tigers_eye
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Toytown? Or wasn't hi rider amatuer?
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Bossanova
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But if Grinder had been eventing this year he may have done 19 again, that isnt wrong though, obviously works for him.
My plan is also subject to ground (maybe I said my original post wrong) all plans are subject to ground etc
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He did run at all 19, in the last two months he ran pretty much once a week. It proved very beneficial as his results and attitude improved very rapidly.
He wouldnt have needed to run so much this year but running a lot last year certainly had no physical or mental drawbacks.
Every horse is so different, some dont need the competition miles but can have their work consolidated at home whilst others need to get out there and learn 'on the job'
But if Grinder had been eventing this year he may have done 19 again, that isnt wrong though, obviously works for him.
My plan is also subject to ground (maybe I said my original post wrong) all plans are subject to ground etc
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He did run at all 19, in the last two months he ran pretty much once a week. It proved very beneficial as his results and attitude improved very rapidly.
He wouldnt have needed to run so much this year but running a lot last year certainly had no physical or mental drawbacks.
Every horse is so different, some dont need the competition miles but can have their work consolidated at home whilst others need to get out there and learn 'on the job'
Nickymac
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I had a look and he only had three outings in April and May 1999 before Zara got him, and she started with him in June 2000. Think of another one
icestationzebra
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I'm with you on that. I can't afford to enter to then withdraw
I've only got tickets for this year because I knew we wouldn't be ready for the early events and I won't run on hard ground - so I have 4 events to 'handpick' for this year.
BBs
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But if Grinder had been eventing this year he may have done 19 again, that isnt wrong though, obviously works for him.
My plan is also subject to ground (maybe I said my original post wrong) all plans are subject to ground etc
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Grinder isnt 5 years old tho.
But if Grinder had been eventing this year he may have done 19 again, that isnt wrong though, obviously works for him.
My plan is also subject to ground (maybe I said my original post wrong) all plans are subject to ground etc
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Grinder isnt 5 years old tho.
H-J
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Who is then? I didnt think this was a personal attack!
Im not fighting my corner im just debating about horses running more then others
H-J
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What is the problem anyway, my horse is happy, she has run 5 times so far this year, there is nothing wrong with that.
If we get to the end of the season and I have still run 3 times a month on hard ground then fair enough im in the wrong, but until then I have done nothing "wrong" with my horse
If we get to the end of the season and I have still run 3 times a month on hard ground then fair enough im in the wrong, but until then I have done nothing "wrong" with my horse
Bossanova
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But if Grinder had been eventing this year he may have done 19 again, that isnt wrong though, obviously works for him.
My plan is also subject to ground (maybe I said my original post wrong) all plans are subject to ground etc
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Grinder isnt 5 years old tho.
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No, he was a young 6 (bday is in November) and he had raced over in Oz
I dont think you should run the legs off babies but thats more for their mental state than anything else imho, once theyre 5 they can cope with the physical demands of running regularly at PN/later on at novice so long as theyre well prepared and fit.
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But if Grinder had been eventing this year he may have done 19 again, that isnt wrong though, obviously works for him.
My plan is also subject to ground (maybe I said my original post wrong) all plans are subject to ground etc
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Grinder isnt 5 years old tho.
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No, he was a young 6 (bday is in November) and he had raced over in Oz
I dont think you should run the legs off babies but thats more for their mental state than anything else imho, once theyre 5 they can cope with the physical demands of running regularly at PN/later on at novice so long as theyre well prepared and fit.
H-J
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Thank you. I didnt realise Grinder was that young.
Spider is very well formed and muscled and can cope with running PN 2-3 times a month in the season, and just doing BSJA on a surface when the ground is too hard July/August
Spider is very well formed and muscled and can cope with running PN 2-3 times a month in the season, and just doing BSJA on a surface when the ground is too hard July/August
BBs
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Your horses are 5 arent they?
Didnt say it was a personal attack, because i dont agree with *your decision* on running *babies* at so many events throughout the season doesnt mean its an attack on you.
However, if you wish to feel its an attack on you so be it. I personally wouldnt run my horse at 19 events either, but i dont think Boss feels im personally attacker her. Or perhaps she does, then if so she can have it out with me on saturday.
Didnt say it was a personal attack, because i dont agree with *your decision* on running *babies* at so many events throughout the season doesnt mean its an attack on you.
However, if you wish to feel its an attack on you so be it. I personally wouldnt run my horse at 19 events either, but i dont think Boss feels im personally attacker her. Or perhaps she does, then if so she can have it out with me on saturday.
H-J
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Yes my horses are 5, so that means it is personal!
It doesnt bother me, I know what I am doing for them is right, and not every one can agree. But I think people should agree to disagree rather then telling people what to do.
We all know our horses better then anyone else, who we may have spoken to a couple of times on a forum. So we are the best judge of how many times to run them
It doesnt bother me, I know what I am doing for them is right, and not every one can agree. But I think people should agree to disagree rather then telling people what to do.
We all know our horses better then anyone else, who we may have spoken to a couple of times on a forum. So we are the best judge of how many times to run them
BBs
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I dont think ive told you what to do with your horses, Ive mearly stated I dont agree with running young horses on this sort of ground so often.
And it seems im not the only one.
And it seems im not the only one.
severnmiles
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Isn't the 'speed kills' comment referring to the way you do your canter work eg. doing canter work up steep hills(if you're lucky enough to have fields that are as steep as mountains!) and working slowly so the horse is using itself rather than going for a gallop on the flat and calling it a work out.
H-J
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I have bought up many young horses, to a VERY high standard, and *touch wood*!! Have NEVER had a horse go lame from any leg problems or anything so I obvioulsy take very good care of them.
If I didnt care and run babies on any ground they would have had many leg problems but they havent. And as YET I have NOT run on any hard ground this year, so there is no problem!! *If* I do run on hard/bad ground then fair enough but I havent and I wont
If I didnt care and run babies on any ground they would have had many leg problems but they havent. And as YET I have NOT run on any hard ground this year, so there is no problem!! *If* I do run on hard/bad ground then fair enough but I havent and I wont
KatB
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HJ I dont think anyone is having a personal pop at you, it is just people have strong views and have disagreements.
Just out of interest, what would you class as a very high standard? Everyone has ideas about how horses *should* be managed, just look at most pro riders, very few work their horses in the same way, and all have different opinions on the best way to bring on young horses....
Just out of interest, what would you class as a very high standard? Everyone has ideas about how horses *should* be managed, just look at most pro riders, very few work their horses in the same way, and all have different opinions on the best way to bring on young horses....
H-J
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I mean a high standard as in the shine on their coats, they are always glowing with health, happy horses. Well muscled, bright outlook, well developed top lines and happy when working and working to a standard appropriate for their age.
Anybody that knows me wouldnt fault the way I have produced horses. And usually the before and after pictures are amazing!
But we all have different views on what to do with young horses.
Anybody that knows me wouldnt fault the way I have produced horses. And usually the before and after pictures are amazing!
But we all have different views on what to do with young horses.
H-J
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Not saying that anybody who has had a horse with an injury didnt take care of them!
Just saying that if I run my horses too often and on bad ground they wouldnt have held up and they always have done. Touch wood!
Just saying that if I run my horses too often and on bad ground they wouldnt have held up and they always have done. Touch wood!
jellybaby
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HJ
When you look at other people who have young horses that event they just seem to be out less than you thats all - but if it works for you, then thats great - it will be a waiting game I guess to see how these young horses will cope as they get older.
However, Id be inclined to listen to those on this forum who do know what they are talking about - Tigers Eye et al as they are the ones that have got to a VERY high level obviously know how to produce a horse to a VERY high level - but then I guess its all about what you determine as a high level - for me, it would be 3* plus, for others, Novice .. but then we are all different.
Good Luck
JB
When you look at other people who have young horses that event they just seem to be out less than you thats all - but if it works for you, then thats great - it will be a waiting game I guess to see how these young horses will cope as they get older.
However, Id be inclined to listen to those on this forum who do know what they are talking about - Tigers Eye et al as they are the ones that have got to a VERY high level obviously know how to produce a horse to a VERY high level - but then I guess its all about what you determine as a high level - for me, it would be 3* plus, for others, Novice .. but then we are all different.
Good Luck
JB
KatB
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Cool, wasnt meant if youu meant high level comp or looking well, and I personally arent faulting you, as you yourself have said, everyone has different opinions! I respect alot of tp eventers, doesnt mean I would produce my horse in the same way!
Am sure you are the same.
Nickymac
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As Thistle said, their legs only have so many miles in them, so it's up to you to decide when you want to inflict the wear and tear on them. It's only later in life that you find out how many miles they've got in them when you're running out of miles!
H-J
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How have they been out less then me? I have only run 5 times this season, is that alot for a 5yr old? I dont think it is.
And I agree T_E has ridden to a very high level, but I dont think she has actuall agreed or disagreed with me or any one else on this debate.
I am shocked you all think this
There is no way they get over worked or over run at all! Maybe I seem to be competing more then others as I have the funds to do this, this isnt wrong though at all.
And I agree T_E has ridden to a very high level, but I dont think she has actuall agreed or disagreed with me or any one else on this debate.
I am shocked you all think this
jellybaby
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I have bought up many young horses, to a VERY high standard,
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Sorry, I (and I'm sure others) took that to mean that you have brought them up to a certain level of training and competing, not the shine on their coats! My old mare broken and retired is obviously a VERY high standard as she is gleaming!!!
JB xx
I have bought up many young horses, to a VERY high standard,
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Sorry, I (and I'm sure others) took that to mean that you have brought them up to a certain level of training and competing, not the shine on their coats! My old mare broken and retired is obviously a VERY high standard as she is gleaming!!!
JB xx
jellybaby
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Well, I guess you are very lucky then to have the funds to do so. Thats a bit tactless to say though - it kind of echos as "spoilt little rich girl stamping her foot"
Take it from those who are older, wiser, and probably poorer.
JB xx
Take it from those who are older, wiser, and probably poorer.
JB xx
Nickymac
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Definitely, I was thinking about what Thistle said and I'd rather do interval training in an arena than go galloping on the flat. I did that last year before Hartpury and Hector was more than fit enough. Also, if they're fit enough they carry themselves better round a course, are lighter on their feet and cope better with the fences, so you'd think they'd stay sound for longer.
H-J
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No I didnt mean just competing crikey I have only competed at Novice level BE and elementary Dressage! But I think the way their coats are, how they work etc gives a good incling into how they are produced and feeling etc.
It is difficult to get babies of 4yrs old and some 17.3hh !! Looking good, its the right work, feed etc that keeps them looking well and well muscled
It is difficult to get babies of 4yrs old and some 17.3hh !! Looking good, its the right work, feed etc that keeps them looking well and well muscled
tigers_eye
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Don't say things like that jellybaby, you can guarentee it means I'll fall face-first in the next cow-pat that comes along! It's very flattering, but honestly there are tonnes of horses out there that look better than mine. Mine are out most of the time, never get groomed (except before a show, everyone is always under strict instructions NOT to pat their bottoms), they go for hoonies round the woods and don't get too much schooling (which is probably why I don't get great dressage marks). Liberty is the first horse I've BE'd with selling in mind and I find it quite tiring being out that often! TBH though, I probably would have had him out that often even if I was keeping him as he doesn't have a huge amount of self-confidence. That's come in the last two runs though, so if he doesn't sell he'll go up a level and out less often for the rest of the year. It feels like I've done loads this season with him, and actually he's done 6 events, which averages at 2 per month.
H-J
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Im not saying that at all!!!! I am not spoilt I pay for things myself from working all day very hard!!
Im just saying that is maybe why I compete a little more then some others. Nothing to do with me over competing them
Im just saying that is maybe why I compete a little more then some others. Nothing to do with me over competing them
H-J
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I have done 5, but I think people think that is too much
KatB
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HollyJane, I like you and respect what you do with your horse. HOWEVER, I think you have misunderstood what people are getting at. I personally would not run my horse as many times as you propose to do regardless of money. That is my opinion, because the horse is for me, and I dont see the need to run that regularly when they are at the beginning of their career.
However, you do, there is no problem with that, and that is your descision. Dont take things so personally, it was started as a discussion, some people agree on one side, otehrs on another, no one is having a personal go at you, we are just sharing or experiences and as a result pinions on he situation, not on you as a person, or criticising you.
However, you do, there is no problem with that, and that is your descision. Dont take things so personally, it was started as a discussion, some people agree on one side, otehrs on another, no one is having a personal go at you, we are just sharing or experiences and as a result pinions on he situation, not on you as a person, or criticising you.
Nickymac
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Take it from those who are older, wiser, and probably poorer.
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I'm definitely two of those three things, but the older I get the more I appreciate how little I know!
Take it from those who are older, wiser, and probably poorer.
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I'm definitely two of those three things, but the older I get the more I appreciate how little I know!