Run & spin... Would you buy?

Nope run away. You haven't dealt with it before and what if it can't be sorted? You have then got a terror on your hands that you can't sell on. Find something else what about a highland? They are usually laid back. Might get a young one for your budget.
 
you would be unlikely to get a young, backed highland for under 2k, they come with their own set of foibles however.. many of the lines nowadays are extremely sharp. In many ways I prefer the fact you can read a welsh d like a book and anticipate what is going to happen and a lot of the time they are all talk; with a highland they are often masters at lulling you into a false sense of security, giving no warning signs and then depositing you on the floor :D I wouldn’t be looking at anything breed specific, just look for something nice that doesn’t already have an established trick up it’s sleeve and be aware that anything at 5 / 6 will more than likely still try a few new tricks, especially if it’s native ime :D
 
I agree, in your position I would go for an Irish type! Or a New forest, they tend to be cheap and are lovely, you might get an oversize that's big enough.

I've ridden a few Welsh Ds and have found them really difficult to get honestly in front of the leg, and being behind the leg makes it so much easier for them to spook/spin. Some people absolutely love them, but for a quiet family horse, not sure I could be bothered :p
 
My welsh X used to spin and Buck at the same time and he was as sharp as a tack if you gave him an inch but 15 yrs on and he is worth his weight in gold and I trust him with my life, his cleverness has gotten us out of many a jam
 
Mine isn't Welsh but he does have the spin and run trick up his sleeve if he's in that sort of mood. I can usually tell when it's one of those days, and nip him in the bud - but not every time.

It's not something I'd like in a new horse, so personally I'd look elsewhere if I were you. Why buy a known problem unless you're actively looking for a project?
 
Well it's all about what floats your boat, I suppose, but having bought a 5 yr old connie mare by Templebready Fear Bui, my daughter had a fab time with her and we sold her for 3 x the price. Our lovely 14.2 connie x TB was bought as a 5 year old for £3,250 and was sold to a lovely home for more than 3 times the price when outgrown having taken daughter to the PC champs senior HT as a 13 year old (daughter not pony) done 2 years of FEI pony trials and competed in the main arena at Scope. so for us the potential was realised. Much more to the point both ponies were fab to hack, went to pc camps were fantastic to handle etc. Sadly the welsh pb neither gave us pleasure or profit so I admit to being very biased!
FfionWinnie said:
Well there seems to be 1k added on top of normal horse price for "potential" and another 1k just because it's a Connie. Never had one myself as I like the mystique of the Welsh too much ;)
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My native has the run and spin in him too. I'm not the best or bravest rider by any stretch of the imagination - but, with time and consistency he does it so much less (plus all his other evasive tricks have for the most part disseapered too), it's now a rarity.

He isn't Welsh - but can be fiesty, opinionated, sensitive and has a lot of presence so is often mistaken for one :D He's taken a long time to mature, but he's turning into such a fun horse who makes me smile every time I sit on him - so for me, it's been utterly worth it.

Whether you can or want to put up with it, depends on you. I have spent more on lessons than it cost to purchase him though - so do bear that in mind :)
 
Mine tried this tactic initially too. Think he's done it out hacking when being a div a total of 3 times. I sat it out and didn't make a big deal about it. He'd spook, spin and run and i'd sit still, bring him back to a walk and turn him around. Then he'd have to walk past whatever was scaring him anyway, so he soon realised it wasn't worth it. Now he just gets abit on his toes when he's scared/nervous as opposed to literally trying to 180 and run away!

ETA: I've seen the ad for the pony you're talking about and without sounding mean, the rider by no means looks professional so I think it'd be worth a look to see if you could handle him.
 
No chance! Life's too short to buy a problem (my Welsh D doesn't spin or run off, but is mature). Those saying the have one that does it- did you know that before you bought them? Touch wood never had a spinner as our work tends to train them out of it before they learn but not for me ta.
 
Nappy Croc said:
No chance! Life's too short to buy a problem (my Welsh D doesn't spin or run off, but is mature). Those saying the have one that does it- did you know that before you bought them? Touch wood never had a spinner as our work tends to train them out of it before they learn but not for me ta.
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Nope, didn't know he did it before I got him as place he was at previously didn't really have any hacking so tried him on a limited hack (through some fields) where I guess nothing was particularly spooky to him!
Tbh, I would still have bought him if I had known as it wasn't and isn't a problem for me. He's a talented jumper and that's what I bought him for. Fortunately, with a consistent reaction to him being daft, he's grown out of it it seems!

I wouldn't buy one that I couldn't pull up afterwards though. Mine has never got more than a stride or two away from me before I have regained control, which is easy to do.
 
It wouldn't put me off going to see him and possibly buying him. The drama queen spin and maybe run/threaten to run seems to be endemic in the Welshies. I do a beautiful 5yr old section C mare who does the spin and maybe shoot one step or two but it's not all the time and it's usually at silly things. When it comes to meeting big traffic etc she's a diamond. Our D mare can do the same and the D gelding I was doing until last year. I do find Welshies are like marmite though. You love them or you hate them. Personally I love them and wouldn't be without them. I wouldn't class it as a problem horse myself but if it's the one I've seen adverts for on facebook and preloved you can tell by the photos the rider is scared of him. He may well just be taking advantage
 
NeverEver said:
you would be unlikely to get a young, backed highland for under 2k, they come with their own set of foibles however.. many of the lines nowadays are extremely sharp. In many ways I prefer the fact you can read a welsh d like a book and anticipate what is going to happen and a lot of the time they are all talk; with a highland they are often masters at lulling you into a false sense of security, giving no warning signs and then depositing you on the floor :D I wouldn’t be looking at anything breed specific, just look for something nice that doesn’t already have an established trick up it’s sleeve and be aware that anything at 5 / 6 will more than likely still try a few new tricks, especially if it’s native ime :D
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I couldn't agree more regarding the Highland pony.
 
oldie48 said:
Well it's all about what floats your boat, I suppose, but having bought a 5 yr old connie mare by Templebready Fear Bui, my daughter had a fab time with her and we sold her for 3 x the price. Our lovely 14.2 connie x TB was bought as a 5 year old for £3,250 and was sold to a lovely home for more than 3 times the price when outgrown having taken daughter to the PC champs senior HT as a 13 year old (daughter not pony) done 2 years of FEI pony trials and competed in the main arena at Scope. so for us the potential was realised. Much more to the point both ponies were fab to hack, went to pc camps were fantastic to handle etc. Sadly the welsh pb neither gave us pleasure or profit so I admit to being very biased!
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The op has 1.5k to spend.

I bought my current and previous Welsh for 1.5k and could easily have sold both of them for a huge profit within a few months.

It's horses for courses. She has a small budget, if she's a decent rider who can get a tune out a horse which may not even be difficult, when it comes down to it, it's worth a look.
 
Nappy Croc said:
No chance! Life's too short to buy a problem (my Welsh D doesn't spin or run off, but is mature). Those saying the have one that does it- did you know that before you bought them? Touch wood never had a spinner as our work tends to train them out of it before they learn but not for me ta.
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Yes I did know and used the fact to beat the price down from the 3.5k advert (and what was paid for the horse previously) to 1.5k.

It did not say in the advert tho, and the owner was only honest when I specifically asked what "enjoys hacking in company" meant exactly.

The current one was completely insane on the surface and demonstrated all that at the viewing. However, she has not once repeated the behaviour I saw that day, in the ten months I've now owned her, and I've pushed her to the limit to know that she never will, with me anyway. It really was that simple.
 
For what it's worth my connie has a great spin, in general doesn't go far once facing the other way, but boy is he quick and I know his right shoulder quite well as he always goes to the left. In general I am ok at walk, but if he does it in trot I've had it, even my instructor who rides alsorts, but mainly big dressage types says she hasn't meet many who can spin as fast as him. He has got better with age.
 
There are a lot of young unbacked / freshly backed horses of chunky build out there under 1500 who don't have known issues. You are unlikely jelly to get anything well schooled or established for that price but you can at least get one without established bad habits. If the one you are looking at is exceptional quality and you have plans for future showing or sale at a profit maybe it's worth the chance, but if you just want something you can enjoy to keep for the long term then why start with one with known issues? Dragon driving 1000-2000 page has loads that sound like they are currently without bad habits and would fit the list you gave if you aren't set on having known native breeding.
 
I think 1.5K is far too much for a Welsh D with issues. My daughter has recently (Oct) bought a rising 5 Irish mare who was 15.1hh but is growing like a weed, nice conformation, medium weight, hacks, schools, sane and easy and cost £1500 with a saddle. I'd keep looking :) She is a peculiar colour though.
 
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