are outside their remit
That is why no one takes responsibility
it amazes me how horses seem to fall into the gaps in the law, bearing in mind roads were originally built for them [obviously not to the same standard as today] and not just in this way either its almost as if the law discriminates against horses
e.g you can walk your dog on the pavement as he is a domestic pet a horse is a domestic pet but we are not allowed to ride on the pavement
police deal with motorists but horses are road users and when they are strays the police dont deal with them but if you are drunk on a horse i think i am right in saying they will do you
 
Moomin1 said:
Right so these horses are now starving are they?

OP, as has been pointed out to you time after time on this thread, THE LAW is that the police are responsible for this issue.

Get a grip.
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Did you bother to read my post i was refering to the article written in horse and hound
THE POLICE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE
READ THIS WEEKS HORSE AND HOUND {LETTERS}
 
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harveysmom said:
Did you bother to read my post i was refering to the article written in horse and hound
THE POLICE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE
READ THIS WEEKS HORSE AND HOUND {LETTERS}
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Police are responsible for any stray healthy animal that is loose on the public highway or in a public area.

They are responsible for ensuring that animal is removed from causing danger, and being in danger, to a suitable secure place. That can be anywhere, including somebody's garden. Once the police have secured that animal, it is the land owner's responsibility. If the animal is injured, the RSPCA will pay for treatment. If perfectly healthy, the horse is the responsibility of the land owner.

Tough. That is the law.

I get hacked off with people who fail to listen time and time again to people telling them what the law is.

I'm afraid, like it or not, that is the way it is.
 
harveysmom said:
No i agree with others that the RSPCA should respond to both senarios, im sure the P in RSPCA means PREVENTION
I really do advise you to read this weeks H&H letters the second letter would be of interest to you perhaps
IN BREIF person reports that 15 horses are in a field with inadequate grazing and no additional fodder
WHW response for vaious reasons an officer will not be available until the first week in january bearing in mind this was reported before christmas, asked what to do if the situation became desperate, told to contact RSPCA
The week before christmas phones RSPCA national cruelty and emergency line after alot of button pressing and listening to messages was told by a recording to inspect the animals for freeze marks and contact farmkey who would identify the owner failing that go to a local riding school or livery yard they might no the owner and if this fails contact the BHS
these calls were made during office hours on a normal working weekday
So it now appears the RSPCA have spent all the money they cant even attend horses that do fall under their remit STARVING HORSES
I thought i would just throw in the police did attend letter one covers that if you would like me to give a potted version of that one i will be only to happy
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Sorry, just read this again. So, this person who called this in has only actually remained on the phone for the duration of the automated system of the RSPCA line! I point out that the national number is in fact not any sort of RSPCA rehoming centre or HQ, but a call centre. The line has so many calls daily that they have to do an automated response before a call taker can answer. So, quite reasonably IMO, the RSPCA have actually put in place a different system, just like other companies ie British Gas etc, a multiple choice system. Can you imagine, with over 2000 calls per day, how many malicious and rubbish calls come in that need sifting through and making sure they don't cause an officer a waste of journey??
 
Moomin1 said:
Sorry, just read this again. So, this person who called this in has only actually remained on the phone for the duration of the automated system of the RSPCA line! I point out that the national number is in fact not any sort of RSPCA rehoming centre or HQ, but a call centre. The line has so many calls daily that they have to do an automated response before a call taker can answer. So, quite reasonably IMO, the RSPCA have actually put in place a different system, just like other companies ie British Gas etc, a multiple choice system. Can you imagine, with over 2000 calls per day, how many malicious and rubbish calls come in that need sifting through and making sure they don't cause an officer a waste of journey??
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Why dont you go out and buy a copy of horse and hound and read it for yourself
Im not that interested in the phone system just the response
 
Moomin1,

as a staunch supporter of the rspca, and their stance against the Heythrop, which you seem to support and applaud, I'm now wondering what your views are upon the now well publicised Equine Abattoir from Cheshire, where appalling lairage and slaughter conditions occur, and for horses.

Would you consider one to be worthy of rspca prosecution and not the other?

Would you agree that as there seems to be no political milage in the prosecution of abattoir owners, the workers involved, the State Veterinary Service and the Meat Hygiene Service, all of whom having failed their responsibilities abysmally, that the easiest rout is to pick upon those who whilst able to offer defence, simply can't afford to run the risk? Well, do you?

Alec.
 
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