Sarcoid treatment advice pls

[Littlebear]

Could anyone offer some advice on the route they have gone down to treat a sarcoid, we have a tiny one in an area that doesnt bother the horse but the treatment options seem to be the cream, where i either need a vet and call out every few days for a while as they have to apply it, or the horse goes in for a week to have that done. Otherwise the lazer option. Or to leave it and see how it goes. Any experiences?

 

[TotalMadgeness]

I think if it was me I'd go for laser. The cream (if it is Liverpool / Blood Root) might be quite painful for the horse?

 

[Goldenstar]

If it’s in a suitable place I probably would laser .
The aftermath of lasering can be a huge and I mean a deep deep wound they don’t just take the sarcoid they laser all round it .
The cream takes longer more vet visits won’t be cheaper by the time you factor the visits in and some horses need sedation for every application.
If you can run the horse to vets for the cream applications this will reduce the cost
I have had good and not so good results from both .
Don't let them discharge your horse without pain relief some vets do this and I don’t allow it most will benefit from some Danilon or Bute when the wound is at its worse

 

[Littlebear]

If it’s in a suitable place I probably would laser .
The aftermath of lasering can be a huge and I mean a deep deep wound they don’t just take the sarcoid they laser all round it .
The cream takes longer more vet visits won’t be cheaper by the time you factor the visits in and some horses need sedation for every application.
If you can run the horse to vets for the cream applications this will reduce the cost
I have had good and not so good results from both .
Don't let them discharge your horse without pain relief some vets do this and I don’t allow it most will benefit from some Danilon or Bute when the wound is at its worse

That's very helpful, thank you x

 

[ihatework]

Honestly, in general I’m pretty blase about them. But that is most likely because I’ve never had a really bad case.

If they are small and non ulcerated and not in a place that is either unsightly or prone to rubbing I just leave them. Often they stay dormant, sometimes the get smaller.

Casting my mind back,

My dressage mare had the flat scaly type on an inner thigh. I purchased her with it, it never changed and actually I can’t even recall if it’s still there.

My big event horse I purchased with 2. A golf ball size one on his midline and a pea sized one on an inner thigh. Both nodular, non ulcerated. The bigger one had a defined root, we banded that, it never returned. The small one would have needed lazer, I left it, it shrunk a bit and was still there when I sold him. No impact on resale.

I had a mare on part loan many years ago that had quite aggressive ulcering ones in her groin. But they stayed localised and would just pop out and then the cycle would start again. I wasn’t responsible for her management but in hindsight and had it been present day under my ownership I would likely have intervened and treated. They must have been uncomfortable.

That said I have seen 3rd hand a couple of horses overcome with sarcoids. Not nice and if I were in that position I’m afraid I would be considering PTS

 

[doodle]

Soli had a small one on nostril. Robin had 3 even tinier ones on bum. Both of them had 3 tubs of sarc-ex a feed supplement, and they all disappeared.

 

[ownedbyaconnie]

Horse at the yard has a huge one on the top of her ear. Owner has been giving her some herbal remedy (in her feed), cant' remember what it was but remember her saying it had a lot of garlic in it. It's now gone very floppy and looks like it might drop off soon.

 

[Littlebear]

This is all so helpful, thank you. I have just chatted to the vet about it now, they need to send off a pic of the sarcoid (and it really is small) to someone who does the cream for them to confirm what type and whether that would be suitable or not.
I have purchased and started the sarc-ex already after seeing some good reviews on it x

 

[doodle]

I decided that as Soli was new to me and on his nose I didn’t want to upset him just yet. For £100 it was worth a try before getting vet involved (although I would have if no improvement) and it worked. They were tiny tho.

 

[lialls]

I have had great success previously with Global Herbs Sarc-X too, however it was only after I finished the pot that I noticed any change - I expected it to shrivel up and just disappear but it actually burst through the skin and popped out like a big bean. Quite alarming but vet checked horse over and all was fine, exit site healed over a few days and didn’t encounter them again with her.

 

[Littlebear]

I have had great success previously with Global Herbs Sarc-X too, however it was only after I finished the pot that I noticed any change - I expected it to shrivel up and just disappear but it actually burst through the skin and popped out like a big bean. Quite alarming but vet checked horse over and all was fine, exit site healed over a few days and didn’t encounter them again with her.

Thats great, i spoke to the vet about the sarc-ex and she had never heard of it, but i am going to use it and be hopeful i have the same luck!

 

[SatansLittleHelper]

My friend's little cob has two...one inside his thigh and one at the back of his sheath, both are small. He is going in next week to have them lasered off. She wouldn't have bothered except that the one gets ulcerated and plagued by flies in the hot weather so it bleeds.

 

[Dreamer2020]

Hi OP, in my experience it seems to be best to leave them be unless they are ulcerated or causing a problem. The Liverpool cream does work but is chemo in a tub, so can be painful (my vet prescribed Danilon for after treatment). I don't know about laser (but sounds quicker and cleaner than the Liverpool cream). I've used the Sarc ex too and found it helpful. Some people also use turmeric (with pepper and oil) and combined with the Sarc ex and find this helpful in stimulating the horse's own immune system to expel the sarcoid itself. I guess just be guided by your vet and don't be afraid to speak up if you'd rather try conservative management whilst this is still an option. Good luck and I hope it all goes well xx

 

[SpotsandBays]

Never had experience with sarcoids per say, but have only heard awful things about Liverpool cream

 

[Littlebear]

Hi OP, in my experience it seems to be best to leave them be unless they are ulcerated or causing a problem. The Liverpool cream does work but is chemo in a tub, so can be painful (my vet prescribed Danilon for after treatment). I don't know about laser (but sounds quicker and cleaner than the Liverpool cream). I've used the Sarc ex too and found it helpful. Some people also use turmeric (with pepper and oil) and combined with the Sarc ex and find this helpful in stimulating the horse's own immune system to expel the sarcoid itself. I guess just be guided by your vet and don't be afraid to speak up if you'd rather try conservative management whilst this is still an option. Good luck and I hope it all goes well xx

Thanks - the sarc ex is underway but the vet dismissed it pretty much, it isn't causing any bother and although its not in an area anything can bother it its a super awkward place for either of these treatments, both options would have to be quite carefully done.
I am slightly inclined to wait slightly longer and see how the sarc ex goes as there are just so many positive stories from using it.

 

[Sprat]

Thanks - the sarc ex is underway but the vet dismissed it pretty much, it isn't causing any bother and although its not in an area anything can bother it its a super awkward place for either of these treatments, both options would have to be quite carefully done.
I am slightly inclined to wait slightly longer and see how the sarc ex goes as there are just so many positive stories from using it.

Sounds like a sensible option, if it's not bothering the horse I would just keep an eye on it and go from there. A friend of mine used sarc-ex with great success. I had 2 sarcoids lasered, purely because one was ulcerating and we were coming into spring so I didn't want the flys getting into it and making it worse. It was a nice easy process to get them lasered, and I wouldn't hesitate to do so again if I felt it was needed, but it is a more pricey option.

Agree with others, I would steer clear from the liverpool cream if possible, nasty stuff.

 

[Dreamer2020]

Thanks - the sarc ex is underway but the vet dismissed it pretty much, it isn't causing any bother and although its not in an area anything can bother it its a super awkward place for either of these treatments, both options would have to be quite carefully done.
I am slightly inclined to wait slightly longer and see how the sarc ex goes as there are just so many positive stories from using it.

Hey OP ... yes I think it depends on your vet ... some of them can be quite dismissive of anything seen as alternative or complementary therapy ... but as long as trying it isn't doing any harm or delaying urgent treatment you've got nothing to lose by giving it go. Let us know how you get on xx

 

[Goldenstar]

Liverpool cream is a chemotherapy cream like we use for skin cancers it’s not a benign substance .
Lasering burns away tissue neither is for the faint hearted .

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

Join The Sarcoid Cure on Facebook. Pretty simple paste that has amazing results. No vets needed. I’m about to start using it.

 

[Bernster]

New loan horse seems to have a flat one on her flank that’s not changed for 2 years. Thx for this thread as v useful. Have vet out tmrw to take a look but I was wondering about the sarc x supplement.

 

[tda]

One of my mares developed a module on her udder while she was expecting this year, because of where it was I had to leave it alone for a while, but is has grown alarmingly over the last 6 months. I bought some thuja cream from Farm & Yard remedies, and I'm pretty surprised on how much it's shrunk over the last 6 weeks.
Will review it/get vet involved when foal weaned, but looking good so far.

 

[Littlebear]

One of my mares developed a module on her udder while she was expecting this year, because of where it was I had to leave it alone for a while, but is has grown alarmingly over the last 6 months. I bought some thuja cream from Farm & Yard remedies, and I'm pretty surprised on how much it's shrunk over the last 6 weeks.
Will review it/get vet involved when foal weaned, but looking good so far.

Thanks - just ordered!

 

[Melody Grey]

A couple of curve balls for you.... Banding? (I have not tried this but I know people who have successfully)

google Radiance Gold- I’ve seen this have really good effects first hand.

....or leave well alone if it’s only small, it may disappear?

 

[Spottyappy]

I used Liverpool cream on my old mare. She found it incredibly traumatic, and was nervous for months after it finished. I won’t use it again.
have, used lasering a few times since, including on my old mare. No issues, although it can take a while for the wound to heal, but imho it is by far less traumatic than the Liverpool cream.

 

[Littlebear]

I used Liverpool cream on my old mare. She found it incredibly traumatic, and was nervous for months after it finished. I won’t use it again.
have, used lasering a few times since, including on my old mare. No issues, although it can take a while for the wound to heal, but imho it is by far less traumatic than the Liverpool cream.

That's interesting, thanks for sharing. I really don't want to cause the horse a load of upset, only a 3 year old and only just in from living the wild baby life.

 

[ycbm]

Be very careful if you intend to treat this yourself, it is possible to make things worse.
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[ihatework]

I agree with ycbm.
If you put anything on this externally and aggrevate it you may wish you hadn’t.

If it’s non problematic I’d personally leave well alone. But if you are going to do it, do it properly under vet supervision

 

[EmmaC78]

I would leave it too. My gelding got diagnosed with a sarcoid about 6 years ago. I worried a lot about it at the time and in the end decided just to leave it. It has reduced in size and now is only noticeable if I really look for it.

 

[Littlebear]

Thanks all x

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Thanks - the sarc ex is underway but the vet dismissed it pretty much, it isn't causing any bother and although its not in an area anything can bother it its a super awkward place for either of these treatments, both options would have to be quite carefully done.
I am slightly inclined to wait slightly longer and see how the sarc ex goes as there are just so many positive stories from using it.

My horse has had 3 small sarcoids in his 16 years 2 on the inside if his back leg came up hung around for a bit then just went on there own, then he has one in his nostril at the moment it came up after he was ill last year, it looked a bit angry for a bit but it's now shrinking on its own, I have put him on the progressive earth supplement as they often come up if the immune system is comprised and hopefully it will just go on its own, I wouldn't just laser or treat one straight away unless it's causing an issue and discomfort because many go on there own, even my vet has advised to leave and keep an eye for a bit.