seems my 50 pence worth wasn't far wrong..

[Shilasdair]

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When you've finished slating me Shilasdair.. perhaps you would read my post again?
<font color="blue">Ah, slating = disagreeing with you. I get that now. </font>
Where on EARTH did I put that I condoned it???
<font color="blue"> And where did I say you 'condoned' it? Perhaps you would try reading my post again? </font>

- I said quote "I keep trying to rationalise it" I also said not to jump on me that I wasn't condoning it - just trying to bloody figure it out... I find your post rather rude to be honest!
<font color="blue"> Ah, but if you could 'take a step back', Kate, I'm sure you would realise my post wasn't patronising. </font>
In the grown up world the horses belonged to the creditors... but would a 15yo girl understand that?
<font color="blue"> Yes, 15yr old girls aren't intellectually or emotionally retarded. There are a few on here, and I feel confident to say they understand that loans must be repaid...or the property bought can be repossessed. It's not rocket science. </font>
and in NO WAY am I saying what he did was right... you don't know me very well to think that I would think that - All I was doing was trying to think how horrid it would be to have your horse taken away (and if they had expensive dogs (ie shooting/hunting dogs) then believe me they'd take them and sell them on too!

) Where did you hear me say that it was ok for him to do it as he was sick/mentally ill etc etc etc? I didn't - In fact my post read that I thought he was an "evil sick-headed selfish dick
<font color="blue">Well we are united in our opinion of his as a d*ck (isn't the HHO swear filter quaint?) </font>
- and by saying "take a step back" I didn't mean to patronise people
<font color="blue">I read it as patronising, and implying that only you could see the fuller picture. I accept your explanation of it. </font>
I just meant to say how horrid it must be to have your things repossessed when you're only 15 yo and you rely on your father to look after you - but... as a mother I don't understand how he could do it... the normal reaction is to walk over hot coals to save your family

<font color="blue"> Agreed it would be horrible to have your ponies repossessed, have to go to a new school, live in a rented/council house. But you know what, I am sure she'd have been great about it, if they'd sat down and chatted. If she'd had the choice, I'm sure she wouldn't have wanted her horses shot, nor to be shot herself.

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[Tinkerbee]

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Her friends have made a lovely tribute to Kirstie on You Tube.

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Just watched the video.

So sad.

 

[kibob]

When I was 13 my parents business struggled in the recession and he was made bankcrupt. We lost everything (Ok, we didn't have wealth anywhere near like Mr Foster) house, business, vehicles AND our horses were sold in an attempt to pay our creditors. We moved into a council house and I watched my Dad, a proud man, cycle 10 miles to work everyday. He would have been in his mid forties then and my parents scraped their way back up, eventually being able to buy their own house again.

Yes, it hurt like hell watching everything go, but I understood why this was happening. I would rather have watched those horses going off to their new homes than them be shot. I still had my family, and learnt valuable lessons from the whole experience.

Words cannot describe the contempt I have for that coward of a man, may he rot in hell.

 

[H's mum]

Well I'm glad we've got that sorted out - seems we are singing from the same hymn sheet afterall!

(Maybe I didn't post things properly in my initial post but I'm so taken aback by this whole story I find it too confusing and heartbreaking

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Kate x

 

[H's mum]

What a beautiful tribute - it's made it even more personable - What a tragic end she looked like a lovely and very talented young girl.

My thoughts are with the family and friends who must be understandably distraught by this.
Kate x

 

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everything i have read one says it has not been confirmed that the third body is the daughter, in the cctv police strongly believe it was the husband not it is definate and they suspect he did it not he has done it which to me says they dont have hard facts but speculation so rather than accusing i think we should wait for the full story, for all we know they could have all been in on it and we will never know exactly what happened

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Are you seriously suggesting that the third body is some random stranger, given that poor Kirstie is missing? Or that Mr Foster's elderly relatives (who identified him from CCTV) were mistaken, and it's some other, remarkably similar chap who happened to be going on a fire and gun rampage at their house? Or that a 15yr old girl who has made a pact to die with her parents, would be enjoying a BBQ and chatting cheerfully online minutes beforehand?
Sometimes I am mystified by why people make excuses for evil people like Chris Foster - all the 'he was sick', 'you don't know what you would have done', 'maybe it was a random hitman' nonsense.
Well, I do know that in his position, I'd do my best to sort out my finances honourably, without hurting anyone.
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rather than being so aggressive read the posts properly i am not making excuses at all i have said there are no hard facts yet there has only been one report saying person is believed to be him by relatives so how much truth in that, nothing was seen in the house so how do we know someone he owed a lot of money to was not involved im not saying they were but being that noone else was there i think we should all wait to see what all the evidence has to say because if it was definate that he did it all why is the investigation still going on???? because it has not been proved yet!!!!!IF it turns out that he did it then yes he was wrong in the head and very selfish and a coward for not facing the problems!!!!!

 

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There is not a question in my mind that he must have been a sick man to do what he did. No person of sound mind would be capable of such a thing.

If he had destroyed everything around him and then taken off I could easily believe it was pure evil-minded arrogance and spite, but as he took his own life too, I think they are the actions of a man who has truely lost his grip on reality. What he did is despicable beyond belief, and not excusable in any way at all, but I don't think his actions add up to those of a rational minded killer.

The whole thing is just unbelievably horrific, I feel sickened by the thought of it and my heart goes out to the innocent victims of this stupid, selfish, delusional man.

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Great post.

Just to add - I don't feel that it excuses him at all.

 

[Shilasdair]

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everything i have read one says it has not been confirmed that the third body is the daughter, in the cctv police strongly believe it was the husband not it is definate and they suspect he did it not he has done it which to me says they dont have hard facts but speculation so rather than accusing i think we should wait for the full story, for all we know they could have all been in on it and we will never know exactly what happened

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Are you seriously suggesting that the third body is some random stranger, given that poor Kirstie is missing? Or that Mr Foster's elderly relatives (who identified him from CCTV) were mistaken, and it's some other, remarkably similar chap who happened to be going on a fire and gun rampage at their house? Or that a 15yr old girl who has made a pact to die with her parents, would be enjoying a BBQ and chatting cheerfully online minutes beforehand?
Sometimes I am mystified by why people make excuses for evil people like Chris Foster - all the 'he was sick', 'you don't know what you would have done', 'maybe it was a random hitman' nonsense.
Well, I do know that in his position, I'd do my best to sort out my finances honourably, without hurting anyone.
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rather than being so aggressive read the posts properly i am not making excuses at all i have said there are no hard facts yet there has only been one report saying person is believed to be him by relatives so how much truth in that, nothing was seen in the house so how do we know someone he owed a lot of money to was not involved im not saying they were but being that noone else was there i think we should all wait to see what all the evidence has to say because if it was definate that he did it all why is the investigation still going on???? because it has not been proved yet!!!!!IF it turns out that he did it then yes he was wrong in the head and very selfish and a coward for not facing the problems!!!!!

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Rather than being so aggressive, read the posts properly. I am not making excuses at all. I have said there are no hard facts yet. There has only been one report saying (the?) person is believed to be him by relatives, so how much truth in that? Nothing was seen in the house, so how do we know someone he owed a lot of money to was not involved? I'm not saying they were, but being that no-one else was there I think we should all wait to see what the evidence has to say, because if it was so definite that he did it all, why is the investigation going on? Because it has not been proven yet! If it turns out that he did it then yes, he was 'wrong in the head' and very selfish, and a coward for not facing the problems! </font>


Rather than appearing illiterate, write your posts properly. You do appear to be in some form of denial, given that the police force have matched the bullets with the rifle, and seem very confident regarding what happened. The investigation will continue to generate more evidence for the inquest, and to ensure no detail is left unrecorded before the house is demolished for safety.
Contrary to your apparent belief, the police tend to carry out a thorough investigation and forensic tests, for the inquest.
S

PS I won't bill you for the punctuation, but let me return these; ???? !!!! !!!! I'd hate you to overuse them due to inability to make your point eloquently.

 

[JM07]

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everything i have read one says it has not been confirmed that the third body is the daughter, in the cctv police strongly believe it was the husband not it is definate and they suspect he did it not he has done it which to me says they dont have hard facts but speculation so rather than accusing i think we should wait for the full story, for all we know they could have all been in on it and we will never know exactly what happened

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Are you seriously suggesting that the third body is some random stranger, given that poor Kirstie is missing? Or that Mr Foster's elderly relatives (who identified him from CCTV) were mistaken, and it's some other, remarkably similar chap who happened to be going on a fire and gun rampage at their house? Or that a 15yr old girl who has made a pact to die with her parents, would be enjoying a BBQ and chatting cheerfully online minutes beforehand?
Sometimes I am mystified by why people make excuses for evil people like Chris Foster - all the 'he was sick', 'you don't know what you would have done', 'maybe it was a random hitman' nonsense.
Well, I do know that in his position, I'd do my best to sort out my finances honourably, without hurting anyone.
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rather than being so aggressive read the posts properly i am not making excuses at all i have said there are no hard facts yet there has only been one report saying person is believed to be him by relatives so how much truth in that, nothing was seen in the house so how do we know someone he owed a lot of money to was not involved im not saying they were but being that noone else was there i think we should all wait to see what all the evidence has to say because if it was definate that he did it all why is the investigation still going on???? because it has not been proved yet!!!!!IF it turns out that he did it then yes he was wrong in the head and very selfish and a coward for not facing the problems!!!!!

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Rather than being so aggressive, read the posts properly. I am not making excuses at all. I have said there are no hard facts yet. There has only been one report saying (the?) person is believed to be him by relatives, so how much truth in that? Nothing was seen in the house, so how do we know someone he owed a lot of money to was not involved? I'm not saying they were, but being that no-one else was there I think we should all wait to see what the evidence has to say, because if it was so definite that he did it all, why is the investigation going on? Because it has not been proven yet! If it turns out that he did it then yes, he was 'wrong in the head' and very selfish, and a coward for not facing the problems! </font>


Rather than appearing illiterate, write your posts properly. You do appear to be in some form of denial, given that the police force have matched the bullets with the rifle, and seem very confident regarding what happened. The investigation will continue to generate more evidence for the inquest, and to ensure no detail is left unrecorded before the house is demolished for safety.
Contrary to your apparent belief, the police tend to carry out a thorough investigation and forensic tests, for the inquest.
S

PS I won't bill you for the punctuation, but let me return these; ???? !!!! !!!! I'd hate you to overuse them due to inability to make your point eloquently.

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PMSL

I did point out to this member a few day's back that, incase it had by passed her, the plod aren't too forthcoming on TV with information, unless checked first.

 

[Shilasdair]

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PMSL

I did point out to this member a few day's back that, incase it had by passed her, the plod aren't too forthcoming on TV with information, unless checked first.

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Did I ever tell you, JMO7 how much I dislike people exhorting me to 'read their posts'?

It is wrong on so many levels. The first one is that it implies their posts are actually literate (sadly not always true). Secondly, it implies a deficit in the reader, not the writer in terms of understanding - quite rude.
Thirdly, the people who usually offer this advice, include some random insults along with it (e.g. 'aggressive', 'rude').
Why can't people have a proper, civilised debate - they make points, I respond, they respond to my arguments, etc, without resorting to petty name calling, flouncing and other such?
Sigh.
S

 

[JM07]

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PMSL

I did point out to this member a few day's back that, incase it had by passed her, the plod aren't too forthcoming on TV with information, unless checked first.

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Did I ever tell you, JMO7 how much I dislike people exhorting me to 'read their posts'?

It is wrong on so many levels. The first one is that it implies their posts are actually literate (sadly not always true). Secondly, it implies a deficit in the reader, not the writer in terms of understanding - quite rude.
Thirdly, the people who usually offer this advice, include some random insults along with it (e.g. 'aggressive', 'rude').
Why can't people have a proper, civilised debate - they make points, I respond, they respond to my arguments, etc, without resorting to petty name calling, flouncing and other such?
Sigh.
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sorry, Shils but my 4 o levels dont stretch to coming anywhere near to understanding the above.

ETS T is ok, i've taken advice from a learned colleague

 

[Shilasdair]

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PMSL

I did point out to this member a few day's back that, incase it had by passed her, the plod aren't too forthcoming on TV with information, unless checked first.

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Did I ever tell you, JMO7 how much I dislike people exhorting me to 'read their posts'?

It is wrong on so many levels. The first one is that it implies their posts are actually literate (sadly not always true). Secondly, it implies a deficit in the reader, not the writer in terms of understanding - quite rude.
Thirdly, the people who usually offer this advice, include some random insults along with it (e.g. 'aggressive', 'rude').
Why can't people have a proper, civilised debate - they make points, I respond, they respond to my arguments, etc, without resorting to petty name calling, flouncing and other such?
Sigh.
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sorry, Shils but my 4 o levels dont stretch to coming anywhere near to understanding the above.

ETS T is ok, i've taken advice from a learned colleague

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Read my post instead of being so rude/aggressive!

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[JM07]

.....humbled.....

 

[foxviewstud]

sorry dont have time to make sure my punctuation is perfect, doesnt mean its illiterate

, what happened to innocent UNTIL proven guilty

? so rather than verbally slating the bloke i will wait for the FULL report. this should not be a debate and i think its very sad that people find others opinions highly amusing, its not the first time people have gone this is what has been reported this is what happened and were very very wrong and were proved wrong by the final report. just because the bullets have been matched does not mean that he used it. like i said before i am not making excuses i am just keeping an open mind and not condeming people before i know the full facts, and if that makes me a bad person then i can live with that!

 

[Shilasdair]

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sorry dont have time to make sure my punctuation is perfect, doesnt mean its illiterate

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No, it's not your posts that are illiterate....
I can't be bothered ploughing through the rest of your post, the content isn't worth the effort.
S