RSPCA SHAME ON YOU

joeanne said:
So missy clever clogs......what happenes when a person finds a dumped pony, knows NOTHING about them, takes it home and calls the RSPCA. They are unable to care properly for it, the police are no longer bound to do anything as its not roaming.....so what happens now?
RSPCA going to come get it then?
Ok......
Yup.....
Can see THAT happening......:rolleyes:
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I think some perspective from all of you is very much needed. On one hand it seems the RSPCA is wronged for being heavy handed and on the other then shafted for not doing enough. Perhaps someone could post the weekly private boarding bill of all the animals the society 'doesnt help'.

Some of you are even subtly implying the officers dont care about animals at all...i find that a very bold statement.

Joeanne how on earth could i answer that? In my experience the RSPCA or WHW would try and help. Lets all please remember though that it isnt like animal centres across the country with all charities are standing empty with spaces ready to be filled.

I will also state that if people take what the daily fail has to write as gospel they are seriously dillluded. I would rather get my facts myself.
 
Moomin1 said:
Quite frankly, nobody could do any good whatsoever in your eyes from the RSPCA! I asked you this previously, and you never responded. Please can you tell me when and where I have ever said the RSPCA have powers? TA MUCHLY! ;)
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I have neither the time nor the inclination to read your past posts, where you have indeed argued about powers of entry and have claimed that if people have nothing to hide they should let RSPCA 'officers' onto their property.

What about the rest of the points in my post? I can quite see that you do not feel that you want to answer them and indeed there is nothing that obliges you to :)
 
competitiondiva said:
have you? Really?

In fact has anyone who slates the RSPCA actually donated to them??? Be honest. because if not then please don't criticise an organisation that you have given no help to.

Regarding the poster about those ponies in dire need, and on deaths door, you know this from 300 miles away???

The RSPCA can only act within the law, and to those that claim they do otherwise, they wouldn't have a 98% success rate in their prosecutions if they didn't.
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The RSPCA could have a 98% success rate in their prosecutions as they may only take the dead certs to court, they perhaps would decide to save the money if there was a chance of loosing
 
Moomin1 said:
You do of course realise that it is the police that are bound by law to deal with stray horses in a public place?;)
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Yes, I am not uneducated but wouldn't one think that there would be some sort of common theme running here? There are massive gaps in the communication between all services, and that needs to be addressed. Police catch loose horses, police call welfare agency to come and take them to safety until police can find owners. Horse and owners reunited. No accidents, no injuries or even deaths.
 
Springy said:
Im presuming that people know the difference between civil law and what law the Police can act on and also Scotish Law is also different.....

Not ALL laws are enforceable by the Police .....
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yes but surely she should know that it is against the law to travel etc a horse without a passport be it here or Scotland!! her letting her horses go off on loan without passport is breaking the law.......

I never rely on the police anyway..in 3 months we had our horse back home, would have been quicker with her help and then he maybe wouldn't have looked like a hat rack but hey ho...these authorities are great on paper lol
 
DragonSlayer said:
Yes, I am not uneducated but wouldn't one think that there would be some sort of common theme running here? There are massive gaps in the communication between all services, and that needs to be addressed. Police catch loose horses, police call welfare agency to come and take them to safety until police can find owners. Horse and owners reunited. No accidents, no injuries or even deaths.
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Maybe Moomin1 thinks the police do take them and just shove them in the property store next to the bikes and cannabis and found purses until an owner comes along.......

This police force do what you have said Dragonslayer.....
 
MillyMoomie said:
Joeanne how on earth could i answer that? In my experience the RSPCA or WHW would try and help. Lets all please remember though that it isnt like animal centres across the country with all charities are standing empty with spaces ready to be filled.
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Because they don't.
They did not with Stig and he WAS reported many a time. The "owners" had asked for help. They were told to politely sod off and deal with it themselves.
So there is the answer to your unanswerable question.
They DO NOT help when they SHOULD help!
They need yanking back to the bare bones, they need to be more animal related than politically motivated, and most of all the officers need TRAINING!!!!
Each area needs to have a specialist in a particular area. Its no good sending a fluffy expert to look at a snake, nor an exotics inspector to look at a horse. All which happens far too often.
A blimmin good shake up is what is needed. By the scruff of the neck if necessary!
 
harveysmom said:
The RSPCA could have a 98% success rate in their prosecutions as they may only take the dead certs to court, they perhaps would decide to save the money if there was a chance of loosing
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ahhhh, no you're talking about the CPS there and they still have a hell of a lower success rate!!! lol!!!!

You can't imply or accuse the RSPCA of being heavy handed and then also accuse them of only taking the dead certs???
 
DragonSlayer said:
Yes, I am not uneducated but wouldn't one think that there would be some sort of common theme running here? There are massive gaps in the communication between all services, and that needs to be addressed. Police catch loose horses, police call welfare agency to come and take them to safety until police can find owners. Horse and owners reunited. No accidents, no injuries or even deaths.
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No it ought to be police alert local authority ,local authority horse wardens catch and take horses to local horse pound.
Battalion of pigs fly past window the truth is huge gaps exist in systems to deal with strays .
 
DragonSlayer said:
Yes, I am not uneducated but wouldn't one think that there would be some sort of common theme running here? There are massive gaps in the communication between all services, and that needs to be addressed. Police catch loose horses, police call welfare agency to come and take them to safety until police can find owners. Horse and owners reunited. No accidents, no injuries or even deaths.
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There would have to be a 'welfare agency' first though huh? And stables standing empty.
 
DragonSlayer said:
Yes, I am not uneducated but wouldn't one think that there would be some sort of common theme running here? There are massive gaps in the communication between all services, and that needs to be addressed. Police catch loose horses, police call welfare agency to come and take them to safety until police can find owners. Horse and owners reunited. No accidents, no injuries or even deaths.
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ahhh an ideal world, that's a lovely place isn't it!! agree, but it's very costly picking up stray horses. If all the stray horses in the uk were picked up, ALL the equine charities involved not just the RSPCA would be broke within the month I'd bet! And where would they all go? Would the owner then pay for this if an owner did come forward?
 
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I rang the RSPCA about a horse tethered on the remains of a tennis court, tether caught in the chain link etc etc to be told to ring the Local Authority horse warden, when I explained that we had no such person, I was told, in no uncertain terms that we did! I then rang the Local Authority, who confirmed that we did not have a horse warden, rang RSPCA back, to be told that they would not come out as the horse was not at risk.
 
joeanne said:
Because they don't.
They did not with Stig and he WAS reported many a time. The "owners" had asked for help. They were told to politely sod off and deal with it themselves.
So there is the answer to your unanswerable question.
They DO NOT help when they SHOULD help!
They need yanking back to the bare bones, they need to be more animal related than politically motivated, and most of all the officers need TRAINING!!!!
Each area needs to have a specialist in a particular area. Its no good sending a fluffy expert to look at a snake, nor an exotics inspector to look at a horse. All which happens far too often.
A blimmin good shake up is what is needed. By the scruff of the neck if necessary!
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Just out of interest which ever way i had answered your question apart from agreeing with you would you have responded any differently? i doubt it. Do not ask questions that you have already decided the answer for or do not wish for an opinion of. How about some constructive criticism from people?
 
competitiondiva said:
ahhh an ideal world, that's a lovely place isn't it!! agree, but it's very costly picking up stray horses. If all the stray horses in the uk were picked up, ALL the equine charities not just the RSPCA would be broke within the month I'd bet! And where would they all go? Would the owner then pay for this if an owner did come forward?
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Well they could be sent to turners after a certain time period say 72 hours that would fix the stray issue quickly or PTS by knacker man whatever was cheaper for local authority .
Part of the reason there's such a issue is that the toe rags know theres no system in place to deal with quickly and easily.
 
Surely one way to make that cost neutral, would be to send to slaughter after a defined time? If one's horse was lost or stolen, then you would be moving heaven and earth to find it, if dumped then society at large would not be bearing the cost.
 
competitiondiva said:
Would the owner then pay for this if an owner did come forward?
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If one of mine escaped and was picked up and "stored" at a livery yard, flipping right I would pay the fee's to get them back!
If your dog is picked up by the warden, round here you pay £54 before they will even let you come pick it up. And thats if its the same day!
Every 24 hours they add a boarding fee and if you don't collect in 7 days its PTS if no shelter space can be found....
Why should it not be the same for horses. Because the real owners would pay to get back their animals and be glad they were found and safe!
 
YorksG said:
Surely one way to make that cost neutral, would be to send to slaughter after a defined time? If one's horse was lost or stolen, then you would be moving heaven and earth to find it, if dumped then society at large would not be bearing the cost.
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My point exactly the passport issue is the the stumbling block for disposing of them in a cost effective way.
 
And seriously can you imagine the public outcry if the RSPCA were involved in picking up and euthanasing hundreds/thousands of stray horses? There'd be death threats galore I'd imagine! This issue is something that the local councils need to address same as they do with stray dogs...
 
competitiondiva said:
ahhhh, no you're talking about the CPS there and they still have a hell of a lower success rate!!! lol!!!!

You can't imply or accuse the RSPCA of being heavy handed and then also accuse them of only taking the dead certs???
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I think you are getting me cofused with someone else, how can i accuse the RSPCA of being heavy handed they did nothing to help this shetland pony. I mearly mentioned how statistics can be manipulated so 98% success could be made to sound impressive.
I think this post has moved so fast it may be a good idea for you to read my original post to see where im coming from
 
MillyMoomie said:
Just out of interest which ever way i had answered your question apart from agreeing with you would you have responded any differently? i doubt it. Do not ask questions that you have already decided the answer for or do not wish for an opinion of. How about some constructive criticism from people?
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Just so we are clear I will answer how I see fit....I cannot respond any differently than how I see it.
And I ask questions because perhaps there MIGHT be a valid reason you can give me....
Contructive? Sack your CEO, shake up the whole place by the foundations and get back to what was once a GREAT organisation!
 
competitiondiva said:
ahhh an ideal world, that's a lovely place isn't it!! agree, but it's very costly picking up stray horses. If all the stray horses in the uk were picked up, ALL the equine charities involved not just the RSPCA would be broke within the month I'd bet! And where would they all go? Would the owner then pay for this if an owner did come forward?
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Agree with this -Wouldn't this just encourage more people just to tie their horse to a lampost though if they knew it was guaranteed to be picked up by the Police or RSPCA?
 
joeanne said:
If one of mine escaped and was picked up and "stored" at a livery yard, flipping right I would pay the fee's to get them back!
If your dog is picked up by the warden, round here you pay £54 before they will even let you come pick it up. And thats if its the same day!
Every 24 hours they add a boarding fee and if you don't collect in 7 days its PTS if no shelter space can be found....
Why should it not be the same for horses. Because the real owners would pay to get back their animals and be glad they were found and safe!
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consider transport costs, field staff time, police time, boarding costs, you'd be talking alot more than £54, but agree in principal, but see my other post regarding disposing of those not claimed....
 
Goldenstar said:
My point exactly the passport issue is the the stumbling block for disposing of them in a cost effective way.
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I think we posted at the same time :) The pasport issue would surely be the same stumbling block for any sort of disposal, but I am sure that there could be some sort of waiver put into the legislation for this type of situation.
 
competitiondiva said:
And seriously can you imagine the public outcry if the RSPCA were involved in picking up and euthanasing hundreds/thousands of stray horses? There'd be death threats galore I'd imagine! This issue is something that the local councils need to address same as they do with stray dogs...
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I DO NOT think the RSPCA need to be anyway involved in this some where along the way we have to drop this ridiculous idea the the RSPCA have be involved in everything to do with animals they are a charity nothing more.
 
harveysmom said:
I think you are getting me cofused with someone else, how can i accuse the RSPCA of being heavy handed they did nothing to help this shetland pony. I mearly mentioned how statistics can be manipulated so 98% success could be made to sound impressive.
I think this post has moved so fast it may be a good idea for you to read my original post to see where im coming from
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Im afraid statistics in this instance cannot be manipulated. All facts and figures are available for people to peruse if only they would.
 
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