RSPCA SHAME ON YOU

BeesKnees said:
Yep that's it. Unlike all the other non-horsy threads in NL which stay there.......not having a go at you Beausmate, but v suspicious as to why two pro RSPCA threads have been moved?
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Yep that was what I was thinking as I have only had personal genuine good experiences if its highways and horses it is a job for the police not RSPCA . Regarding horses there are a lot of horse welfare charities so am puzzled too why they dont get bad press that RSPCA are getting. Horse charity are their speciality. Why not knock vets too as to not doing something about welfare etc. I am not knocking charities but my experience of RSPCA directly is good.

There are many people out there that will not be pleased at being caught and prosecuted by the police and RSPCA on BBC tonight regarding badger baiting. The RSPCA said they have to have such good evidence. But harecoursing/lamping etc hard to prove. Or the RSPCA could do 0 as is suggested. But the RSPCA Will have a lot of enemies re illegal field sport enthusiasts. There are many that enjoy these activities.

I like RSPCA charity so leave alone. National institution. I will continue my donations.
 
I am well aware of the RSPCA stance, but I would think the general public who they get their donations from do not. I also can not see how equines roaming the streets is not a horse welfare matter, it may be the responsiblity of the local council/police but its still a welfare matter and for the RSPCA to have no interest is bizarre if only if its to collect statistics.
 
indie999 said:
Ta,Yes it has been moved to Soapbox(I hadnt even heard of that bit as I normally lurk in my cold boredom and sad life on here). Ha!

I will add horse word somewhere next time. But anyway my approx 6 experiences of old horse, swans and 2 dogs were all positive RSPCA experiences. Charities are Charities if they save one animal thats good. I still cant understand why this OP didnt remove the seat belt and no mention the horse was about to strangle etc? Oh well. Thanks for replies. Off I go to Soapbox section...banned forever.....hmmm.
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I thought i would answer your question on why i didnt remove the seatbelt from the ponies neck, firstly i was the person who was called to collect said pony with my horsebox so was not the first there, secondly my friends who were left standing with the pony for over 4 hours in sub zero temperatures had nothing to cut it with as it had been pulled that tight. thirdly they didint have a headcollar with them to replace it with if they had been able to cut it. also they had already untied the pony from the lampost and were using the seatbelt to hold on to him with as they had nothing else,he also was standing very calmly
when i arrived i brought a tiny headcollar from the stables with me, we put this on him to load him which he did with no trouble but we could not remove the seatbelt until we got him back to the yard as we had to cut it off
i think you have the idea he had been dumped right outside our yard gate the two girls that found him and are still looking after him were three miles away on their way home after doing their own horses so had not gone prepared
of course they were worried he may have come to harm its the RSPCA and the police that couldnt care less if he stood there all night
 
harveysmom said:
I thought i would answer your question on why i didnt remove the seatbelt from the ponies neck, firstly i was the person who was called to collect said pony with my horsebox so was not the first there, secondly my friends who were left standing with the pony for over 4 hours in sub zero temperatures had nothing to cut it with as it had been pulled that tight. thirdly they didint have a headcollar with them to replace it with if they had been able to cut it. also they had already untied the pony from the lampost and were using the seatbelt to hold on to him with as they had nothing else,he also was standing very calmly
when i arrived i brought a tiny headcollar from the stables with me, we put this on him to load him which he did with no trouble but we could not remove the seatbelt until we got him back to the yard as we had to cut it off
i think you have the idea he had been dumped right outside our yard gate the two girls that found him and are still looking after him were three miles away on their way home after doing their own horses so had not gone prepared
of course they were worried he may have come to harm its the RSPCA and the police that couldnt care less if he stood there all night
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Did you try to call WHW or BHS? I am sure they would have helped you.:)
 
horserider said:
Seeing as the message doesn't seem to be getting through.

THIS IS A POLICE AND COUNCIL MATTER. DOG WARDENS ARE EMPLOYED BY THE COUNCIL. SOME COUNCILS ALREADY COLLECT AND KEEP ABANDONED HORSES READY TO BE COLLECTED ONCE THE CHARGE IS PAID.

It is not the RSPCA's responsibility. Call the police or the council.
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The POLICE were called and they did show up and signed over responsibility for the pony to my two friends who found him, then it was down to them to sort out
my friends dont run a charity but as i have previously said in situations like this i would hope the equestrian community could do their bit after all we are supposed to care about horses. they were this ponies good samaritans when everyone else walked by
 
harveysmom said:
The POLICE were called and they did show up and signed over responsibility for the pony to my two friends who found him, then it was down to them to sort out
my friends dont run a charity but as i have previously said in situations like this i would hope the equestrian community could do their bit after all we are supposed to care about horses. they were this ponies good samaritans when everyone else walked by
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You said it all!

The police SIGNED THE PONIES OVER TO YOUR FRIENDS. Therefore it was down to them to sort out.
 
horserider said:
Stray horses are not the responsibility of the RSPCA. The police and the local council are. Some councils already operate schemes to seize and impound fly grazers and straying horses.
Owners are charged for costs, including vet treatment and care to get the horses back. Otherwise they become the property of the council.

The RSPCA and WHW do use private yards and volunteer approved yards to take in and rehab rescued horses already,as the sanctuaries cannot cope with the demand.


The RSPCA is a charity. Don't expect them to have a local team of patrolling stray horse catchers awaiting your call. It is not a publicly funded emergency service.

Just imagine of the fire brigade was entirely funded by public donations, would you still expect response to a 999 call within minutes by a highly trained crew ?

Get your facts straight before declaring shame on the RSPCA. OP, your thread should correctly have read,' Shame on my local council.'
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Just thought i would mention that the RNLI are funded on public donations they dont pick and choose who they rescue they put their own lives at risk trying to save anyone who needs their help
 
harveysmom said:
Just thought i would mention that the RNLI are funded on public donations they dont pick and choose who they rescue they put their own lives at risk trying to save anyone who needs their help
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Err, there are only two real scenarios for the RNLI - either somebody is in the sea in danger, or are about to go into the sea in danger ie hanging off a cliff.

A slight difference of course to the RSPCA or any other land based charity. That is almost like saying that the NSPCC should go around collecting every single child wandering the streets skiving school or wearing shabby clothes.
 
amymay said:
What recommendation did the RSPCA make in dealing with this issue??
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They told my friends they dont collect strays from the roadside only from yards. He is still with us today, probably because he is now being cared for they probably wont be interested but we wont know that until we ask
I had a similar problem years ago a pony on our yard was not getting even basic care, he was shut in a stable 24/7 they never mucked him out [they couldnt they didnt own even a pitchfork] they did not give him hay,water of feed so we took pity on him and gave him hay and water and called the RSPCA they told us to stop feeding him or they could do nothing, catch 22 really
thanks for asking your question though, much nicer than jumping to conclusions its much nicer being asked
 
Moomin1 said:
Err, there are only two real scenarios for the RNLI - either somebody is in the sea in danger, or are about to go into the sea in danger ie hanging off a cliff.

A slight difference of course to the RSPCA or any other land based charity. That is almost like saying that the NSPCC should go around collecting every single child wandering the streets skiving school or wearing shabby clothes.
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You missed the point i was making, the RNLI are a charity just like the RSPCA are a charity they both work in different fields i agree but the RNLI will attend every call not come up with a reason not to come
 
harveysmom said:
They told my friends they dont collect strays from the roadside only from yards. He is still with us today, probably because he is now being cared for they probably wont be interested but we wont know that until we ask
I had a similar problem years ago a pony on our yard was not getting even basic care, he was shut in a stable 24/7 they never mucked him out [they couldnt they didnt own even a pitchfork] they did not give him hay,water of feed so we took pity on him and gave him hay and water and called the RSPCA they told us to stop feeding him or they could do nothing, catch 22 really
thanks for asking your question though, much nicer than jumping to conclusions its much nicer being asked
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This gets weary.

Read up on the law. Here's a start for you:

Protection of Animals Act 1911.

Animal Welfare Act 2006.

If you can't understand it, I suggest speaking to a legal bod who will explain it to you, as currently you do not seem to have a clear understanding of the way the law has, and has since worked.

Hope that is of some use to you in the future.:)
 
harveysmom said:
You missed the point i was making, the RNLI are a charity just like the RSPCA are a charity they both work in different fields i agree but the RNLI will attend every call not come up with a reason not to come
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I am quite sure the RNLI wouldn't attend if someone said that they were wandering around the streets in perfect health, CONTEMPLATING maybe going for a swim in the sea. ;)
 
indie999 said:
I dont see your point either. If I found a horse with a seatbelt round its neck my first instinct would be to remove it and make the horse safe and if that involved putting it in a field then I would. As to fund raising as usual you expect someone else as does everyone knocking charities to do the dirty work for them. Unfortunately as you have found some people are not decent human beings to animals and if you read the link that I had attached it was from a horse charity advising on what the procedure is and unfortunately the police will not always come with a blue light to rescue a horse tied up. They have murders, rapes, firearms, drugs, terrorists, burglary, speeding etc animals unless they are causing havoc on a highway do not have the time or resources to deal with this kind of issue. So read the link. You have over reacted this particular time. Yes you found a horse, Yes you collected it and have to provide some hay and diesel and now find an owner(if one exists). Good luck that will be your charitable contribution for 2013. God will bless you one day.
Why should someone else dig deep. Well done.
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Sorry all the posts are getting a bit muddled out here, i personnally was not asking for donations we are quite happy to look after the little chap, its that someone else said that i ought not to critisise the RSPCA and raise some money for them instead. I hope that makes more sense
 
Moomin1 said:
Did you try to call WHW or BHS? I am sure they would have helped you.:)
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As i just said i was not the first there i made none of the phone calls the POLICE had already been called by another passing motorist my friends were unaware of that when they called the RSPCA who would of probably been the name that first came to mind.
They dont keep a copy of yellow pages in their car, directory enquiries costs silly money if i were them i would make the RSPCA my first call and have dicided if they wouldnt help then the others probably wouldnt either
 
harveysmom said:
As i just said i was not the first there i made none of the phone calls the POLICE had already been called by another passing motorist my friends were unaware of that when they called the RSPCA who would of probably been the name that first came to mind.
They dont keep a copy of yellow pages in their car, directory enquiries costs silly money if i were them i would made the RSPCA my first call and have dicided if they wouldnt help then the others probably wouldnt either
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Right.

He said that she said stuff again.
 
Plenty of places in the world where stock loose on the road, including horses, are shot.

So tied up by whatever means, is not the worse thing out there. :D

However, SPCA here are predominantly a small animal organisation.
 
harveysmom said:
Tell me something Moomin what would you personally have done if you had been the one to find this pony
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Removed it from the danger it was in immediately. Then called the police. Police in your instance attended and signed said pony over to your friends. If I was your friends, I would then take said ponies back to secure location, and the following day taken legal advice.
 
Moomin1 said:
Removed it from the danger it was in immediately. Then called the police. Police in your instance attended and signed said pony over to your friends. If I was your friends, I would then take said ponies back to secure location, and the following day taken legal advice.
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You have mentioned in previous posts that the RSPCA cant remove a horse just like that but you would. What if the owner came back and found his pony missing you would have taken it without permission from the owner.
My friends did remove the pony to a safe location once the POLICE authorised it, if they had not agreed to look after it the POLICE had noware to take it, as my friends call to the RSPCA was quite clear they dont take strays from the roadside, for a charity dedicated to animal welfare i for one would hope that they took alittle more interest
 
harveysmom said:
You have mentioned in previous posts that the RSPCA cant remove a horse just like that but you would. What if the owner came back and found his pony missing you would have taken it without permission from the owner.
My friends did remove the pony to a safe location once the POLICE authorised it, if they had not agreed to look after it the POLICE had noware to take it, as my friends call to the RSPCA was quite clear they dont take strays from the roadside, for a charity dedicated to animal welfare i for one would hope that they took alittle more interest
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Okay so RSPCA say they don't take strays. Fair enough. So take pony, put in secure location, go get phone book or go on internet and phone BHS or ILPH or local council and find out what to do with said pony? No?
 
harveysmom said:
You have mentioned in previous posts that the RSPCA cant remove a horse just like that but you would. What if the owner came back and found his pony missing you would have taken it without permission from the owner.
My friends did remove the pony to a safe location once the POLICE authorised it, if they had not agreed to look after it the POLICE had noware to take it, as my friends call to the RSPCA was quite clear they dont take strays from the roadside, for a charity dedicated to animal welfare i for one would hope that they took alittle more interest
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Err. I would have removed it from the immediate danger. Therefore removed it from the 'seatbelt around the lampost' danger. Doesn't mean you have to remove the pony from the location does it?

Think a bit before you make judgement
 
Moomin1 said:
Err. I would have removed it from the immediate danger. Therefore removed it from the 'seatbelt around the lampost' danger. Doesn't mean you have to remove the pony from the location does it?

Think a bit before you make judgement
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Read my posts they did that and stood there for 3 hours waiting for someone to turn up
The seatbelt was around the ponies neck the other end was around the lampost they managed to untie that end they had to leave something attached to the pony
 
Moomin1 said:
I am quite sure the RNLI wouldn't attend if someone said that they were wandering around the streets in perfect health, CONTEMPLATING maybe going for a swim in the sea. ;)
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Just like the RSPCA wouldnt attend a pony wandering around a field in perfect health
You could take your boat to sea when the sea gets a bit rough its down to you to call for help- the RNLI respond
My friends called the RSPCA for help - they did not
 
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Okay Harveysmom I initially thought you were just interested in what to do with said pony but it's now becoming more and more clear that you wrote this post just to have a jibe at the RSPCA. It's been said that the RSPCA do not deal with this, you've been given suggestions on who does deal with stray horses, you've been given suggestion on who to call but it seems you're not interested in what to do with the pony, rather you continue to pursue stomping on the RSPCA (who are not the people you need to deal with over this). Not much point continuing with this conversation methinks. Good luck to your friend and the pony. If you're not willing to accept that they need to call other organizations then I hope they're ready for a long care programme to be implemented as disposal in the UK is not the same as it is here, which is pretty straightforward.
 
Spring Feather said:
Okay Harveysmom I initially thought you were just interested in what to do with said pony but it's now becoming more and more clear that you wrote this post just to have a jibe at the RSPCA. It's been said that the RSPCA do not deal with this, you've been given suggestions on who does deal with stray horses, you've been given suggestion on who to call but it seems you're not interested in what to do with the pony, rather you continue to pursue stomping on the RSPCA (who are not the people you need to deal with over this). Not much point continuing with this conversation methinks. Good luck to your friend and the pony. If you're not willing to accept that they need to call other organizations then I hope they're ready for a long care programme to be implemented as disposal in the UK is not the same as it is here, which is pretty straightforward.
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I think you have got my veiwpoint all wrong, i may come accross that way because since i started this thread yesterday evening all most people do is complain that my friends and i have either not done enough for the pony or done the wrong thing such as not removing the seatbelt from his neck which as i have already said had to be cut off
yesterday afternoon about 3 o clock this happened it was hard enough to find a headcollar small enough i dont own one why do so many out there feel we should no what to do in this situation and the rest feel we should be fully equiped to deal with this
personally my horses headcollars are xfull not much use with a shetland so they were leading him by the seatbelt already around his neck until i arrived with a borrowed headcollar all my point is that we went to all the effort when an animal welfare charity wouldnt even offer any advice
The organisations that have been mentioned do not offer this service its that this is how everyone would like this situation dealt with,there is nothing in place at this moment in time
so,we stepped in and helped the pony and thats why i dont like being called a liar by some of the posters who have had good experiences with the RSPCA this not my experience at this time
 
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Moomin1 said:
Err, there are only two real scenarios for the RNLI - either somebody is in the sea in danger, or are about to go into the sea in danger ie hanging off a cliff.

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Not entirely true... There are many times when they are called out and they know there is no danger... For instance a man who has called them out over 50 times, with stupid issues such as wanting them to guide him into a certain harbour... They still have to go to this man every time, I am certain he is not the only idiot in no danger they are required to attend, although I do agree, it's not the best comparison

Moomin1 said:
Removed it from the danger it was in immediately. Then called the police. Police in your instance attended and signed said pony over to your friends. If I was your friends, I would then take said ponies back to secure location, and the following day taken legal advice.
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How would that really have differed the outcome, end of day you would still have had the pony.

I am genuinely interested in knowing the answer to the following question moomin1, you always defend the RSPCA in their actions, whatever the scenario the appear to be able to do no wrong in your opinion. Is this really the case, is there nothing that you know the RSPCA have done, no action they have or have not taken, no decision they have made, no standpoint they have that didn't sit right with you, that you disagree with or that was to the detriment of an animal?

Are you so blinkered that you think that they really do ++++ miracles, are faultless and beyond reproach? No organisation or person can be classed as that!
 
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