RSPCA shoots 11 HEALTHY horses but claimed keep fees for months

[Wella]

I read on another site that Evie still has Harley and four others. So it continues.......

 

[PonyIAmNotFood]

When did you see Harley? I don't think he has been listed as confirmed pts. Hope he made it.

It will have been about mid July last year, is that about right? Beautiful horse with distinct markings on his face, like the pics of Harley. They had a black stallion in at the same time, about 15 yo with screwed up legs. Can't remember much more about that one, don't know if he was related to this case as well. Both were poor.

 

[Tiddlypom]

It will have been about mid July last year, is that about right? Beautiful horse with distinct markings on his face, like the pics of Harley. They had a black stallion in at the same time, about 15 yo with screwed up legs.

The Peel horses were seized in March 2013, so if Harley was still alive in July 2014, then that's great. But how come he was still thin more than a year after his rescue?

I read on another site that Evie still has Harley and four others. So it continues.......

And then this . Oh no. I so hope that he, or any other survivors, are not back in the care of that family..

 

[PonyIAmNotFood]

It may not have been him then. I don't know much about the case, only what I've read on here. Would seem unusual for them to have two arab stallions of a similar colour in at different times maybe? I don't know, I didn't ask much about him, he was just in at the same time as mine.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I would think it was the same Harley, as you say, how many other similarly marked Arab stallions would the RSPCA and Cooper have had in their care? Very interesting. Let's hope that some of the other so far unaccounted for Peel horses made it, and have not been returned to the daughter.

 

[be positive]

I read on another site that Evie still has Harley and four others. So it continues.......

Has she got Harley the arab, no idea what his proper name is, or is it Harlequin the event horse she took to Hartbury, they may share the same stable name.

 

[Wella]

Has she got Harley the arab, no idea what his proper name is, or is it Harlequin the event horse she took to Hartbury, they may share the same stable name.

Ah not sure you could be right. I will see if I can find out.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Harley is Templars Orchestral Pearl (according to a 2010 post by Rachelle Peel).

Evie has a BE record in 2013/14 for Oso Harlequin, which is maybe the horse bp & Wella refer to. She even competed him/her twice in March 2013, the month that the other horses were seized..

I would hope that the RSPCA finally managed a positive official id of Harley via his passport, if they had been caring for him for over 12 months..

 

[Sadika]

Harley and 3 others have apparently been returned to Evie as she is the registered owner. Harley should not have been in poor condition at any point as I have seen a photograph of him taken just a few weeks before the March date when HAPPA and RSPCA went in ... Harley was being ridden at a stallion parade in Lancashire and looked very well ...

 

[PonyIAmNotFood]

Harley and 3 others have apparently been returned to Evie as she is the registered owner. Harley should not have been in poor condition at any point as I have seen a photograph of him taken just a few weeks before the March date when HAPPA and RSPCA went in ... Harley was being ridden at a stallion parade in Lancashire and looked very well ...

I have just doubted myself and checked with my friend who came with me and took much more interest in him than I did (wanted to take him home in fact, but doesn't have the facilities)...and apparently he wasn't in poor condition at all. I may have seen a rib or two and exaggerated it in my head. Sorry for the misinformation!

 

[ribbons]

It wouldn't be the first time an animal in RSPCA care gets into worse condition than when they were seized.

 

[PonyIAmNotFood]

It wouldn't be the first time an animal in RSPCA care gets into worse condition than when they were seized.

That was misinformation on my part, friend is certain he wasn't poor. Apologies again, causing more scandal where it really isn't necessary!

Out of interest, was there a dark coloured stallion seized at the same time that was around 15 yo? Friend is fairly sure he was also an arab, in at the same time as the other.

 

[christine0810]

Harley was indeed in great condition when he was seized by the RSPCA as he had been out at a stallion parade not many weeks before. However Harley, Legs, Neville and Joules were returned to Evie's 'care' not long after they were seized as she was the registered owner and the RSPCA had no choice but to return them to her........oh and if Evie Peel or whatever her name is now she is allegedly married would like to come on here and explain her and her parents actions then I'm sure she would be given a fair platform to let us know that at least these 4 horses are not suffering and will not be subjected to the fate that Taragun was

 

[Sadika]

My info is they haven't been back with her long ... but who really knows? Anyway I was wondering who would foot the livery bill for them when they were in RSPCA care? Apparently that's £13.20 per day per horse ...??!
As the start of the ban isn't too far away now will the RSPCA be out checking before it starts or the day it starts that RP has no contact with these horses???

 

[Fenris]

We told RSPCA we'd take in 11 rescue horses - but they killed them anyway: New fury as volunteers say charity ignored them, held secret cull and lied that animals were still alive

Volunteers claim RSPCA ignored their pleas to rehome 11 rescued horses
The horses were shot by the charity despite being deemed as healthy
The animal-lovers accused RSPCA of lying over the fate of the horses

By NIGEL BUNYAN and NICK CRAVEN FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
PUBLISHED: 01:02 GMT, 20 September 2015 | UPDATED: 01:18 GMT, 20 September 2015



Animal-lovers have accused the RSPCA of lying to them over the fate of 11 healthy horses, which The Mail on Sunday revealed were shot by the charity after being ‘rescued’ from a neglectful owner.
They claim the charity made no attempt to rehome many of the animals, and that requests for information were ignored.
The accusations came as the charity launched its own investigation into the case and admitted it needed to improve communications with other rescue organisations.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ored-held-secret-cull-lied-animals-alive.html

 

[Archangel]

Harley and 3 others have apparently been returned to Evie as she is the registered owner. Harley should not have been in poor condition at any point as I have seen a photograph of him taken just a few weeks before the March date when HAPPA and RSPCA went in ... Harley was being ridden at a stallion parade in Lancashire and looked very well ...

So to get it absolutely clear. This daughter that 'knew nothing and was not to blame in any way' took the stallion to a parade. The stallion was I believe kept at home. The home we are referring to is described in court as

" Later that day they went into a field at the farm and found the carcass of a horse.

There were a number of living horses feeding from a large bale of hay which was next to the carcass.

Shortly afterwards, the officials went into the farmhouse where there were a number of dogs.

The police officer said the house smelled so strongly of urine that his eyes were watering, and there were dog faeces all over the floor.

There were dogs tethered outside which the prosecution say were in a poor condition.

The party was joined by an RSPCA inspector. The police officer spoke to a farmer in a nearby field and as a result they went to the Knott Lane site which comprised a field and a large barn which was locked. The officer went to Brookhouse Green Farm and returned with a key.

There were two living horses in the field and what appeared to be the remains of at least two more horses.

Inside the barn there were three horses which were living among the remains of four dead and decomposed horses.

“One of the dead horses was in the same pen as the living animals,” said Mr O’Donnell.

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Everybody is working so hard to identify the lost horses. 3 people know all about those horses. Rachelle Peel, Stephen Peel and Evie Peel.

 

[DD]

There is someone near me who has rehomed a horse from Rspca and as you say assumed ownership after 6 months. Whereas I cannot say it is neglected or ill treated in the true sense of the word, it is not visited daily, is in a field with awful fencing (stock fencing lying on the ground) and certainly does not have what I would consider a good home.

Murphysminder, I too live in Shropshire. A local person has 4 cobs which she boasts are from the RSPCA at Dorrington. They cost her around £50 each already gelded. they live out in a chicken_pen arrangement surrounded by pallets, bits of sting and wire. they each have about the size of a loose box. the ground underfoot is utterly disguising. this spring they came out of winter very ribby and poor. sometimes they receive no food as she has run out of money or her car is broken down and she cant get to wherever she buys hay from. their feet are overgrown but not too bad at the moment. Her family have moved onto the small acreage she rents with various vehicles and caravans. she also has sheep geese hens and pigs. The site is a disgrace.
numerous villagers are always complaining and some phone the RSPCA. However , the horse are occasionally rugged receive water and sometimes food. They were signed over to her after 6 months of being with her and until things deteriorate worse the RSPCA will do nothing. Terrible situation.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Good to see the Daily Mail has caught up with this story and has published a further article containing much of the info on here.

 

[Alec Swan]

Murphysminder, I too live in Shropshire. A local person has 4 cobs which she boasts are from the RSPCA at Dorrington. They cost her around £50 each already gelded. they live out in a chicken_pen arrangement surrounded by pallets, bits of sting and wire. they each have about the size of a loose box. the ground underfoot is utterly disguising. this spring they came out of winter very ribby and poor. sometimes they receive no food as she has run out of money or her car is broken down and she cant get to wherever she buys hay from. their feet are overgrown but not too bad at the moment. Her family have moved onto the small acreage she rents with various vehicles and caravans. she also has sheep geese hens and pigs. The site is a disgrace.
numerous villagers are always complaining and some phone the RSPCA. However , the horse are occasionally rugged receive water and sometimes food. They were signed over to her after 6 months of being with her and until things deteriorate worse the RSPCA will do nothing. Terrible situation.

Would not the better answer to have been for those horses that you mention, and for others to be dealt with at the time of seizure by putting them down? Is it not time for owners, all owners to face their responsibilities and rather than pass-on the problem, but to face it and deal with it?

This Spring we had 2 two year olds, well bred but both with problems. With a collapsed market and with no realistic hope for a future, I shot them both, though there were plenty who would have taken them for nothing.

Alec.

 

[Fenris]

So to get it absolutely clear. This daughter that 'knew nothing and was not to blame in any way' took the stallion to a parade. The stallion was I believe kept at home. The home we are referring to is described in court as

" Later that day they went into a field at the farm and found the carcass of a horse.

There were a number of living horses feeding from a large bale of hay which was next to the carcass.

Shortly afterwards, the officials went into the farmhouse where there were a number of dogs.

The police officer said the house smelled so strongly of urine that his eyes were watering, and there were dog faeces all over the floor.

There were dogs tethered outside which the prosecution say were in a poor condition.

The party was joined by an RSPCA inspector. The police officer spoke to a farmer in a nearby field and as a result they went to the Knott Lane site which comprised a field and a large barn which was locked. The officer went to Brookhouse Green Farm and returned with a key.

There were two living horses in the field and what appeared to be the remains of at least two more horses.

Inside the barn there were three horses which were living among the remains of four dead and decomposed horses.

“One of the dead horses was in the same pen as the living animals,” said Mr O’Donnell.

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Everybody is working so hard to identify the lost horses. 3 people know all about those horses. Rachelle Peel, Stephen Peel and Evie Peel.

And yet at the end of the day, despite all of those claims,

She was found guilty on two counts of neglect and fined £2,200 with £8,000 costs, and also banned from keeping horses for two years.

Do you think that the court had some concerns about the quality of the RSPCA 'evidence', bearing in mind it had heard how the RSPCA had tried to claim costs for boarding dead horses? Or that it had failed to tell anyone that the horses were dead, including the real owners?

Whatever the answer, bottom line is only guilty on two counts, and a very short ban which means that the court was not convinced that anything as bad as has been described happened, If it did indeed happen then the blame for what is essentially a failed prosecution for those issues lies firmly in the lap of the RSPCA.

 

[Pinkvboots]

Funny how the rspca could work out 4 of the horses belonged to evie as the documents were in her name, so they obviously had access to all the horses papers how did they not notice that several other documents would have also been in other people's names as the horses were only loaned to them?

 

[DD]

Would not the better answer to have been for those horses that you mention, and for others to be dealt with at the time of seizure by putting them down? Is it not time for owners, all owners to face their responsibilities and rather than pass-on the problem, but to face it and deal with it?

This Spring we had 2 two year olds, well bred but both with problems. With a collapsed market and with no realistic hope for a future, I shot them both, though there were plenty who would have taken them for nothing.

Alec.

I too have had horses PTS rather than pass them on. I have been shot down in verbal flames on this forum for doing so too. However it was the right thing to do, better off dead than off loaded to an uncertain future.

 

[Archangel]

I agree Fenris - in fact you got me thinking about a previous cruelty case involving the Skippers and wondering how their case compared with the Peels. That too had a wiff of 'bungle' about it.

I've put links to the full stories but it seems if you sign your horses over to the RSPCA they bump them off.

From H&H article
"The two mares were signed over to the RSPCA, but later put to sleep. The part-bred Arab stallion, which was not signed over by the couple, is currently in RSPCA care and has received six months of remedial farriery"

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/prolific-equestrian-author-lesley-skipper-convicted-314117

This is a key paragraph from Lesley Skipper's side of the story

From BlackTent blog
"With regard to the remaining two horses who were euthanized, they were taken away by the RSPCA on 14th June, but were not put to sleep until 2nd August. After a great deal of effort on our part, on the 6th July 2011 we were allowed to visit the establishment to which the horses were taken. No mention whatsoever was made at that time of the possibility of their being euthanized; on the contrary, we were assured (and we have a witness to this conversation) that the old mare (Roxzella) was due to go to a retirement home for horses, and that the other mare, Imzadi (who had been sound for years, right up to and including 14th June last year), was being assessed with a view to rehoming her. Therefore, we were lied to about that. (This was not brought out in Court, for the reasons given in paragraph 3 above). We only found out that these two horses had been euthanized when we received the bundle of evidence documents from the RSPCA in October 2011."

Full story here...
http://black-tent.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/lesley-skipper-and-rspca-truth.html

 

[Fenris]

Several people have said that they would like to see a different organisation taking over monitoring horse welfare. What say you to this from Remus?

http://www.remussanctuary.org/page/welfare-watch

Welfare Watch

We are setting up our countrywide Welfare Watch to deliver assistance to horses in crisis in and around Essex and neighbouring counties. As the welfare crisis in the UK continues to escalate, Remus is looking to the public to help support our efforts in individual or area-specific cases. The problem is vast and we just cannot physically be everywhere we are needed.

In order to do this, we will be looking for volunteers in those areas to help monitor specific areas on our behalf

Surely this could grow and bring in more of the specialist horse rescues? All it needs is support and volunteers.

 

[Penny Less]

Glad to see that posters have something positive to say about the Daily Mail for once. This paper does a lot of very good investigative work which has resulted in action being taken for the better

 

[Alec Swan]

I too have had horses PTS rather than pass them on. I have been shot down in verbal flames on this forum for doing so too. However it was the right thing to do, better off dead than off loaded to an uncertain future.

Back in the late 60s and through the 70s there was a remarkable woman called Mrs. Gingell and she hunted the Cambridgeshire Harriers. She bought in Hunt Horses as they were needed and on the very rare occasion when she made a mistake, no horse was ever sold on or gifted. They were shot and fed to Hounds.

No criticism of you for assuring a peaceful end to a horse was justified. Your horse and so it was your choice. Could you, by PM head me towards the thread concerned? I feel certain that there must have been others on here who would have offered support. The responsible owner has every right to walk with their head upright!

Alec.

 

[WelshD]

I'm still really interested in the supposedly loaned horses

You would think it would be absolute media gold that some of the horses had other legal owners...

So we have loaned horses that were not visited (it seems) by several owners plus passports in other names that were apparently not picked up by the RSPCA and when it becomes public knowledge is not picked up by the media. Were these horses perhaps gifted rather than loaned? if loaned how are the owners not kicking up a stink publicly waving their loan agreements and asking for answers?

 

[DD]

Back in the late 60s and through the 70s there was a remarkable woman called Mrs. Gingell and she hunted the Cambridgeshire Harriers. She bought in Hunt Horses as they were needed and on the very rare occasion when she made a mistake, no horse was ever sold on or gifted. They were shot and fed to Hounds.

No criticism of you for assuring a peaceful end to a horse was justified. Your horse and so it was your choice. Could you, by PM head me towards the thread concerned? I feel certain that there must have been others on here who would have offered support. The responsible owner has every right to walk with their head upright!

Alec.

Thank you Alec for your sensible comment. It was some 6 years ago now that my horse was shot by the hunt. I knew at the time that I was doing the right thing. I dont feel any need to rake up the thread. But Thank You once again, I have always thought that you are a voice of reason on this forum

 

[honetpot]

I have loaned ponies out on numerous occasions, to people that I think are knowledgeable and sensible. No I do not visit every month, I may follow them though FB, PC, and never have this happen to anything that I have loaned. I have a BHS agreement and they get a grilling. I do not loan them out because they are a problem I do not want, the problems I keep.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ored-held-secret-cull-lied-animals-alive.html
I am astounded at these pictures, worse have gone through the sale at Leominster, and the RSPCA did nothing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv7GNiIaFzc&feature=related
Apparently they were fit to be sold.
http://www.worldhorsewelfare.org/Ar...-still-recovering-today-as-owner-is-sentenced

If any where mine I would be off to the Small Claims Court, with a Twitter agent.

 

[ester]

I'm still really interested in the supposedly loaned horses

You would think it would be absolute media gold that some of the horses had other legal owners...

So we have loaned horses that were not visited (it seems) by several owners plus passports in other names that were apparently not picked up by the RSPCA and when it becomes public knowledge is not picked up by the media. Were these horses perhaps gifted rather than loaned? if loaned how are the owners not kicking up a stink publicly waving their loan agreements and asking for answers?

I think we are only talking about khoomi with regards to being on loan.