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moocow

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Not sure if this makes it any clearer its from wikipedia

Jetsam are goods that were thrown off a ship, which was in danger, to save the ship. Flotsam are goods that floated off the ship while it was in danger or when it sank. Ligan are goods left in the sea on the wreck or tied to a buoy so that they can be recovered later by the owners. Derelict is abandoned vessels or cargo.

In the United Kingdom under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995, jetsam, flotsam, lagan and all other cargo and wreckage remain the property of their original owners. Anyone, including recreational divers and beachcombers, removing those goods must inform the Receiver of Wreck to avoid the accusation of theft.

The Receiver of Wreck is an official of the British government whose main task is to process incoming reports of wreck in order to:

Give legitimate owners the opportunity to retrieve their property
Ensure that law-abiding finders of wreck receive an appropriate reward
This involves researching ownership, liaising with the finder and the owner, and other interested parties, such as archaeologists and museums.
What is wreck?
According to the Merchant Shipping Act 1995, wreck is:

Flotsam - Flotsam are goods lost from a ship which has sunk or otherwise perished which are recoverable because they have floated.
Jetsam - Jetsam are goods cast overboard (jettisoned) in order to lighten a vessel which is in danger of sinking, even if they ultimately perish.
Derelict - Derelict is property which has been abandoned and deserted at sea by those who were in charge without any hope of recovering it. This includes vessels and cargo.
Lagan - Lagan (or ligan) are goods cast overboard from a ship, which afterwards perish, buoyed so that they can be recovered later.

The requirements of UK law
It is a legal requirement that all recovered wreck landed in the United Kingdom is reported to the Receiver of Wreck, whether recovered from within or outside UK waters and even if the finder is the owner. The Receiver of Wreck will investigate ownership. The owner has one year in which to come forward and prove title to the property. During this period it is common for the finder to hold the wreck on behalf of the Receiver of Wreck while investigations are carried out.

Wreck which remains unclaimed after a year becomes the property of the Crown and the Receiver of Wreck is required to dispose of it. Often the finder is allowed to keep items of unclaimed wreck in lieu of a salvage award
 

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If people salvage the goods, tehy ahve 28 days to file a form declaring the items they have. it is then up to the owners of the property to arrange for its collection within a set period of time, otherwise the property becomes that of the salvager
 

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So its not theft aslong as the person informs the owner, the owners if commercial goods are likely to not give two hoots as they are recieving insurance payments anyway.

Ah well atleast I know that now, thanks emma69...I'll be waiting for a shipwreck near me now..I'm only 5 miles from the coast
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Re the notes and the machine - if you don't take reasonable steps to trace the owner and just assume ownership outright, then it's theft by finding.

If you take the money to a police station, or inform them of it, get a receipt if they hang on to it, and there are no claims to it in 28 days you can then claim ownership - it's the same applying here, only greed seems to have taken over...

As for wind me up - I doubt you could, I just rumble along...
 

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(QR) if I lived down there I'd definitely have gone for a good look! I don't think it's disgusting behaviour, seems a pretty natural human reaction to me... or perhaps I'm just a terrible person lol
Taking personal stuff would feel bad though.
 

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The beach is closed and so is the village there are police everywhere blocking entrances etc. Bet these people who ahev taken stuff off the beach wont be so quick to help in the cleanup operation. I for one will be and so will my colleagues. Stuff is already being sold on ebay now and I thought they had to wait a certain amount of time??
 

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They Do Arabian Knights - 28 days.

Most of the stuff on ebay has been removed - I reported all I saw...

Massive well done to you for helping in the clean up - if I was closer I'd be down to assist...
 

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Theft....

"The dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it"

If someone came here and picked up apples from our tree, we'd see it as theft, same as those who come and pick the blackberries.

If they asked if they could pick them, the answer would probably be yes.

I wouldn't pick up anything off the beach myself. It doesn't belong to me and therefore I wouldn't take it.

But that's just me. It's not a moral high ground but it is the way I was brought up.
 

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Also just thought I would like to add that there were personal belongings that people actually owned and were transporting them on the ship. One newsreader stopped two poachers breaking into a container that had tables and chairs in it and said "you know that belongs to someone don't you?" The response was "don't care"and a shrug of the shoulders.
Says it all really.
 
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