Sarcoid - the toothpaste experiment

[kaiserchief]

Saby, I'd be more than happy to send you photos if this treatment works. I applied neem and crest toothpaste to Kai's sarcoids for the first time yesterday (after 3 months of bloodroot cream prescribed by the very failed to shift them) and this morning a chunk was missing from the biggest one and a small nodular one was much more raisin-ey. I'm feeling pretty hopeful!

I have photos from before any treatment started and weekly from then on out.

 

[kaiserchief]

Very = vet...I'm on my phone so can't edit.

 

[JackAT]

Excellent idea, but unfortunately won't work on my boy. He kicks up if you try to stick anything near the inside of his hind legs. He doesn't mind my hand thankfully, so I am able to apply the toothpaste, but anything in my hand and I would have trouble.

Might be a bit of a twister moment, but if you could manage to take a picture with your hand/finger as a reference, then as long as you don't go chopping bits off it or getting frostbite and them falling off (hand/finger not the sarcoid! ), then that could be a reference? As long as you had some way of making sure your hand was in the same place.

 

[GREYSMEADOW]

Toothpaste is impressive stuff!

My 6yo had what believed to be a scaroid (pimple type wart) on the side of his belly (around the spur area) and I started putting on Colgate toothpaste (whitening type) on twice a day. I tried to look for Crest toothpaste in my local shops and couldn’t find it anywhere, however you can purchase this on-line somewhere.

After about 12 days using the ordinary Colgate toothpaste (whitening type) the scaroid appeared to start to reduce in size.

Whilst at a dental appointment I then managed to get some Colgate Duraphat 5000ppm fluoride toothpaste (its in a small tube) and Colgate 2800ppm (large tube). I just asked the receptionist for some high fluoride toothpaste and the dental nurse provided me with the Colgate Duraphat 5000ppm and the Colgate 2800ppm so I brought both – no questions where asked. Cost me £12.

I then used the Colgate Duraphat 5000ppm for about 4 days and reverted back to the ordinary toothpaste for about another 5 days. This week-end I wiped/peeled of the dead scabby skin and the scaroid has gone. AMAZING! I am now treating the area with Derma gel to improve the hair growth (the area is about half inch x half inch). I also put on Sudocream to keep the flys off.

He’s also been on Sarc-Ex by Global Herbs for about 2 weeks too.

I’ve been using the Colgate 2800ppm on my teeth!

Both my riding instructor and neighbour are really impressed how the scariod has disappeared in about 3 weeks! I’m impressed too!

Oral B complete is supposed to be good too.

I hope this keeps.

 

[GREYSMEADOW]

Okay, so I have read many times about people having success with Crest toothpaste on sarcoids, so I thought I'd try it. My boy has had a flat patch of sarcoid for a couple of years which was not active and so I left alone. However, this year it appears to have sprouted and is now growing at a rate of knots. It is right between his hind legs and is starting to rub, so something needs to be done. He is covered for vets fees, but I have used blood root ointment and Liverpool cream several times in the past and it really is a horrible thing to put the horses through, as well as being dangerous to apply to tricky areas without the vet coming to sedate the horse every day. So here goes, day one of the toothpaste experiment. Unfortunately, I forgot to get a photograph of the sarcoid without the toothpaste on...doh! But it's around two inches in diameter, and has knobbly bits growing over it.



Will update every few days or whenever/if ever, there is a noticeable change. I am smothering it on twice daily without washing it of in between applications. Wish me luck!

I actually washed off ever morning, dried the area and re-applied toothpaste thinkly over sarcoid.

 

[Janette]

I thought sarcoids got worse if they were messed with? Is this true when using toothpaste?

 

[kaiserchief]

Sarcoids are unpredictable Janette - sometimes they get worse when you treat them exactly as per the vet's instructions. Since nobody knows for sure what causes them in the first place, treating them is really trial and error.

My boy is under treatment by a homeopathic vet (referred by my usual practice). We ran a course of bloodroot cream alongside homeopathic remedies from March-end May and whilst there was an initial improvement, they then got worse, so I searched the internet and found the toothpaste thread on here and sent him the link.

He then liaised with colleagues of his around the world and has advised I use a combination of Neem oil and Crest toothpaste on Kai's sarcoids, alongside feeding a detox supplement and a liquid sulphur remedy. I'm keeping everything crossed that this does the trick! Some photos below:

Before any treatment started:

Sarcoids 1 and 2 (one on his chest in between his front legs, and another on the inside of his left front leg):

Sarcoid 3 (on the back of his left hind leg):

After one week on the initial treatment:

Sarcoid 1 (inside of right front leg):

Sarcoid 2 (on chest):

Sarcoid 3 (on back of left hind leg):

3 May - after comparing these photos to the original ones, I asked the vet to try something else and he prescribed a stronger bloodroot cream:

Sarcoids 1 and 2:

Sarcoid 3:

11 May...

Sarcoid 1:

Sarcoid 2 (sorry for the poor quality - he was not in the mood to stand still and let me take photos!):

Sarcoid 3:

And finally how they looked after stopping the bloodroot cream but before starting the new treatment of Neem, toothpaste, detox and sulphur:

Sarcoid 1:

Sarcoid 2:

Sarcoid 3 (I've not tied it off - his tail hair has got caught around it and although I'd tried to remove as much as possible, some just will not come off without massively upsetting him):

If anyone's interested, I'll continue to update with progress photos as we continue this new treatment.

 

[Wagtail]

Thanks for all the replies so far. Keep them coming.

I have tried to upload a photograph to photobucket this morning but there is an error on their site so will have to try later. The sarcoid has not changed in size but does appear to be peeling away around the edge.

So to wash off the toothpaste or not to wash off? That is the question. It is now thick and crusty, so I am thinking that putting more on top is not going to reach the sarcoid? He is getting slightly more irritated by me applying it, so maybe something is happening? I hope so.

 

[pines of rome]

When I researched this on American sites, I was told not to wash off , so I kept putting the toothpaste on !
I did put sudocream on surrounding areas and made sure the toothpaste was only on the actual sarcoid!

 

[Wagtail]

Thanks, I will keep plastering it on then.

 

[Saby]

Saby, I'd be more than happy to send you photos if this treatment works. I applied neem and crest toothpaste to Kai's sarcoids for the first time yesterday (after 3 months of bloodroot cream prescribed by the very failed to shift them) and this morning a chunk was missing from the biggest one and a small nodular one was much more raisin-ey. I'm feeling pretty hopeful!

I have photos from before any treatment started and weekly from then on out.

Thanks Kaiserchief all pics are helpful, are you able to tell me exactly what you did, i.e when, how and what you applied the toothpaste with.
Much appreciated

 

[Saby]

Toothpaste is impressive stuff!

My 6yo had what believed to be a scaroid (pimple type wart) on the side of his belly (around the spur area) and I started putting on Colgate toothpaste (whitening type) on twice a day. I tried to look for Crest toothpaste in my local shops and couldn’t find it anywhere, however you can purchase this on-line somewhere.

After about 12 days using the ordinary Colgate toothpaste (whitening type) the scaroid appeared to start to reduce in size.

Whilst at a dental appointment I then managed to get some Colgate Duraphat 5000ppm fluoride toothpaste (its in a small tube) and Colgate 2800ppm (large tube). I just asked the receptionist for some high fluoride toothpaste and the dental nurse provided me with the Colgate Duraphat 5000ppm and the Colgate 2800ppm so I brought both – no questions where asked. Cost me £12.

I then used the Colgate Duraphat 5000ppm for about 4 days and reverted back to the ordinary toothpaste for about another 5 days. This week-end I wiped/peeled of the dead scabby skin and the scaroid has gone. AMAZING! I am now treating the area with Derma gel to improve the hair growth (the area is about half inch x half inch). I also put on Sudocream to keep the flys off.

He’s also been on Sarc-Ex by Global Herbs for about 2 weeks too.

I’ve been using the Colgate 2800ppm on my teeth!

Both my riding instructor and neighbour are really impressed how the scariod has disappeared in about 3 weeks! I’m impressed too!

Oral B complete is supposed to be good too.

I hope this keeps.

Hi, you wouldn't happen to have any photos of the sarcoid or during treatment at all ?

 

[Wagtail]

Photobucket is really playing up today but here is the picture of the sarcoid on day 4 of treatment. If you look carefully, you can see where it seems to be lifting away at the edge. I am hoping this is a sign it may be working as this is how the Liverpool cream starts to lift away, only it is also accompanied by swelling and pain.

 

[kaiserchief]

exiting news, I applied neem and crest toothpaste to Kai's sarcoids before work this morning for the third tone (I'm doing it once a day) and when I got to the yard tonight, number 3 (on the back of goods left hind) had dropped off! I've taken photos and will part then when I get home

 

[kaiserchief]

Please excuse the spelling mistakes, I'm on my phone so can't edit my post.

 

[kaiserchief]

And photos, as promised:

07:30 this morning:

18:00 this evening (I should have cleaned it before taking the photo as it's a bit gross - the dangly thing is a very crusty clump of tail hair and not part of the sarcoid):

 

[Wagtail]

Kaiserchief, that's fantastic.

There is a real change this morning for my boy's. His is really peeling away at the top now. I didn't have my phone with me so will get a pic later today. Looking very promising so far...

 

[kaiserchief]

Looking forward to seeing your latest photo wagtail

 

[Wagtail]

Yes, sorry will post it tomorrow now. I've been a bit busy this evening.

 

[Wagtail]

Sorry for the delay. Here is yesterday's pic. I will try to update again tomorrow. There is no change in size, but it seems a lot drier and peeling away underneath.

 

[stencilface]

Hmm, tempted to try this on our old boy. We used some cream from the vets (cannot for the life of me remeber its name) and all that seemed to do was aggravate them and make them bigger. We got rid of the two biggest ones by tying cable ties around and gradually tightening them - this worked a treat, the big ones dropped off and so far haven't come back.

All my horses are under the skin lumps mostly, and not warty/crusty would crest still work on them?

 

[Wagtail]

Hmm, tempted to try this on our old boy. We used some cream from the vets (cannot for the life of me remeber its name) and all that seemed to do was aggravate them and make them bigger. We got rid of the two biggest ones by tying cable ties around and gradually tightening them - this worked a treat, the big ones dropped off and so far haven't come back.

All my horses are under the skin lumps mostly, and not warty/crusty would crest still work on them?

If they are proper sarcoids, then yes, I don't see why not. The sarcoid my boy has consists of several nodules. It isn't crusty or wart like in appearance. The nodules are smooth.

 

[4x4]

We had good results on an old pony with Camrosa, his was on his sheath, it dried it up into a ball with a sort of tube attached, then we tied it off, It worked. Sadly we had to have him pts later as he had lami, cushings etc.

 

[soulfull]

I couldn't find crest in my local shops or chemists but I did spot Colgate duraphat mouth wash. So I thought I would give it a try. Has added benefit that my black horse won't be sporting white bits everywhere. Will keep you updated.

 

[Wagtail]

I couldn't find crest in my local shops or chemists but I did spot Colgate duraphat mouth wash. So I thought I would give it a try. Has added benefit that my black horse won't be sporting white bits everywhere. Will keep you updated.

Thanks. I would be very interested.

I had to order the crest online. It came from the states.

 

[windand rain]

I got some crest in Wilkinsons for my teeth not the horse

 

[Wagtail]

I'm now not sure that it's working. I pulled some away and the sarcoid stayed intact . I have reapplied the toothpaste and will keep going for a few more days. I have some photos which I will upload tomorrow.

 

[kaiserchief]

Keep going Wagtail - Kai's one was firmly attached in the morning and gone in the evening. There's still a small nodule there so I'm continuing to treat all three sarcoids and am very hopeful that they'll all go if I keep the faith and keep treating.

 

[cyberhorse]

It would be interesting to try and get some research on what component of the toothpaste has an effect, if any, and to know specifically if it is the fluoride. Duraphat comes as a toothpaste, but also comes as a prescription only professional application varnish as the highest level 50mg/ml or 22600ppm (parts per million). The highest level you can buy over the counter is approx 1500ppm, the duraphat prescription toothpaste comes in 2800ppm and 5000ppm. If a vet wanted to use it for the purpose of a clinical trial I would expect that would mean access to the varnish, could be worth discussing as an option?

 

[Holly Hocks]

It would be interesting to try and get some research on what component of the toothpaste has an effect, if any, and to know specifically if it is the fluoride. Duraphat comes as a toothpaste, but also comes as a prescription only professional application varnish as the highest level 50mg/ml or 22600ppm (parts per million). The highest level you can buy over the counter is approx 1500ppm, the duraphat prescription toothpaste comes in 2800ppm and 5000ppm. If a vet wanted to use it for the purpose of a clinical trial I would expect that would mean access to the varnish, could be worth discussing as an option?

I've managed to get my hands on some Duraphat 5000 today (from my underworld secret toothpaste dealer ). My little one has a little nodular sarcoid on her belly. I started it tonight, so will keep you updated.