Sarcoid - the toothpaste experiment

Wagtail said:
I'm now not sure that it's working. I pulled some away and the sarcoid stayed intact :(. I have reapplied the toothpaste and will keep going for a few more days. I have some photos which I will upload tomorrow.
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My mare's took weeks, if not months, I can't remember now :o before it started to make a real impact, I'd keep slathering it on for a while yet!
It seemed to work best when it built up a thick crust that excluded the air.
 
touchstone said:
My mare's took weeks, if not months, I can't remember now :o before it started to make a real impact, I'd keep slathering it on for a while yet!
It seemed to work best when it built up a thick crust that excluded the air.
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Thanks. I decided yesterday to pull the crust off. The sarcoid is a paler colour and softer. I will keep putting it on and this time resist the urge to pull the crust off.
 
Some photos of Kai's sarcoids this morning:

Sarcoid 1:
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Sarcoid 2:
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Sarcoid 3:
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I'm really pleased with how they're looking. Number 2 is starting to lift and shrivel at the edges, and number 3's progress is just phenomenal!

Number 1's taking longer, but given Kai keeps licking the neem and toothpaste mixture off, that's not entirely surprising :o Suggestions on how to keep him from licking it would be gratefully received...
 
I put Crest toothpaste on a sarcoid on the inside of my mare's leg last summer. Nothing much seemed to happen so I gave up after about 4 weeks of sporadic treatment. This Spring when I was grooming her I noticed that the sarcoid was peeling off. I picked it and it bled a little, I felt mean, but it's mostly gone now. There is still a small growth remaining that I will put toothpaste on as soon as she's healed. This really works :)
 
Holly Hocks said:
I've managed to get my hands on some Duraphat 5000 today (from my underworld secret toothpaste dealer ;) ). My little one has a little nodular sarcoid on her belly. I started it tonight, so will keep you updated.
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I'd be interested to hear how you get on. I don't have any to deal with on my horse, but it is something I check for. A few friends at the yard have used camrosa to some success but vets around here seem to hate it. I would guess your underworld friend is a toothfairy? (AKA dentist/nurse/hygienist...).
 
Excellent Kaiserchief. My boy's has not changed in the last couple of days but I am still ploughing on. Will post more pics if there is any noticeable change.
 
cyberhorse said:
I'd be interested to hear how you get on. I don't have any to deal with on my horse, but it is something I check for. A few friends at the yard have used camrosa to some success but vets around here seem to hate it. I would guess your underworld friend is a toothfairy? (AKA dentist/nurse/hygienist...).
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Camrosa is said to promot skin healing , the last thing you want a sarcoid to do is form more cells .
 
Goldenstar said:
Camrosa is said to promot skin healing , the last thing you want a sarcoid to do is form more cells .
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The problem with Camrosa, and why I won't use, it is they don't actually tell you what is in it. Quite a few at the yard love it and swear by it for most things including sarcoids, but I don't see it does any better for most problems than my sudocrem and that is an awful lot cheaper. At least with toothpaste you know the ingredients...
 
I'm really pleased with how Kai's sarcoids are doing - I'm seeing positive changes on a daily basis at the moment which is just fantastic. I've just ordered 3 more tubes of Crest as I'm getting through it really quickly. I'm keeping everything crossed that they will soon be gone! :)
 
kaiserchief said:
I'm really pleased with how Kai's sarcoids are doing - I'm seeing positive changes on a daily basis at the moment which is just fantastic. I've just ordered 3 more tubes of Crest as I'm getting through it really quickly. I'm keeping everything crossed that they will soon be gone! :)
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fabby hope mine works too

I am going to a talk by my vets tonight which includes sarcoids, I don't suppose they will recommend using toothpaste. In fact I am expecting them to be very anti using it
 
soulfull said:
fabby hope mine works too

I am going to a talk by my vets tonight which includes sarcoids, I don't suppose they will recommend using toothpaste. In fact I am expecting them to be very anti using it
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Hey let us know what they say, most vets i've spoken to just haven't heard of using toothpaste and are actually really interested in how and why it works, would be interested to see if they were willing to do some research into it as it would be great to find something effective and less damaging than Liverpool cream that we could gets vets promoting but will need to do research to get them to believe in it.
 
Thanks for all the replies on this. My boy's sarcoid is still hanging on in there, but it has certainly stopped growing and perhaps there is a little shrinkage. I will get some more photographs and update hopefully tomorrow.
 
Seriously interesting thread! Camrosa in my understanding works as most "healing" preparations do by increasing cells which is why it can have a very negative effect on sarcoids. Toothpaste wouldn't increase cells so should in theory be totally harmless. Will follow this thread and wish you all luck in fighting these evil little things ;)
 
Yay, things are really happening now. It is day 19 of the experiment and the sarcoid has definitely shrunk:



And when I peeled off the toothpaste, dried up bits of sarcoid came with it:



I reapplied to the now shrivelled up but still firmly attached sarcoid. Things are looking very promising. :D
 
I've started with the toothpaste on some of my horse's sarcoids. Sainsbury's own brand, whitening (ooo, white sarcoids!:D) stuff. 1450ppm flouride and 55p a tube.

I'm not going to say much more as I don't want to jinx it, but looking promising so far. I tried thuja, but it only worked on the occult ones, the verrucose were no different and the nodular got worse. Cost me around £50 in all :eek:

I have pictures of the current experiment, will take them weekly and post on new thread once I have a result.

Fingers crossed!!
 
Beausmate said:
I've started with the toothpaste on some of my horse's sarcoids. Sainsbury's own brand, whitening (ooo, white sarcoids!:D) stuff. 1450ppm flouride and 55p a tube.

I'm not going to say much more as I don't want to jinx it, but looking promising so far. I tried thuja, but it only worked on the occult ones, the verrucose were no different and the nodular got worse. Cost me around £50 in all :eek:

I have pictures of the current experiment, will take them weekly and post on new thread once I have a result.

Fingers crossed!!
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Thanks, I would be very interested to see them.
 
I've used Colgate Duraphat 5000 on my horse's sarcoids.
Very pleased with the results, my vet wanted to use liverpool cream, but as 3 were right up on the inside of his thighs i thought it would be quite painful to treat.
In total 5 (2-3" across) were treated with toothpaste and all that is left of them is hair discolouration.
Vet is really amazed that they have gone.
 
jaffs said:
I've used Colgate Duraphat 5000 on my horse's sarcoids.
Very pleased with the results, my vet wanted to use liverpool cream, but as 3 were right up on the inside of his thighs i thought it would be quite painful to treat.
In total 5 (2-3" across) were treated with toothpaste and all that is left of them is hair discolouration.
Vet is really amazed that they have gone.
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Wow, that IS good. I can see the hair discolouration on my boy. The flatter outer part of the sarcoid has now all come away leaving only the deeper nodular part. That part is now quite dried and withered. I think if it had been in a place where he could knock it, it may have come off by now.
 
Wow! I have been rubbing the dried paste off when it gets thick and it seems to stick to the sarcoid. One small one came off after three days and the other, bigger one appears to have lost a bit. I'm doing a few at a time, saving the big ones for last if it works for the smaller ones.
 
Saby said:
Hey let us know what they say, most vets i've spoken to just haven't heard of using toothpaste and are actually really interested in how and why it works, would be interested to see if they were willing to do some research into it as it would be great to find something effective and less damaging than Liverpool cream that we could gets vets promoting but will need to do research to get them to believe in it.
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sorry I forgot to update about this. As I expected there was no mention of toothpaste, so at the end I asked if they had seen the thread on here and what did they think. The one vet said he had seen it and while didn't know what to think, the other vet then interrupted him and basically poo pooed the idea quite strongly and imho arrogantly
The overall impression we were all left with is that they are just too unpredictable and nothing can be a sure cure no matter how much you throw at them

I have been a bit lacking in using the toothpaste regularly enough, however i may be seeing some change on one of the sarcoids. reading the updates on here has inspired me to keep going again
 
I heard about using toothpaste some time ago after a friend's mare was treated with Liverpool cream at great expense. Then I forgot about it until my own mare suddenly developed a lump on her belly that was about the size and shape of the end of my little finger, oozing and interesting to flies. I ordered ten tubes of crest and applied it for about ten days, after which time the lump dropped off. I must remember to apply it to my warts and see what happens!
 
What strength does the tooth paste have to be to have an effect? And what strength can you get over the counter? I don't know any toothpaste dealers or know anyone with dodgy teeth who might get me some.
 
The progress is very slow, but the sarcoid continues to wither and bits are coming off. I will get some more pics in a few days.
 
weebarney said:
What strength does the tooth paste have to be to have an effect? And what strength can you get over the counter? I don't know any toothpaste dealers or know anyone with dodgy teeth who might get me some.
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I'm using the cheapest toothpaste (55p) with the highest fluoride content I could get in the supermarket. It's 1450 ppm (parts per million), the highest you can get over the counter is 1500 ppm, I think.

I'v been using it for just over a fortnight and it's definitely having an effect, the first bits started coming off on the fourth day. I am taking photos weekly and I'll post them if/when more has happened.

I'm picking and rubbing the dried bits of paste off before re-applying, it sticks to the sarcoids much more than the healthy skin and bits of sarcoid are coming off stuck to the dried paste. The sarcoids are losing the even look to them and are becoming pitted. Hard to describe though! There has also been some bleeding.

I'm doing a few to start with, if it's successful I'll do the rest.
 
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