Shame on you H&H!

oh please, how pathetic you all are. It WAS an incredible achievement, 2 women placing, 1 winning, at the Cheltenham festival? Extraordinary - very well done to them, excellent rides from both of them.
 
I was particularly watching Katie Walsh over the last fence and the run in, and I actually thought she used her whip (touching the horse) rarely. I thought she did an excellent job of hands and heels for most of the run in.

Congratulations to her and her runner-up for a terrific performance.

I just hope her brother can do the same!
 
"Excellent rides" . . . . . "congratulations"?????????????????
Words fail me. Being handed a four day ban for excessive use of the whip is NOTHING to be proud of whether you are male or female. Perhaps their role model is A P McCoy [who was famously banned for a very long time and was sent back to the British Racing School for exactly the same offence.]
 
If you believe, as a supposed fan of racing, that yesterday's achievement of two girls first and second, was shameful, then you don't grasp it. They didn't beat all the rest of the field because of the whip, they were well clear.
Now, I don't really like to see horses being hit, but it is part of racing. They slightly overstepped the mark in their efforts to beat each other, and they're not the only jockeys to have had a few days holiday give for the same offence this meeting, so why denigrate their particular exceptional achievement?
 
What a load of old ****.

I don't advocate hitting the horses. But the whips are the safest they have ever been, if you pick one up you will see that - they did not even mark the horses because if they did, they'd have been in serious trouble. Yesterday my horse refused to go through the gateway, so he got several large cracks on his bottom with a normal stick - am I now crueller than those jocks?

Can't you be happy that they actually GOT a ban - they were punished for their oveuse, you'd have been damn unhappy if they hadn't been. It was an incredible achievement for Katie to win, you could see how emotion she was as it's actually rather a big thing to win at the festival. People can never be happy for people can they, there is always a grumble :rolleyes:

I thought it was a marvellous ride to get him home and a very well deserved win. Well done Katie!
 
amymay said:
Then why use it quite so excessively?:confused:
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Because there was 2 in with a chance and in the heat of the moment to try and beat each other, they overused the whip.

Then they were penalised for it. As a result, Nina Carberry, one of the best female jocks around, will miss Aintree which will be gutting for her I'm sure. They didn't get away with it, nor did they do anything shockingly wrong - the horses weren't marked or beaten within an inch of their lives...
 
or beaten within an inch of their lives...
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Of course they weren't - I agree.

I just find the whole thing of beating a horse that is trying his heart out over the line distasteful and uncessasary....
 
I am always amazed by how quickly people can turn nasty in thie forum. Just because a persons opinion is different from yours it does not make them 'ignorant' of 'talking *******s'!
I can see the amazing achievement of these two women, and I really am not a fan of racing! However as role models and top sports people they are also expected to behave appropriately and being banned for over use of the whip is not a positive image! I don't think it is ok to 'over use the whip' in any circumstances whether competition, racing etc.! the moment we put put winning and money before ethics is the moment we cross the line.

I am ready to be now shot down by all the cynics rather than an open constructive discussion!!!
 
John Francome quote today about Katie Walsh and her overuse of the whip:

"When someone ribbed her over the whip ban she retorted "yeah, and he'd have got three more cracks if it had made the difference between winning and losing""
 
Sunny08 said:
I am always amazed by how quickly people can turn nasty in thie forum. Just because a persons opinion is different from yours it does not make them 'ignorant' of 'talking *******s'!
I can see the amazing achievement of these two women, and I really am not a fan of racing! However as role models and top sports people they are also expected to behave appropriately and being banned for over use of the whip is not a positive image! I don't think it is ok to 'over use the whip' in any circumstances whether competition, racing etc.! the moment we put put winning and money before ethics is the moment we cross the line.

I am ready to be now shot down by all the cynics rather than an open constructive discussion!!!
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No shots fired here. You make some relevant points.
There is a huge difference between appropriate use of the whip, and over use of the whip.
 
They need the whips, it's not just to 'beat' them with..... it's to help try and keep then straight as well..........
 
"When someone ribbed her over the whip ban she retorted "yeah, and he'd have got three more cracks if it had made the difference between winning and losing""
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Nice. Interesting as I think that woman can quite often be so much harder in this sport than men....
 
Caledonia said:
They need the whips, it's not just to 'beat' them with..... it's to help try and keep then straight as well..........
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Fair point - and have seen the affect switching hands can have - sometimes dramitcally. Just don't hit them (my last word I promise :p)
 
Caledonia said:
They need the whips, it's not just to 'beat' them with..... it's to help try and keep then straight as well..........
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Agree with that. It can make a huge difference.
I also think they are needed as a wake up call for some horses, and I don't have a problem with them being used.... as long as it's not excessive.
 
amymay said:
I really like racing, love watching it - just wish they'd throw their godamn whips away..............:(
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I'll play devil's advocate here. You object to the use of the whip in racing so presumably you consider yourself to be a fair and humane individual. Yet you freely admit to loving and watching a sport where on average 166 horses die taking part in each year. I'd be really interested to know how you can square this in your mind.

For the record I like racing, I watch it and bet on it and realise that accidents do happen. But 467 horses dead or destroyed following serious injury during racing (which appears to exclude fatalities during point to point meetings) between the 13th March 2007 and yesterday seems to be a very high price to pay.
 
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