RSPCA shoots 11 HEALTHY horses but claimed keep fees for months

[HashRouge]

She WAS very plausible, I agree. I never had any direct contact with her but I do remember her posting about her Arabs and her daughter, Evie, and I was very impressed with the work they'd done to produce Arabs that would actually DO something, rather than just look pretty. Add to that the fact that they won the very prestigious WAHO trophy with Taragun...they just seemed so legitimate! I know from working in the show jumping world than owners often go months without visiting their horses when they are with reputable riders, and I suppose this is the same.

 

[MotherOfChickens]

all the posts about this on the RSPCA page are now deleted-it was under a money appeal post. none of the posts I saw were rude, just questioning what happened.

 

[Indy]

Wasn't Cooper Wilson involved in the GG Centre incident where a horse was shot and then dumped in a woman's garden for not paying her livery

 

[ester]

Yes, and another incident with another owner and some pregnant mares that he shot.

 

[YasandCrystal]

Well I just hope no horse lover will ever give the RSPCA another penny again. I haven't for years. They are a waste of space as far as I am concerned. They remind me of social services, poking their nose where they should/need not and Ignoring genuine welfare cases.

 

[christine0810]

I sat in court for quite a lot of that trial for the Peels case, and I never wish to hear the horror stories I heard there again. Peel was plausible knowledgeable, and very very convincing. If anyone ever wanted to see their horses they were either told where they would be competing next or that they were so busy at the farm they couldn't possibly entertain visitors, always some excuse building work foaling training etc. The Mail on Sunday are responsible seasoned journalists with a proven track record in reporting honestly and truthfully. I have met one of them in the past few days and I can report they hope to run a follow up to the original article in the next week. The RSPCA had those horses for almost a year before any one knew where they were, at that point Peel was still posting about how well they all were even tot he point of telling one owner that their horse had just enjoyed his Christmas Day feed when he was already dead! Another person was told that their horse had just had its first gallop in the fields and that was also dead............that's how callous and uncaring she was! Oh by they way Rachelle if you are on here in your 'Tannis' disguise maybe you would like to come on here and tell the world what you did with little Alileo the colt you had from a friend of mine whose dam you sent back with rainscald? Bet you couldn't explain that but then you wouldn't because you sat there in court while the most revolting video of conditions at your place was played in front of you and you sat there smirking and thinking it was all very good fun............well it wasn't how people did not vomit I have no idea I came close a couple of times but those pictures will be burned into my brain forever! Her daughter was riding a stallion at a stallion parade just a few days before the farm was raided. I asked begged and pleaded with the RSPCA Inspector to tell me which horses they had in their care but she wouldn't and why because she knew before that case was heard they were all dead! It was only when the Mail on Sunday broke the story anyone realised what had happened to their horses, the reporter I spoke to and met with thought that people knew what had happened and when I informed him to the contrary he was shocked, he couldn't apologise enough for the distress the story caused. So please don't defend the Peels RSPCA to me because they are undefendable in my eyes

 

[Archangel]

I'm another one completely taken in by the Peels. I stood at the ringside at the Nationals as the beautiful brave Taragun collected her award. I thought what a lovely family, mum, dad and daughter. But even as that award was being presented that 'lovely dad' was on trial for leaving 67 sheep dead in the field. Talk about a double life. Rachelle Peel was such a regular on Arablianlines and we all followed the progress of her daughter and the stud. The stallion paraded at Burghley, the daughter went to Hartpury to further her eventing career etc etc etc.

The daughter's childhood pony Vlacq Tinwe, the incredible Taragun, the eventer Heron de la Forge and all the others - what a dream come true. But the dream is over and the horses were shot by the RSPCA - how could you live with that? Well by getting married and having a baby it seems. That is one hell of a bounce back.

 

[ester]

Christine, I think you are on AL too? In which case I want to thank you for coming over here to say what you know having obviously been very involved. I only caught up with this quite late on so I for one was not sure on the timelines/what they were posting when with regards to when the horses were taken and how people found out.

 

[Penny Less]

A thumbs up for the Mail for once !

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I want to thank Christine and Catherine for attending the court case and for talking to the journalists.

Here is the list of horses that were removed from the Peels. They are all listed with their stable names, not passport names.

William
Mouse
Delilah
Harley
Jules
George
Millie
Neville
Sydney (could have another name grey Arab x Appaloosa)
Legs
Taz (possibly Taragun)
Eve
Nancy (Twist Hoeves Nancy)
Molly
Midge
Shady
Khoomi
Cresh
Rita
Bumble (I know that one its a Welton bred daughter)
Winston (Shetland)
Freddie (Shetland)
Breeze
Coco (Cleveland Bay x)
Frodo (Cleveland Bay x)
Pip
Anna
Heron (Heron de la F

 

[christine0810]

Ester its actually my cousin Catherine who has done most of the posting on AL but I have taken over for the time being as she is dealing with family matters.

 

[christine0810]

William
Mouse
Delilah
Harley
Jules
George
Millie
Neville
Sydney (could have another name grey Arab x Appaloosa)
Legs
Taz (possibly Taragun)
Eve
Nancy (Twist Hoeves Nancy)
Molly
Midge
Shady
Khoomi
Cresh
Rita
Bumble (I know that one its a Welton bred daughter)
Winston (Shetland)
Freddie (Shetland)
Breeze
Coco (Cleveland Bay x)
Frodo (Cleveland Bay x)
Pip
Anna
Heron (Heron de la Forge)


Bumble was Bubblegum and I know she is safe and rehomed she is Welton Apollo daughter out of Broomhill Lady I know where she was bred and by whom and cannot for the life of me comprehend how they sold her to the Peel family.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Christine, do you know what happened to Sydney?

 

[Pinkvboots]

And what happened to Harley because he was at the parade shortly before and looked healthy and well?

Rachelle did speak to me once through Arabianlines as she had a half sibling related to my warmblood mare he was the image of her but I can't remember his name, all I know was he was dark bay about 16 hands I just hope he was sold on before all this happened

 

[cobgoblin]

all the posts about this on the RSPCA page are now deleted-it was under a money appeal post. none of the posts I saw were rude, just questioning what happened.

The posts on Facebook are still there, I've just looked at them.

 

[southerncomfort]

I've had a few non-horsey aquaintances ask me about this story today. All were absolutely shocked and sickened by the story.

Truly don't understand their actions, it it beyond comprehension.

 

[MotherOfChickens]

The posts on Facebook are still there, I've just looked at them.

yes, I've just re-found them thanks. They are sticking by the line that noone contacted them and that all horses seized were legally the Peel's.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Four top class horses featured on a post from 2010, by Tannis aka Rachelle Peel. Taragun, Harley, Nancy and Heron. All seized by the RSPCA.

What superb horses. I believe that all are now dead?

I'll try and post some - hope it works!!


The Pure Breds

The Talented and Beautiful Taragun (Shogun x Taretta) a 14.2 liver chestnut mare who had been a field ornament for over ten years before turning her hoof to eventing. Here she is partnered with (then) 12 year old daughter. Taragun was awarded World Horse Organisation Horse of the Year and received her award from the Hon Finn Guinness (owner of the incomparable Tamarillo)

Receiving the award

Having fun

And our pure bred stallion, Harley, Templars Orchestral Pearl (Last Crescendo x Templars Magic Pearl) who started this year. He's had a lot of set backs (long story that I won't bore you with) but suffice to say that due to mistreatment by a producer, he almost lost his life, had had a fractured pedal bone and a complete nervous breakdown. He has now recovered well enough (physically but more importanly, emotionally, to partner our now 15 year old daughter. Home bred on home bred, there is no better feeling in the whole wide world!!!!

The Part bred

Our little 14.2 part bred pony, Twist Hoeves Nancy (Kooihuster Folkert x Brukels Marabella). Nancy is now in foal to thHarley's sire so hoping for a little baby, high percentage sport pony next year

The Anglo


The most wonderful horse ever (if he was human, I'd marry him). The 16.3 French Anglo Arabe, Heron de la Forge (Prince Ig'Or x Isis). Again partnered by 15 year old Evie and competing JRN.


I love this photo - I call it "the look of love". They were placed at Milton Keynes Unaffiliated Event in the Open class with Evie being the youngest rider by many years. We honestly didn't think they'd made it into the placings and we were all thrilled to bits. But none of us quite as much as daughter

And here they are in action:

4 very different horses/ponies but all with a minimum 40% Arab blood


Flying the Flag for Arabian bloodlines

 

[Rollin]

I assume the RSPCA will return passports to the PIO's as they are bound to do under Passport Legislation. Will Trading Standards be asked to investigate ownership? because if the Peels had not paid required fees to the PIO and registered as new owners, this too is an offence. Although a passport is not 'proof' of ownership they should have a signature from the previous owners if they were passed to the Peels.

 

[AmieeT]

RSPCA have said that the passports they have all got Peel named as Owner.

Think they'd argue the sky is green judging by my twitter replies.

 

[Alec Swan]

RSPCA have said that the passports they have all got Peel named as Owner.

Think they'd argue the sky is green judging by my twitter replies.

Interesting, can you supply irrefutable evidence of their quote?

Alec.

 

[MotherOfChickens]

Interesting, can you supply irrefutable evidence of their quote?

Alec.

Alec-it also states it here

http://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/statement/0615_2

 

[AmieeT]

No Alec, I can't. Can't accuse them of lying either because perhaps they never had passports for them. Should probably clarify that's not the point I'm arguing with them.

MoC, that's the link they keep referring me to. Doesn't answer any of my questions, but they keep giving me the link. Same one that my friend who works for them sent over facebook to me when I shared the Daily Fail (or not, in the case!) article.

 

[EstherYoung]

The Arab horse society stamp the passports if the change of ownership is done properly. There will also be an accompanying registration certificate which will be signed and stamped by the ahs.

 

[HashRouge]

What beautiful, talented horse. I can't believe it ended like this!

 

[Flame_]

The younger horses would still have been many £££s worth of horse, besides the fact all the horses had people who wanted them. Whoever authorised this is at least a bloody fool or quite possibly a fool and a criminal if they've only done it to swindle some livery fees for all this will cost the charity in terms of reputation and income. What a waste of lovely, quality horses, and so much unnecessary sadness caused to their connections.

They really can't get away with blocking attempts from the breed society to offer the horses experienced arab homes. That's indefensible. Plenty of the horses were still alive at that point, weren't they?

 

[DD]

I assume the RSPCA will return passports to the PIO's as they are bound to do under Passport Legislation. Will Trading Standards be asked to investigate ownership? because if the Peels had not paid required fees to the PIO and registered as new owners, this too is an offence. Although a passport is not 'proof' of ownership they should have a signature from the previous owners if they were passed to the Peels.

^^^
this
Trading Standards need to be involved.

 

[Alec Swan]

No Alec, I can't. Can't accuse them of lying either because perhaps they never had passports for them. Should probably clarify that's not the point I'm arguing with them.

…….. .

I understand that AmieeT. My point is that however the ethics employed by the rspca must be open to questioning (considering the requests for information by, and the offers of help from, the AHS), if the rspca are to be compelled to conform, then it needs to be done on the basis of Law. There seems to be a considerable level of confusion over what's factual and what's hearsay.

The question of Law hinges around the 'ownership' of the horses concerned. It seems to me, gleaning what I can from this interesting thread, that whilst the 'claimed' owners-loaners of the horses had some level of responsibility, with the AHS offering homes to those horses, so ownership couldn't be transferred to those who offered help, any more than it could to those who confiscated the horses.

Others on this thread are well aware of the 'facts', so is it 'known', whether those horses which were in the care of the Peels, had been 'loaned' or 'gifted'? If they were loaned then they weren't the property of the Peels and so not theirs to give away, and similarly, it wasn't the place of those who appeared to confiscate them, to assume ownership and so to put them down.

If the horses at the centre of this were the property of the Peels, then apart from criticism of the rspca, then nothing can be done. If the horses were on loan to the Peels then at no time did the Peels or the rspca have any rights of ownership. It would appear, from the rspca quote below and offered by M_O_C, that the horses were the property of the Peels, and so the rspca refute the suggestion that they had no right of acceptance.

http://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/statement/0615_2

The simple question for those who are more aware than the rest is; Were any of the horses taken by the rspca out on 'loan' to the Peels, or were they the 'property' of the Peels, and so theirs to dispose of as they pleased? The question of 'ownership' remains, and it also remains that when the question of ownership is established, then the question of culpability regarding the rspca will also be answered.

Alec.

 

[DD]

The Arab Horse Society phone number is 01672 521411
I suggest ringing them asking for registrations and seeing if the passports have been returned.

 

[Alec Swan]

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Trading Standards need to be involved.

TS should have been heading the enquiry at the outset, a point which I've already raised. The initial complaint was of dead horses being left to rot, and failing to dispose of fallen stock is a criminal offence and it would (and always is), the responsibility of TS to deal with, not a charity which would purport to protect animals from cruelty. It's quite possible that the dead horse(s) found didn't die of either neglect or cruelty. A failure to collect and dispose of fallen stock is a criminal offence and irrefutably is the responsibility of Trading Standards, so why did they not act?

The CPS and now TS seem to be passing over their responsibilities to a charity which has no legal jurisdiction, and it's wrong that they do so. The State supplies unbiased and controlled administrators, and it's their duty to deal with those who break the Laws. The CPS and TS have an obligation, when prosecuting, to provide evidence which is clear of bias, which mostly they do. It seems that the rspca don't operate under such constraints.

Alec.