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MerrySherryRider

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Read the local press. Even I know what you're charged with.
Don't worry about the police and rspca needing to raid my property with vans and back up for the immediate removal of my animals. I don't.
 

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dymented, listen carefully to me;

This Forum is not a Court. The Court to which you will either apply, or face, will be the arbitrator, should you release or reveal information which will either assist your accusers or damage your own claim, then you will only have yourself to blame.

There are those who will goad you. For your own safety, you should ignore them.

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Oh I think we can be reasonably certain that the RSPCA have got the evidence to convict, Alec, they have a 98 per cent conviction rate, after all :)
I wonder what the overall success rate is of the CPS. I wonder if the Courts accept at face value, the evidence offered by the Police. I wonder if those same Courts, considering such a high success rate, accept the evidence offered by a group of people who have no established authority and who have no more than the rights of the common man and who, apart from a self proclaiming level of knowledge and experience, have little in the way of worthwhile contribution.

It's an interesting observation that when contradicted by those professionals who's opinion a Court would be more likely to accept, then the rspca become strangely quiet! I would find it worrying, from the standpoint of justice, if any Magistrate accepted the word or opinion of unqualified laymen, and simply because their thoughts were utterances. In fact, I would find it unthinkable that any Magistrate could be so reliant or have such a preformed notion of honesty. Would you agree?

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CPS conviction rate is more like 50 per cent I think.

Magistrates are trained to evaluate evidence. Where the evidence presented is one word against another, they have to make a judgement as to whose word is to be believed. In RSPCA cases, though, there are usually photographs and or reports from vets and/or experienced animal trainers.

I can assure you that unless they are able to provide corroborated evidence of the charges against Dymented, he will be found not guilty. They believe they have evidence of him being involved in dog fighting. I look forward to finding out what that evidence is.
 

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CPS conviction rate is more like 50 per cent I think.

…….. . I look forward to finding out what that evidence is.
That's an interesting Stat. I would be surprised to learn that the rspca are any more diligent, or have greater resources than the Police in sourcing and presenting evidence, which must lead us to the conclusion that where the question of 'balance' occurs, the evidence from a charity would, again 'on balance', be accepted before that of an accepted authority. I can't see any other reason.

That's all by the by. I too look forward to seeing the evidence, and whilst I remain sitting on the fence, I've viewed the photographs which have been displayed by the rspca, and can assure you that with the possible exception of what would appear to be a Patterdale Terrier, NOT ONE of the dogs, most of which were elderly, could ever be considered as being a 'working' dog. Dog fight contestants are purpose bred and sourced 'types' if not breeds, and the OP's dogs simply don't fall in to this category. The rspca will be very well aware of the 'types' of dogs used as they probably have more experience of this revolting practice, than most, so claiming that those dogs which they've confiscated, would be suitable, is nonsense. Even the Patterdale, though clearly a work bred dog, simply wouldn't last five minutes amongst such creatures. Perhaps there are other dogs, dogs which none of us are aware of. Presumably the evidence includes irrefutable film, or those who having taken an oath, witnessed the event.

If the OP has been less than honest in his denial of the charges, then I will lead the charge of those who would condemn him. As you say, we'll have to wait and see!

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I was just about to post saying exactly what Alec has said about the dogs in question.

It's all a bit of a puzzle and I too will be most interested to hear the evidence of the RSPCA.

I am also a little confused because the report posted by Fiona doesn't actually mention dog fighting - it talks of animal fighting. I am not at all clear what the charges actually mean.
 

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Oh I think we can be reasonably certain that the RSPCA have got the evidence to convict, Alec, they have a 98 per cent conviction rate, after all :)
i could spend all day looking for information on how the rspca fabricate stuff or blow things well out of proportion here are 4 convictions all over turned after they found out the rspca well erm i ll leave it for you to read as a judge isn't as gullible
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/dad-attacks-rspca-cruelty-conviction-2340833

http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk...n-overturned/story-16363900-detail/story.html

http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/six-cleared-of-badger-hunt-1-164842

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/pets/10149908/The-RSPCA-made-US-feel-like-criminals.html
 

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Just looked at your first link regarding Jess. Poor dog was indeed returned to her owners after being photographed repeatedly hurling the dog into the sea. Her owners have recently been back in court because of Jess's repeated attacks on other dogs. Tell me,do you think, are these the sort of people who should own any animal ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ones-caught-throwing-pet-dog-sea-Exmouth.htmlhttp://www.exmouthjournal.co.uk/mob..._dog_to_be_muzzled_in_public_places_1_3728649http://jack-russells.net/magistrates-order-dog-to-be-muzzled-in-public-places
 

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Ah, then there's your second link. One of the terriers used that night has never been found, and one of the gang of eight men didn't contest his conviction as he was already in prison for assaulting his partner. Nice.
 

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Just looked at your 3rd link and picked out the first example. Have you seen the pictures of the GS ? After the dog suffered an allergic reaction to shampoo for fleas, she then repeated the treatment some time after and two weeks later had still not taken the dog to a vet. It has open sores all over it's back,it must have been in agony.

Any more links of suffering animals you want to post, Dymented ?
 

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Just looked at your 3rd link and picked out the first example. Have you seen the pictures of the GS ? After the dog suffered an allergic reaction to shampoo for fleas, she then repeated the treatment some time after and two weeks later had still not taken the dog to a vet. It has open sores all over it's back,it must have been in agony.

Any more links of suffering animals you want to post, Dymented ?
Two weeks after the second wash :eek3: awful :(
 

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dymented, listen carefully to me;

This Forum is not a Court. The Court to which you will either apply, or face, will be the arbitrator, should you release or reveal information which will either assist your accusers or damage your own claim, then you will only have yourself to blame.
Dymented, I seriously back up Alec's advice to be very careful what you say. You've mentioned several times that your solicitor has asked you not to discuss the case and I think it's very unwise to carry on posting.

I think it was foolish to start this thread in the first place, as is the whole of your internet campaign against the RSPCA considering that you're involved in ongoing court cases. However, now the thread exists other people here will want to discuss what's been said so far, and appears in the press, but if I were you I'd keep out of the thread.

Posting random links to other newspaper stories where people allege the RSPCA acted badly doesn't actually say anything about your situation, or your or the RSPCA's guilt. Also when the links show stories about people (see MerrySherryRider's comments) who appear to be animal abusers, you do yourself no favours.

You can't do any good posting on this thread, and it could backfire on you by jeopardizing your case, as Alec says. If you win your cases (which you surely will if the RSPCA have, as you say, no evidence), you are welcome to come and tell all you told us so. Until then, you'd be well advised to step back from the keyboard, for your own good.
 

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I do apologise i wont post any more unless i have news the links i posted were to show that the convictions were over turned because of the rspca misleading and fabricated evidence some still believe they don't do that sort of thing
 

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I didn't post anything at the time because as others said,I didn't think it wise to be discussing an ongoing case but I would think that it should have been sorted now. Does anybody know the outcome?
 

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Considering the previous statements which you made, and assuming them to be truthful, I'm staggered that the rspca persevered with your case. The sad thing of course, is that they are in a win-win situation. Should they be stupid enough to appeal the decision which has been handed down, then they will continue to use their failures as a path to the gathering in of further funds via the donations route. Win-win!!

Well done you. In your shoes and considering that your in-court support was diminished, I'd be tempted to appeal the existing decision, and apply for the judgement to be overturned, no matter how lenient it may have 'appeared' to be.

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I think you now need to get the media involved, its been to court and unless they appeal you can have your say. I would put all the evidence you have together have a google and find out which TV programs would be interested in your story, you have done an amazing job at defending yourself.
 

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There's also the contentious point that the only charge which the judge moved on, was the question of failing to seek veterinary advice for a dog which was injured. Had your Vet been present at the hearing, and had he confirmed that your own treatment was satisfactory, then that charge would have been thrown out too! It is not an offence to fail to seek veterinary advice in the case of injury, providing that the owner's treatment is considered to be satisfactory.

I'm left wondering if those posters who had you guilty and banned from keeping dogs, and before the case, are about to post and accept that they were wrong! You never know, you may even get an apology or two, but I wouldn't hold your breath! :D

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There's also the contentious point that the only charge which the judge moved on, was the question of failing to seek veterinary advice for a dog which was injured. Had your Vet been present at the hearing, and had he confirmed that your own treatment was satisfactory, then that charge would have been thrown out too! It is not an offence to fail to seek veterinary advice in the case of injury, providing that the owner's treatment is considered to be satisfactory.

I'm left wondering if those posters who had you guilty and banned from keeping dogs, and before the case, are about to post and accept that they were wrong! You never know, you may even get an apology or two, but I wouldn't hold your breath! :D

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That last bit might not help some people that may be thinking about apologising! ;)

Dymented, I said from the start that if I was wrong, I'd hold my hands up and apologise, so I am. Animal cruelty is an emotive subject and as I've said before in here, I got a bit carried away. I'm glad you had a good result in court and that you'll be getting your dogs back and I wish you luck in your own case.
 

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That last bit might not help some people that may be thinking about apologising! ;)

Dymented, I said from the start that if I was wrong, I'd hold my hands up and apologise, so I am. Animal cruelty is an emotive subject and as I've said before in here, I got a bit carried away. I'm glad you had a good result in court and that you'll be getting your dogs back and I wish you luck in your own case.
 

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I never commented on this thread but did keep abreast of it, its terrifying how a so called charity can behave and persecute people, ive never had any time for the RSPCA on the odd occasions Ive rung them in the past they have been found wanting.

I found a prone comatose badger in our hayshed and called the RSPCA because if we had despatched it we might have been liable for prosecution, the officer who came out fired 4 or 5 shots to the skull and then took it away in a bin bag. I asked him if he would test it for TB and he said" do badgers get TB", I did a double take and he was serious.

Im glad you cleared your name OP, no one should have to go through what youve been through, I hope the RSPCA are held accountable as they do seem to think they are fireproof.

Please get this out into the wider public, it might stop someone else less fortunate than yourself having to go through this.
 
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I'm another who has been sitting on the side lines not knowing what to think. I am absolutely delighted that the OP has got justice. So often it goes the other way for want of the defendant being able to afford the best lawyers, etc. to match the opposition. I believe it is also a major triumph for British justice. David and Goliath. Yes, the media are going to be interested in this. If I was in the OP's situation, I'd be getting myself an agent and seeking the advice of organisations like the Countryside Alliance before running to the Press. It is also a major victory for field sports and the freedom of the individual.
 
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