Scraggy doodle (some rescue piccies) and some of my lots (im bored)

IWillIfIWant said:
Dear god, if you are an expert dog person you would know alot of cross breeds are infact mostly free of the inherent health problems an awful lot of pedigree dogs suffer with, this is not to say doodles are "immune" from health issues and i dont think any "joe average" person would be stupid enough to promote such rubbish nor believe it. I think this is an over exaggeration on your behalf as for some strange reason you have issues with this breed and therefore believe your views to be fact/right. Id like to point out that stating these dogs are "mass produced" and the breeders "lie through their teeth to sell them" is in fact not entirely true as plenty of these dogs are bred by good families/people with good cruft winning parentage and the breeder need not lie to sell them. Mass producing puppies is not something that is confined to a certain breed, many pedigree dogs are being mass produced...the husky is the latest victim as the staffy has been, the dalmation and these small "handbag" breeds. This is something that will be very difficult to stop as there are always fasionable dogs and as such the market for these dogs increase and enable irresponsible people to make a quick buck. Crufts in fact is one source of these "fashion dogs" as the winning breed booms in popularity. Hence the dalmations popularity some years back. I think perhaps if your issue is with irresponsible breeders or mass producing puppies you should stop being narrow minded about a certain breed and look at the bigger picture. ;)
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If you cross a Dobe with a Rotti ie a cross breed and both parents are not health tested they are not healthier than a pedigree health tested dog, gee its no rocket science. To simplfy further any dog not health tested and bred to another not health tested dog will not be healthier than a pedigree health tested dog.
 
Dobiegirl if you are going to join the conversation/debate then please have something more to offer then....dont pick on my friend!!!!! I am an experienced dog person and am allowed my own opinion, we dont all have to appease someone to validate ones thought, ideas and opinions. :rolleyes:
 
IWillIfIWant said:
Dear god, if you are an expert dog person you would know alot of cross breeds are infact mostly free of the inherent health problems an awful lot of pedigree dogs suffer with, this is not to say doodles are "immune" from health issues and i dont think any "joe average" person would be stupid enough to promote such rubbish nor believe it. I think this is an over exaggeration on your behalf as for some strange reason you have issues with this breed and therefore believe your views to be fact/right. Id like to point out that stating these dogs are "mass produced" and the breeders "lie through their teeth to sell them" is in fact not entirely true as plenty of these dogs are bred by good families/people with good cruft winning parentage and the breeder need not lie to sell them. Mass producing puppies is not something that is confined to a certain breed, many pedigree dogs are being mass produced...the husky is the latest victim as the staffy has been, the dalmation and these small "handbag" breeds. This is something that will be very difficult to stop as there are always fasionable dogs and as such the market for these dogs increase and enable irresponsible people to make a quick buck. Crufts in fact is one source of these "fashion dogs" as the winning breed booms in popularity. Hence the dalmations popularity some years back. I think perhaps if your issue is with irresponsible breeders or mass producing puppies you should stop being narrow minded about a certain breed and look at the bigger picture. ;)
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Where did I say I was an expert:confused::rolleyes:

Are you telling me that a poddle x lab does not suffer horrendous hip and elbow problems??
Or a chi x cavi is not as likely to suffer from luxating patellas and a heart murmur?
Because im damn sure we treat enough cross breeds at work with the self and same issues we see in pedigrees, only part of the time you cannot pin point the x, so it goes unblamed on either pedigree that was put into it.
The rate these designers (not just doodle) are being bred and the reasons for it is going to be far worse than any pedigree fall out issues we ever had.
Erm this is one post, as menioned you have clearly not seen my others, I do not advocate irrisponsible breeding of any dog pedigree or not.
 
From their previous posts I don't think you will find Mozlar looking for much information, he/she clearly has their view and no one, no matter how experienced, will change it.
 
s4sugar said:
Puppy farms are hardly an example of good breeding are they? These crosses get sold to the gullible who see idiots spouting how wonderful they are and few of there producers pick up the pieces when the dog doesn't fulfil expectations. Hence the numbers in rescues. SBT too are overproduced and again it is not the carefully bred ones that swamp the rescues as good breeders take back their puppies.
Actually we see far more health problems in deliberate cross breeds than in well bred purebreds. Particularly when the breeds crossed share the same problems as poodles & Labradors do.
Please try to be factual and look for information from the people who are not trying to flog these mixes.
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As a dog owner and breeder of many many years I have no need to 'seek information' from anyone. I'm really not sure what you are alluding to and you probably need to get your facts right, many of these crosses are bred by responsible people with healthy tested animals, as said puppy farms sell far more pedigree dogs than cross breeds.
 
xxMozlarxx said:
Did you actually read my post? Do you have one of these dogs? What is your expertise?.
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Does she have 1?? and here is where the problem lies.....having one dog does not qualify people to give an all round (I can tell you all about it, as mine is like all others) you need to see/have experience of a vast number to advise more indepthly, esp when giving advise out in regard to them and the possible purchase other than (it's cuteeeeeeee).
 
xxMozlarxx said:
As a dog owner and breeder of many many years I have no need to 'seek information' from anyone. I'm really not sure what you are alluding to and you probably need to get your facts right, many of these crosses are bred by responsible people with healthy tested animals, as said puppy farms sell far more pedigree dogs than cross breeds.
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Ah....so you must breed designer x's then?
 
MurphysMinder said:
From their previous posts I don't think you will find Mozlar looking for much information, he/she clearly has their view and no one, no matter how experienced, will change it.
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How odd that you would spend time reading my previous posts, and what a cheap trick to personalise a perfectly reasoned view..and im not the one making offensive sarcastic comments about animals.
 
IWillIfIWant said:
Dobiegirl if you are going to join the conversation/debate then please have something more to offer then....dont pick on my friend!!!!! I am an experienced dog person and am allowed my own opinion, we dont all have to appease someone to validate ones thought, ideas and opinions. :rolleyes:
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Cannot believe your attempts to invalidate me, I very much have my own opinions and as for you and your friend, yes funny that how you have suddenly appeared on this forum to back up someone who has challenged this issue before.
 
IWillIfIWant said:
Dobiegirl if you are going to join the conversation/debate then please have something more to offer then....dont pick on my friend!!!!! I am an experienced dog person and am allowed my own opinion, we dont all have to appease someone to validate ones thought, ideas and opinions. :rolleyes:
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I do love this aswell, if someone else wants to joinn in a debate they are accused of being "buddies" of the other person in the debate....I lurveeeee it:D
DG is also allowed her opinion:rolleyes:
 
Wow dobiegirl so insightful and informative...i dont see what relevance this has to the conversation mind you... the doodle breed is basically being ripped apart and you are both assuming that if its a doodle its got to have been poorly bred and the parents have not been health tested.....this is not fact its your opinion. There are many staffys out there overbred and from untested parents but not all are.... there are many rotties bred untested but not all are, bulldogs,pugs,LABRADORS....the list goes on but i dont hear you blasting the entire breed and nor should you do this about the doodle.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Cannot believe your attempts to invalidate me, I very much have my own opinions and as for you and your friend, yes funny that how you have suddenly appeared on this forum to back up someone who has challenged this issue before.
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And you are doing.....what???

And no I don't have a lab poodle cross!
 
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Cayla have you really got to the point where you have nothing productive to say, just childish, unitelligent comments about stalking and sitting on puter debating..
:o
 
xxMozlarxx said:
As a dog owner and breeder of many many years I have no need to 'seek information' from anyone. I'm really not sure what you are alluding to and you probably need to get your facts right, many of these crosses are bred by responsible people with healthy tested animals, as said puppy farms sell far more pedigree dogs than cross breeds.
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Great I will bring this up at the Kennel Club Breed Rescue conference next month.
I have spent the past few months gathering statistics from adverts and from rescues as we ( the rescuers) are all trying to find a way to educate the puppy buying public.
It is widely agreed that the best way to reduce dogs in rescue is to educate the buyers.

You have just provided an excellent example of the main problem - morons who are sure they know what they are doing and don't need any information but will keep lining the puppy farmers pockets. BTW the general definition of puppy farmer is someone who breeds for sale rather than to better the breed. Numbers produced are irrelevant but " many of these crosses are bred by responsible people with healthy tested animals" and they are breeding to sell = puppy farmers.
They have found that having a test certificate fools some of the public.
Last eye testing session I ran we had poodles turn up that were barely recognisable as such - roached backed and clear PL but they sired big litters to poodles & cockers!
 
I read your previous posts because you posted on the same threads as me , what is odd about that. And you just confirmed that you don't need to seek information, which is what I suggested. Although I have to say i have never met a successful breeder who is not constantly seeking information, as they feel there is always more to learn.
 
IWillIfIWant said:
Wow dobiegirl so insightful and informative...i dont see what relevance this has to the conversation mind you... the doodle breed is basically being ripped apart and you are both assuming that if its a doodle its got to have been poorly bred and the parents have not been health tested.....this is not fact its your opinion. There are many staffys out there overbred and from untested parents but not all are.... there are many rotties bred untested but not all are, bulldogs,pugs,LABRADORS....the list goes on but i dont hear you blasting the entire breed and nor should you do this about the doodle.
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I this post maybe, we have already discussed and do monthly about the back street breeding of un health tested dogs, and chucking 2 x breeds together for no other reason than fashion and cash "health tests of 2 separate breeds will do what"?? if they are not compatible in size, breed, structure what good will it do, thats why we have over shot monstrocities being bred with bandy legs that can barely breathe or walk and we have enough issues with badly bred pedigrees in this way so whay breed x monstrocities and preten they are/will be healthier:confused:

Lets not forget puppy designers are cute lie all other pups when bought till they look like a monster when grown and then rid of, there is no surprise with a pedigree.
Im not against x breeds (I own enough) none bought all rescued, im not one of these who say, im so glad they where back street bred, cos now they are mine":rolleyes: Im saying they should never have been here to start with a discarded like rubbish.
 
MurphysMinder said:
I read your previous posts because you posted on the same threads as me , what is odd about that. And you just confirmed that you don't need to seek information, which is what I suggested. Although I have to say i have never met a successful breeder who is not constantly seeking information, as they feel there is always more to learn.
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Of course, in normal circumstances, but not because I'm directed to in a sarcastic manner as a put down by someone on here..come on get real.
Fairly odd to go,back and read posts in an attempt at a cheap jibe!
 
IWillIfIWant said:
Wow dobiegirl so insightful and informative...i dont see what relevance this has to the conversation mind you... the doodle breed is basically being ripped apart and you are both assuming that if its a doodle its got to have been poorly bred and the parents have not been health tested.....this is not fact its your opinion. There are many staffys out there overbred and from untested parents but not all are.... there are many rotties bred untested but not all are, bulldogs,pugs,LABRADORS....the list goes on but i dont hear you blasting the entire breed and nor should you do this about the doodle.
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I am very much against designer breeds and my definition of them is they are designed to part gullible people from their money.I am also against irresponsible breeders breeding non health tested pedigree dogs.

Years ago people whose pedigree dog mated with another breed of pedigree dog gave the resulting puppies away. Nowadays they are given a designer name and very often sell for more money than a pedigree dog of either breed, why is that do you think?,

Responsible pedigree dog breeders breed to improve the breed which rather precludes the designer dog breeder who dosnt have a breed just a x breed.

I am not against working breeds who are crossed and are used to work.
 
xxMozlarxx said:
Did you actually read my post? Do you have one of these dogs? What is your expertise?.
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Ah see this is why I assume you where an expert and must breed them:rolleyes: you say DG has not expertise and basically no right to comment, yet you own one and have advised someone to buy a one based on cuteness and because they are healthier:rolleyes::D
S4S's latest reply I guess sums it all up then.
 
xxMozlarxx said:
Of course, in normal circumstances, but not because I'm directed to in a sarcastic manner as a put down by someone on here..come on get real.
Fairly odd to go,back and read posts in an attempt at a cheap jibe!
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Again if not brandying the "you all buddies the lot of ya" it's "you are putting me down"
I could claim this, but I ain't! im a big girl I can take it without resorting to this:rolleyes:
I have basically been branded a dog hater:D erm yeah....that sums me up, you have got my number clearly:)
 
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