She fell over...

Joint looks slightly swollen to me... I knew a horse that whacked its leg like that, must have been a very tiny pinhole puncture wound. Horse was sound , owner refused to get vet out, in the end YO called vet out, horse was antibiotics as leg was just ever so slightly swollen, owner went mental that vet had been called and she was billed, horse still sound just slight heat and swelling, two weeks later horse was shot, that tiny puncture wound, caused infection in the bone, the horse's leg caved in, vet then reckoned the horse must have had a slight fracture to the bone even though she was sound throughout. Makes me paranoid about the slightest cut on horses leg now.
 
Billie1007 said:
That 'looks' like a puffy joint? Have you got a comparison pic with the other leg?
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To be honest i could be the angle should have took one from the floor it was took not long after her being in all night too I haven't but I'll be going back up soon so I'll take some more from a better angle and with the other leg. bearing in my mind she had been stood for about 12 hours in her stable so could be that. Iv'e had a vet comment on her circulation before they do look puffy sometimes which the vet didn't seem concerned by.
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From the pic it just looks like a graze to be honest.
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thank you :)


Is it possble that it could be a puncture so tiny That i'm unable to see it ?
 
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That just looks like a scrape to me with brusing around the area. If she is sound and weight bearing, I wouldn't be calling the vet. Yes she might not want to to touch it, but I wouldn't want someone touching my cuts either. I would be cold hosing and turning out to keep the brusing down, I would also be covering the wound in a spray of some sort to keep it clean and keep the infection out.

My mare got kicked int he leg the other week and I didn't get vet out. I did cold hose for 20 minutes and trot up (she was lame, but no broken bones etc) she was kept in and hosed for 2 days and 20 minutes a time and inhand walked or turnout in the school. Not the way some people would have done it, but I would be poor if I called vet out for every single thing.
 
Littlelegs - was there really any need for that tirade!!! The poster was asking for advice not to be told she obviously hasn't got a clue what she is doing.
Are you always so sharp or are you having a bad day!
 
JJB - read in a shouty arsey voice it sounds like a tirade, read in Mrs Doubtfire's lilting Scottish accent and it reverts to bloomin' sound advice!
 
I am really really surprised at the horrible attitude to this poor poster!
I am a veterinary nurse and I can tell you I wouldn't be wasting my money on calling a vet our for unbroken skin, no lameness and a tender area!
3 days on if you had even a pinprick of a puncture wound there would be an area of red and thinning of skin in that area is pus was forming.

How many of us really call the vet immediately?
My friends TB was so lame in the field in the summer she was walking on 3 legs, we brought her in, examined her, noticed she was swollen in her fetlock, gave her some bute, cold hosed her, literally within 2 hrs she was sound and next day she was fine!
A lame horse always gets left to get better with me for at least a day, more times than not they recover spontaniously!
My old TB only needed a little nick and he got septaesemia, we never saw it coming and first sympton would be nose bleeds and leg like a tree, that I class as an immediate vets visit!

People need to stop attacking innocent caring owners who are asking for help, there are really REALLY knowledgeable people on this site who can help, stop critisizing people for asking for help!
OP sounds like a really caring owner to me, wish everyone was as caring as that.
OP I would buy yourself a thermometer and look up how to take your horses temperature and respiratory rate/ pulse rate, this is a really good indicator of infection :-) XX
 
Tormenta said:
Well shoot me down too because I do not call the vet everytime a horse is lame either!
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Me neither. But, OTOH, I think I probably know a little bit more than was suggested by the first post when the OP isn't even too sure whose horse it is!

If you know what you are doing, then fine. Otherwise you owe it to your horse to call a vet.
 
Beausmate said:
Nope, neither do I. But I wouldn't ask for advice on a forum, either I'd know what I was doing of if I was in doubt I call my vet.
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You have asked about your dog who was squatting/urinating frequently tho, cystitis/urethritis/pyometras.... all can be very serious in bitches, u asked here and didn't take your dog to the vet.... come on we are all human, we all ask for help sometimes........doesn't mean she isn't knowledgeable as I am sure you're not with your bitch, you just wanted a heads up from fellow owners!
 
When I was younger I used to call the vet for every sniffle, scratch or limp, a costly lesson but as my confidence and experience grew I learned to judge on symptoms and circumstance.

I think OP you may have had a better response had you phoned your vet for advice, it's free, and may have put your mind at rest and helped with the situation.
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
You have asked about your dog who was squatting/urinating frequently tho, cystitis/urethritis/pyometras.... all can be very serious in bitches, u asked here and didn't take your dog to the vet.... come on we are all human, we all ask for help sometimes........doesn't mean she isn't knowledgeable as I am sure you're not with your bitch, you just wanted a heads up from fellow owners!
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I only wanted to know if anyone else had had similar when their bitch was in season. I actually did speak to my vet about it. Dog is fine, it was a minor uti. I won't ask on here again though, more hostile than helpful.
 
Beausmate said:
I only wanted to know if anyone else had had similar when their bitch was in season. I actually did speak to my vet about it. Dog is fine, it was a minor uti. I won't ask on here again though, more hostile than helpful.
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I thought the replies were very helpful that you got, if you ever get a UTI symptoms with your bitch again, I would just pop a urine sample to the vets minus the dog, it will be really cheap, say £10 for a quick dip of the urine and tell you immediately if a problem, much cheaper than taking your bitch as you won't have to pay a consultation fee. My bitch used to squat loads when she was in season, like marking her territory :)

I wasn't meaning to upset anyone, I just find it really disheartening when owners who care enough to ask, get shouted at for asking, felt like sticking up for the OP... will crawl away now back under my stone:D
 
The problem with this kind of thread is that flags were raised because the OP hadn't performed the appropriate first aid when she made her first post.....that signals a lack of knowledge - that's not a problem, but you should then seek vet advice. I can understand folk not wanting to pay for a vet, but most are pretty good at giving free advice over the phone so long as you don't take the pee, so that's what I would have done here.

If that had happened to one of mine, it would immediately have been cold hosed and the site clipped back there and then so I could see what was happening, if anything. If it didn't seem major and was out of hours for vet, I would have given a sachet of bute as a precaution to help to stop the onset of the inflammatory cascade, just in case. Horse would be checked again in the morning, for signs of heat etc, trotted up and if still not happy, I would then have spoken to the vet and asked for advice over the phone. This would immediately allay all this guesswork as to ok or not, 'cos if your vets are genuine and are still worried after listening to your description, then they need to come out.

DDumpling - It did sound as if all the OP really wanted was reassurance that she had done the right things and that it was nothing serious, but as usual, if you ask the question and you haven't done the right things, then you have to be ready for people to pick up on that. I know she just wanted ideas as to what it might be; in fact, that is what she got - a whole range of them from bruising (best outcome) to a small puncture wound and infection (not so good), but she wasn't so keen on the bad outcomes. None of us can tell what's going on from here.

If my horse's leg was still very hot after three days (which seems to be the case if I read the OP correctly), I would be a wee bit worried......

Saying that someone else should pay for the vet and that the horse is very well looked after 'cos you wash the rug and keep the horse clean whenever it's muddy doesn't really help the situation - sorry OP!
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
I just find it really disheartening when owners who care enough to ask, get shouted at for asking, felt like sticking up for the OP.
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Completely agree!! I haven't been on this forum for ages... now I remember why.. because some people are so far up their own ar$es!! Anything you post just gets shot down in flames. Why can't people agree to disagree without slagging people off. Grrrrr :mad:
Bring back all the nice people who used to be on the forum 2 or 3 years ago!!:rolleyes:
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
I just find it really disheartening when owners who care enough to ask, get shouted at for asking, felt like sticking up for the OP... will crawl away now back under my stone:D
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I do agree with that as well DD, but I guess some people just get jaded or have a bad day, though nothing Littlelegs said was really out of place. As someone else said, it depends on the context you take the replies in.
 
I don't see where anything I've said could be classed as a tirade or rude. And I haven't a clue how much general experience op has either. What was clear though is that op didn't have enough experience of the type of injury her horse actually had to make a judgement on definitely being able to treat it unaided. I've treated plenty of stuff myself, but I've always been 100% confident of what I was doing, if ever I've not, I've called the vet. I've had enough experience of injury to know what is or isn't within my knowledge. Yet if I was attending say a foaling alone, I would have the vet out for peace of mind, over things someone else wouldn't even think about calling a vet for. Because if you don't know, imo you get the vet. And whilst everyone is always learning, I don't personally feel its appropriate to learn by risking a horses health. If that makes me sharp, or horrid in the eyes of some, then so be it, I don't seek the approval of people who place an owners feelings over that of the horses needs. Maybe ops horse has recovered itself & the vet wasn't needed. I just think its a massive gamble to take, when you aren't sure what you're dealing with. And I would rather tell someone to get a vet, regardless of whether they believe that infringes on their finances or belittles their experience, than to have answered a thread saying 'horse rushed to hospital with massive infection' or similar.
And no, not a bad day at all, just stating my honest opinion. Apologies if that wasn't the back patting soothing opinion people wanted, but never the less it remains unchanged.
 
Littlelegs said:
And no, not a bad day at all, just stating my honest opinion. Apologies if that wasn't the back patting soothing opinion people wanted, but never the less it remains unchanged.
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Thought you were probably feeling fine and just telling it as you saw it, but you never know! :D

When in doubt......get the Vet out! My OH wishes that I didn't live by this mantra!
 
Advice was asked for and given,in this case to get the vet .This was the correct advise as without seeing or feeling the wound no one was in a position to say anything but. I do feel some people have been harsh to Littlelegs ,I for one did not read her reply as rude ,just to the point ,which IMO is better than waffling on about rubbish. I have always found her to give good common sense advice. Also saying you do not want to spend money to be told nothing is wrong is strange as surely you want to be reassured that nothing is wrong. Wishing your horse a speedy recovery.
 
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Ok my judgment was not on form, I normally would have cold hosed and trotted up but to be honest. I'd had a really crappy day and just felt like crying made a mistake which i can't change and i feel awful which i dont really want to go into but the fact remains I didn't do the right thing I know if she's hurt it's my fault and none elses. Some of these posts have made me feel pretty crap i'm not going to lie say they didn't when they did

I really like it if people would now not keping repeating that i did wrong and try to help and support me rather than criticize and analysis everything i did

all of you will have mad a mistake you regret horsey or no horsey

thank you to everyone who's tried to stick up for me here
It really means alot :)
 
Looks fine to me too. Just keep a very close eye for any sign of heat or swelling. And cover the holes or fill them. And if you can't afford the vet, get insurance, then keep the excess in a separate account. Or if you don't want or can't insure her, get a credit card & put it away for emergencies.
Thankyou chattygoneon3.
 
Thank you :) I'll be sure to keep checking for sweelling or anything I was looking at the holes tonight am still working out how to fill them. I do have insurance. I'm the sort of person that will do anything in my power to look after my horse the best i can if that meant not eating to pay for a vet I would.If she gets worse i will for sure ring a vet if it's not right tomorrow.
 
Hope she's ok OP, you will always get this sort of reaction on a forum, people can only judge by what they read and not necessarily judging you, have a ((((((((((((hug)))))))))))))
 
Depending on size you could fill them with old hay or similar & put rubber mats over. Best bet is a diy concrete job, but depending on how deep the holes are even the quick drying stuff might take too long, so that might be a summer job when you don't need it overnight. If the holes are in walkways, rather than where she actually stays, gravel will do for now.
 
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