Senior horse no longer lying down

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We have a 23 year horse, he’s been with us for ever. He’s my husbands but a real family favourite. He’s huge - 17.2 an Irish draft. A massive, massive horse, big feet and big limbs. My husband retired him early last year as he felt he’d become weak and stumbled a few times. He was only ever used for hacking, he’s had a lovely, easy life just ambling around the lanes so never any hard work or jumping bar the odd log. But even light hacking became hard as he was much weaker and then his shoes were removed as he could no longer stand on 3 legs to be shod (even with bute) he has arthritis in his hocks. last year in the summer he got stuck (sort of cast but managed to get himself up on his own) on the hard ground and seemed to become frightened to lie down, although he does still roll, not as often as he did though.
His rolling is a slow process, he goes down shoulder first and his back legs shake a lot. He seems to only roll if really desperate. You could set your watch by his nap in the past, he loved a long flat out, snoring sleep of a morning and it became noticeable that he wasn’t doing that. He had a bute trial that didn’t make any difference although he does have bute just to take the edge off things, he does much better turned out 24/7 with shelter but despite a huge amount of hard feed and being well rugged up has lost lots of weight and muscle very noticeable on his large frame, especially as in all the years we’ve had him he’s come out of winter ‘well’. he was cushings tested but it was in the grey area but we put him on pracsend on the vets advice. Last weekend he went to roll and it took him 4 attempts to get up and my husband was very distressed and cried (he really loves his horse, we all do) and said it’s time but I wonder if we should give him the summer but my husband says he thinks he’s lost his sparkle and is exhausted not being able to lie down. He is very slow and takes his time turning around and sometimes rests his head on his haynet. We keep him at home so I do see him a lot and unless he’s lying down at night (no evidence) he hadn’t lay down for months, however he’s still fairly bright eyed, often trots in for tea, mutual grooming his buddy etc. I think my husband is probably right - he knows him best. But someone we know made a passing comment about spring grass and sunshine and they would give him one last summer (but he doesn’t like hard ground) and now I’m in pieces wondering if he’s called it too early and feeling judged but equally with children who also love the horse we have to be united when we tell them, it’s hanging over our heads and just feels awful. And I don’t want it to become an issue or there to be any resentment on either side :( my husband said he had mentally given him winter and he didn’t come out at all well so he’s absolutely not giving him summer. Also he said if he had to get his jcb out to get him up if couldn’t he’d never forgive himself, I KNOW he’s right but why am I still questioning it :(
 

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ok. Tis is very very hard but I think it's time. Your husband is right. Your lovely horse sounds exhausted and it's probably not fair to continue with him.

I hate making these decisions. But if you have animals you do have to make them. Many hugs from here. It won't be easy. but it needs to be done. Sooner rather than later.
 

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It's always a tough call to make and that's why you are questioning it. It's nicer to imagine a much-loved horse on a sunny day eating grass, but the underlying issues will still be upseting and stressing the horse. your husband is totally right. It is absolutely the kindest thing to do.
 

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Tbh I think your husband is right, hard though it is to make the decision. Having difficulty getting up and down would be the final straw for me. I think 'one last summer' isn't everything it used to be, either - the chances of rock-hard ground and heatwaves are so much higher these days. Our oldie much prefers the winter these days.
 

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I think your husband is right. Giving them the summer is a lovely idea, but not if they’re struggling today. Then the summer is for us not for them. I’m really sorry as this must be very hard, but I think as you have tried Bute and your husband knows him well and has said he thinks it’s time, I’d be making the call. If he was mine it would be a big fuss and cuddles, his favourite things to eat, and a quiet step out of those old clothes, loved til the end. No summer can compete with that.

Thinking of you. I know how hard it is.
 

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Thank you so much. I have cried reading the replies but I needed to see them written down. That’s more or less what my husband said ‘one last summer is for us not him’ but it’s hard when a very casual comment won’t leave you - I’m actually a very rational person but this has really thrown my usual thinking! Our gorgeous horse doesn’t like the heat either (although does love the summer grass) in my heart, I just know he wants to sleep now. I’ve just been reading about sleep deprivation and he fits all the signs :(
 

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It sounds like time if you are not prepared to put him through steroid injections. Hard decision.
I am curious have you considered steroid injections or arthramid? The pain of his hocks might be causing him to lose weight and I expect this will be the same reason he isn't lying down. Just thought I'd mention in case you didn't know.

Fair enough if you are not prepared to throw any money at him, it can get very expensive, I know. Thinking of you.
 
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I have one who is going before the hot weather he’s an ID my wicked funny friend Fatty , we have had a couple of warnings that he’s ageing over the winter .
He‘s a horse with a poor sweating response and he’s never liked the heat He will be gone after a pleasant spring .
It’s a difficult thing to do .
 
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It is so hard , one of mine a year or two ago I decided she would not do another winter, but that summer was awful for me, constantly thinking about it.
The one that's gone today, I decided yesterday and she was gone at noon today
 

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We said goodbye to our 35 year old girl back in 2021, she used to fall asleep at her door and would nearly fall every afternoon in the process. Rolling she took ages to get back up, and we had to try and assist her. We knew the time had come, it's a horrible thing to face. Thinking of you all
 

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It sounds like time if you are not prepared to put him through steroid injections. Hard decision.

we have a smaller pony who we have had steroid injections for - much older and in full work inc jumping! They worked for him. We did discuss injections but the vet said as a lot of bute doesn’t make much difference (if any) that the injections probably won’t be the answer - he’s an enormous framed horse and it just seems that the size of him and the years have all caught up with him and tbh every bit of him seems old and stiff so not sure where we’d start :( plus he is also border line Cushings so that carries the lami risk. Someone said like big dogs, big horses age faster-not sure if true. Incredibly hard decision, he’s the nicest horse.
 

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It is so hard , one of mine a year or two ago I decided she would not do another winter, but that summer was awful for me, constantly thinking about it.
The one that's gone today, I decided yesterday and she was gone at noon today
I’m so sorry. It is the worst part about loving them :(
 

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we have a smaller pony who we have had steroid injections for - much older and in full work inc jumping! They worked for him. We did discuss injections but the vet said as a lot of bute doesn’t make much difference (if any) that the injections probably won’t be the answer - he’s an enormous framed horse and it just seems that the size of him and the years have all caught up with him and tbh every bit of him seems old and stiff so not sure where we’d start :( plus he is also border line Cushings so that carries the lami risk. Someone said like big dogs, big horses age faster-not sure if true. Incredibly hard decision, he’s the nicest horse.
That's the benefit of having arthamid as it carries no laminitis risk. However, its not a cheap option. You have to do what you feel is the right thing, he's you and your husbands horse.
It is not up to anyone on the forum to sway your mind either way. I just wanted to be sure you knew of the options first before making such a huge decision and you clearly do. Sorry.
 
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From what you've said the decision sounds overdue, your horse has no concept of the summer is coming, just that he is struggling now. It sounds very much like the time is right.
The phrase better a week too soon rather than a day too late is very true. I've done the day too late once & years later it still haunts me.
Your husband knows the horse best, no outsiders opinion counts.
 

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With my old horse I wanted to give him 'one last summer' but he got too bad with arthritis to make it fair on him. I didn't want to come home from work and find him struggling on the ground, unable to get back up. And yet he looked content with his lot which made it a very hard choice.
When I called the vet out for him, the vet took one look and said, you are right, it's time. I'd seen him every day, I'd spent hours with him. It's hard to spot the signs of deterioration when you are with them that much. But the vet saw it.
Ending a life is a big decision and questioning our choice is quite natural. I'd say that's the mark of a caring owner, and that's why you are having a hard time with it.
 

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I agree with your husband , there will come a day when he can’t get up and that will be very stressful for him and all of you. When my 24 year old boy struggled to get up after rolling I made the decision to let him go before the weather turned worse as wet slippery ground would have made it more difficult for him. I have never regretted that decision even though I would have liked to have kept him longer..
 

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It sounds like time if you are not prepared to put him through steroid injections. Hard decision.
I am curious have you considered steroid injections or arthramid? The pain of his hocks might be causing him to lose weight and I expect this will be the same reason he isn't lying down. Just thought I'd mention in case you didn't know.

Fair enough if you are not prepared to throw any money at him, it can get very expensive, I know. Thinking of you.

Birker, I have been avoiding responding to your posts for a long time now, as I am sick of being told how awful I am. However - in this instance - this post comes across so unkindly. Please think about how you phrase your responses on sensitive topics. I've edited it for you - it would have been a nice post if you'd avoided the "If you're not prepared" nonsense
 

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I haven’t got anything to add to all above but just wanted to say he has had a wonderful life with you and your husband and you both obviously love him. Sending hugs
 

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OP - this is my old horse (26). You can see that he has to work harder than a younger horse to get up from a roll/lying down, and I am keeping a very careful eye on him these days. If he starts struggling any more than in this video, I will call time. Thought it might be useful to have another big, heavy, arthritic horse to compare to yours
 

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OP - this is my old horse (26). You can see that he has to work harder than a younger horse to get up from a roll/lying down, and I am keeping a very careful eye on him these days. If he starts struggling any more than in this video, I will call time. Thought it might be useful to have another big, heavy, arthritic horse to compare to yours

Thank you. Yes this is similar - he goes to sit up slowly but on Saturday he had to sit up several times - it followed a lot of rain and he just couldn’t seem to get a grip on the ground, unlike my daughters pony several years older who just springs about like a lamb. He lay back down in between which was awful then when he did get up he went to join his buddy and had a nice graze. He’s so so big and although we know about the hocks I wouldn’t be suprised if his front legs are bad too and his shoulders etc, even without x raying it’s apparent everything seems much stiffer. We kept him light hacking for 18 months or so before his retirement as movement helped - but he’s aged rapidly over winter. And thank you for the above post too.

it feels so hard because it’s a massive decision we’ve had to make as a couple and we will need to talk to the children as a family united too.
 

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Your husband is right. I had to pts one last year for the same reasons. I was giving him a last summer too, but the decision was taken out of my hands when he couldn’t get up. Fortunately I have cctv so I know he wasn’t down for long, and he wasn’t distressed (he had a bucket full of forbidden food while waiting for the vet) but I wouldn’t have forgiven myself if he’d been there all night.

Whatever you do you’ll just be putting off the inevitable I’m afraid. If he’s lost his sparkle, it’s probably a good time to let him go.
 

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I had my wonderful mare pts last summer. It was a tough couple of months leading up to it. She got a couple of really bad abscesses that we treated (one was the worst I’ve ever seen!) and other issues. She had arthritis and hock issues. She too didn’t roll much (whereas she’d been a pro roller in her youth). In the end she was lame again for something else and it hit me that this wasn’t the lovely retirement I’d dreamed of for her, she was starting to struggle. Why was I waiting for autumn? For me? So she was pts quietly at her longtime home. And in the end it was a lot easier to do/come to term with than watching her constantly looking stiff/not quite herself/needing the vet.

I always seem to accept that it’s time for our oldies slightly before my husband does. He always wants to try longer. It makes the decision tougher. I think your husband is right here.🙁
 
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