Sarcoids

[Cloudcomet]

Hi Everyone
My daughter’s horse has started developing sarcoids over the last couple of years. He’s had a few of them treated with injections or cream, neither of which has really helped.
They are on is chest and are spreading into his armpits and also in his groin and on his sheath. I recently got our vet out again to look at them, expecting to get a program of treatment that we could undertake for him, but he said that, in his opinion, it would not be ethical to treat them as the sarcoids are so extensive and the treatment would be so painful.
I do completely trust my vet and understand where he is coming from, but it is such a devastating blow for us. This horse is just amazing and he and my daughter have just clicked, which has been beautiful to watch. We are both distraught that we are going to lose our beautiful boy.
So I’m just posting out of desperation really. Does anyone have any success stories of treatments that could work? He’s already having oily herbs as I’ve heard they can help to shrink them. Is there anything I can give him to boost his immune system, which might help him fight them off?
Many many thanks in advance for any help you might be able to give

 

[Palindrome]

Have you tried feeding supplements especially formulated against sarcoids?
I have heard of sarc-ex.
I don't know how efficient they are.

 

[GypsGal1718]

I have also heard of sarc ex, I don’t know how well it works as. I hae not used it but it is supposed to work well. Best of luck

 

[meleeka]

Dr Derek Knottenbelt used to give his advice for free and is the expert in this field. When I emailed I didnt expect a reply, but he did and offered great advice. A quick google leads me to this which might be worth contacting.

Horse Cancer | Prof Derek Knottenbelt

equinesarcoid.co.uk

 

[Cloudcomet]

Have you tried feeding supplements especially formulated against sarcoids?
I have heard of sarc-ex.
I don't know how efficient they are.

Thank you! I will have a look

 

[Cloudcomet]

Dr Derek Knottenbelt used to give his advice for free and is the expert in this field. When I emailed I didnt expect a reply, but he did and offered great advice. A quick google leads me to this which might be worth contacting.

Horse Cancer | Prof Derek Knottenbelt

equinesarcoid.co.uk

Thank you so much for this, I will email him. That’s great

 

[cauda equina]

You could try thuja tablets - the human homepathic ones - Boots sell them
The worst they can do is nothing and if your vet is against conventional treatments there's nothing to lose imo

 

[Tiddlypom]

I second getting an opinion from Prof K. It’s not free, but it’s not expensive - was about £70 a few years ago.

Your vet sends the sarcoids pics in and Prof K get back with a proposed course of treatment, if required.

Good luck.

 

[Cloudcomet]

I second getting an opinion from Prof K. It’s not free, but it’s not expensive - was about £70 a few years ago.

Your vet sends the sarcoids pics in and Prof K get back with a proposed course of treatment, if required.

Good luck.

I’m actually pretty sure he is the one who advised on the treatment we used last time so my vet is in contact with him. I will email him though, thank you very much

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

Sarcoid cure on Facebook. I’ve seen it work first hand and it works!

 

[Barton Bounty]

@JBM used a sarcoid remedy

I am sure it was thuja cream

 

[humblepie]

Mine had quite a few in the same area lasered off this time last year. Looked awful but out in the field next day and back competing about two months later. Surgeon did standing laser in own stable. He did the ones he thought he could reasonably do as he felt all of them may be a bit much for horse and me. The small ones not got any worse and healed amazingly. Horse is on the Omega supplement for what it may or may not do. It was quite a shock and did look horrid but healed amazingly.

 

[JBM]

@JBM used a sarcoid remedy

I am sure it was thuja cream

Thuja cream on the sacriod once a day and fed tumeric

 

[tristars]

we had one with fibroblastic one on ear, i fed him turmeric and black pepper mix, i think it was equine america, they looked seriously bad at one point, they are now shrunk right up to nothing, i find messing with them is fatal, i also sprayed with aluspray silver stuff, to protect when they bled, and keep off flies

i would say a time scale of 9 months is the duration of the ones i have seen

even if they get bloody keep them clean and cover if poss, but our vet recced laser at some point but to leave well alone if poss

 

[Cloudcomet]

I second getting an opinion from Prof K. It’s not free, but it’s not expensive - was about £70 a few years ago.

Your vet sends the sarcoids pics in and Prof K get back with a proposed course of treatment, if required.

Good luck.

I’m actually pretty sure he is the one who advised on the treatment we used last time so my vet is in contact with him.

 

[Cloudcomet]

Mine had quite a few in the same area lasered off this time last year. Looked awful but out in the field next day and back competing about two months later. Surgeon did standing laser in own stable. He did the ones he thought he could reasonably do as he felt all of them may be a bit much for horse and me. The small ones not got any worse and healed amazingly. Horse is on the Omega supplement for what it may or may not do. It was quite a shock and did look horrid but healed amazingly.

Thank you for this. My vet did say we could probably prolong his competitive life by doing this, but he’s a bit wary as our boy is very protective of the area (ie kicks!!) and so he said after care would be extremely difficult. I don’t mean to sound too gory but I don’t suppose you have any photos of before and after?!

 

[Cloudcomet]

Thuja cream on the sacriod once a day and fed tumeric

Thank you!

 

[Cloudcomet]

Have you tried feeding supplements especially formulated against sarcoids?
I have heard of sarc-ex.
I don't know how efficient they are.

Thank you, I’m having a look now

 

[olop]

Mine had a pretty big one on his tummy. I did the sarcoid cure from Facebook and a year later it was gone and it’s never come back (that was four years ago). It wasn’t a pretty process but it cost me next to nothing and it has never come back so a win win for us!

 

[Cloudcomet]

Sarcoid cure on Facebook. I’ve seen it work first hand and it works!

Do you know if the treatment is painful for the horse, please? Thank you

 

[Cloudcomet]

Mine had a pretty big one on his tummy. I did the sarcoid cure from Facebook and a year later it was gone and it’s never come back (that was four years ago). It wasn’t a pretty process but it cost me next to nothing and it has never come back so a win win for us!

Thank you! Do you know if the process is painful? And does it require multiple applications? Many thanks

 

[olop]

Thank you! Do you know if the process is painful? And does it require multiple applications? Many thanks

Not painful in the slightest and I had to apply the paste pretty much every other day. Like I say it took a year of me doing that and it looked pretty nasty but it’s gone now.

I’ve attached the picture of what it looked like and what it looked like at its nastiest.

 

[Cloudcomet]

we had one with fibroblastic one on ear, i fed him turmeric and black pepper mix, i think it was equine america, they looked seriously bad at one point, they are now shrunk right up to nothing, i find messing with them is fatal, i also sprayed with aluspray silver stuff, to protect when they bled, and keep off flies

i would say a time scale of 9 months is the duration of the ones i have seen

even if they get bloody keep them clean and cover if poss, but our vet recced laser at some point but to leave well alone if poss

Thank you! So it was just feeding a supplement? No topical application? We used the aluspray last summer to keep the flies off, it’s good stuff. Thank you!

 

[Cloudcomet]

Not painful in the slightest and I had to apply the paste pretty much every other day. Like I say it took a year of me doing that and it looked pretty nasty but it’s gone now.

I’ve attached the picture of what it looked like and what it looked like at its nastiest.

Thank you so much for this! Good to see

 

[ycbm]

Do you know if the treatment is painful for the horse, please? Thank you

The sarcoid cure from Facebook is half flour, half salt, the flour being to make the salt stick and dehydrate the sarcoid, mixed into a paste. It does look like it works in a lot of cases, but it takes a long, long, time, during which a very large area, in your case, is going to be a bleeding ulcerated mess. And if you give up part way through, you could well have provoked them into a pretty angry state.

In the photo above, you can see how much bigger the area affected was than it looked at the start. (Is actually all the surrounding dark hair as well, sarcoids hidden in the skin change the hair colour) . If you imagine the huge area that is likely to ulcerate on your daughter's horse, it would create an unholy mess, for at least a year, even if it works. The reason they are in his armpits and groin is that the virus has spread through his lymph system. The tracks are currently invisible but will break out if you start to kill them. Large areas of skin can slough off. And if it gets infected, what a nightmare. And yes, from using home treatments successfully many times for sarcoids myself, they hurt and you might reach a position where he will no longer allow you to touch them.

I'm so sorry for you and your daughter, I know first hand how evil sarcoids are, but for the sake of the horse I do feel you need to come to terms with what your vet has told you. I'm sorry that's not what you want to hear, but I really do have a lot of experience with this.
.

 

[Cloudcomet]

The sarcoid cure from Facebook is half flour, half salt, the flour being to make the salt stick and dehydrate the sarcoid, mixed into a paste. It does look like it works in a lot of cases, but it takes a long, long, time, during which a very large area, in your case, is going to be a bleeding ulcerated mess. And if you give up part way through, you could well have provoked them into a pretty angry state.

In the photo above, you can see how much bigger the area affected was than it looked at the start. If you imagine the huge area that is likely to ulcerate on your daughter's horse, it would create an unholy mess, for at least a year, even if it works. The reason they are in his attempts and groin is that the virus has spread through his lymph system. The tracks are currently partly invisible but will break out if you start to kill them. Large areas of skin can slough off. And if it gets infected, what a nightmare. And yes, from using home treatments successfully many times for sarcoids myself, they hurt and you might reach a position where he will no longer allow you to touch them.

I'm so sorry for you and your daughter, I know first hand how evil sarcoids are, but for the sake of the horse I do feel you need to come to terms with what your vet has told you. I'm sorry that's not what you want to hear, but I really do have a lot of experience with this.
.

Thank you so much for this reply. It was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the above photo. I do know you and my vet are right, I’m literally clutching at straws for our poor, beautiful boy

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Hi Everyone
My daughter’s horse has started developing sarcoids over the last couple of years. He’s had a few of them treated with injections or cream, neither of which has really helped.
They are on is chest and are spreading into his armpits and also in his groin and on his sheath. I recently got our vet out again to look at them, expecting to get a program of treatment that we could undertake for him, but he said that, in his opinion, it would not be ethical to treat them as the sarcoids are so extensive and the treatment would be so painful.
I do completely trust my vet and understand where he is coming from, but it is such a devastating blow for us. This horse is just amazing and he and my daughter have just clicked, which has been beautiful to watch. We are both distraught that we are going to lose our beautiful boy.
So I’m just posting out of desperation really. Does anyone have any success stories of treatments that could work? He’s already having oily herbs as I’ve heard they can help to shrink them. Is there anything I can give him to boost his immune system, which might help him fight them off?
Many many thanks in advance for any help you might be able to give

I used Scar-ex and we did one with Liverpool cream and had a few banded

 

[ycbm]

Thank you so much for this reply. It was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the above photo. I do know you and my vet are right, I’m literally clutching at straws for our poor, beautiful boy

I'm so sorry . They are vile things when they've got that kind of hold.
.

 

[Tiddlypom]

How long has he been on the oily herbs?

 

[humblepie]

Thank you for this. My vet did say we could probably prolong his competitive life by doing this, but he’s a bit wary as our boy is very protective of the area (ie kicks!!) and so he said after care would be extremely difficult. I don’t mean to sound too gory but I don’t suppose you have any photos of before and after?!

Yes will try to do pictures. Fortunately mine was very good about having them done. They are fairly nasty so I’ll try to message them to you. It’s saying photos too large. I’ll have a go tomorrow as got to go out now.