Shocked at H+H advice not to wear too much hi-viz

lyndsayberesford said:
i know the owner of the horse very well, she was not a child herself, she is mid 20's now. none of the riders were hurt as far as i am aware

she told me that the pick up truck with a rattling garden trailer on the back was going too fast and it struck the hind leg of the mare and sliced it open.

The mare had to be PTS at the roadside :(

RIP Ruby
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Awful situation for them all... Thanks for the update Lyndsay, I had wondered if anyone might have personal contact with those involved - it can't be an easy time for them at the moment...

Do you know if the police are undertaking an investigation if his speed/judgement is in dispute?
 
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Condolences to all concerned.

Can only hope that this dreadful incident results in some off road tracks for the local riders.
 
I just wanted to say that I was involved in a road traffic incident that ended up with my horse being PTS at the scene, a broken knee for me and it would seem a life time of fear for anything with 4 wheels and a person behind the wheel! I had my high viz on and my fjord pony I think was quite noticeable. I only ride on farm land now but never without my hi viz. The roads are very dangerous with or without hi viz. I say always wear hi viz but please dont forget there is always a potential idiot about to drive down the road or round the bend. Some drivers dont care if they can see you or not they are just incompetent.
If the worst happens you dont want to be told you arent insured because you didnt have any Hi-viz on.
 
Tinypony said:
That is brilliant Nah, you are really talented!

I don't want to put a damper on things, do you need to check about copyright on the Bertie Bassett? Or would that only be needed if it were to be used in publicity? Mind you "High Viz for Horses - sponsored by Bassett's" has a bit of a ring to it.
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I think you ought to contact someone about using him... they may well back it as a campaign :)

Pan
 
sodapop said:
I just wanted to say that I was involved in a road traffic incident that ended up with my horse being PTS at the scene, a broken knee for me and it would seem a life time of fear for anything with 4 wheels and a person behind the wheel! I had my high viz on and my fjord pony I think was quite noticeable. I only ride on farm land now but never without my hi viz. The roads are very dangerous with or without hi viz. I say always wear hi viz but please dont forget there is always a potential idiot about to drive down the road or round the bend. Some drivers dont care if they can see you or not they are just incompetent.
If the worst happens you dont want to be told you arent insured because you didnt have any Hi-viz on.
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What a horrible thing to happen to you :(

You are right in what you say - Hi-Viz or not, drivers can be idiots. Twice yesterday evening I had people speed past (on my side of the road) as I was waiting to exit the bridleway. One man decided that as he was going to swerve away from where I was it was still ok to drive about 60mph. And only a few months ago some idiot overtook me on the road and decided he could squeeze past before the oncoming car got to him. He was so close to my horse I could've touched the car.
 
For anyone who has sadly been involved in an accident with a vehicle I would always recommend taking a private civil action against the driver concerned once the police have achieved a conviction or the cps have decided not to prosecute.
Then once you win it get it plastered around the local papers, radio stations and tv so that local motorists are made aware that they should take care when passing horse riders.
 
true dragon said:
hey NAH, ive seen your bertie bassett hi viz picture loads on my FB news feed today! well done you! your design seems to be appealing to the masses out there :)
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Just gone up on my fb too, brilliant work Nah!

In regards to the horse accident, my condolences. Regardless of our personal opinions this isn't a time or place to give the rider more 'what ifs'.

I also didn't bother with hi-viz before (only a couple of reins etc on the horse) and will do now regardless of whether on roads or not. I believe the statistics should stick to overall numbers or older cases, not something so fresh for those involved.

Pan
 
sodapop said:
I just wanted to say that I was involved in a road traffic incident that ended up with my horse being PTS at the scene, a broken knee for me and it would seem a life time of fear for anything with 4 wheels and a person behind the wheel! I had my high viz on and my fjord pony I think was quite noticeable. I only ride on farm land now but never without my hi viz. The roads are very dangerous with or without hi viz. I say always wear hi viz but please dont forget there is always a potential idiot about to drive down the road or round the bend. Some drivers dont care if they can see you or not they are just incompetent.
If the worst happens you dont want to be told you arent insured because you didnt have any Hi-viz on.
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oh dear, how terrible for you! what a horrible thing to happen. its every riders worst nightmare, and your so right, sometimes drivers will drive badly even if your fully kitted out in hi viz. accidents will happen no matter what your wearing. its the very nature of our hobby/sport

i agree about the insurance statement though, it must be horrible if your involved in a RTA that was not your fault, but the insurance company wont pay out because you were not wearing hi viz.
 
I think the police did arrive at the scene. And yes the driver did apparently see them but impatiently overtook!
If its taught me anything it is to wear hi viz! Been out and bought a new "polite" hi viz today and will vow to wear it on every hack now!
I hope this person gets prosecuted just for the trauma caused alone!!!!!
So many impatient and inconsiderate drivers :(
 
So tragic. I've just seen a report in horsetrader online about the accident. It does sound as though the driver will have to face the consequences, not that it will ever bring back poor Ruby. :( x
 
lannerch said:
Justforfun the accident sadly would have happened with or without hiviz that is no comfort to the poor poor person who has lost her horse.
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I think I may have written that wrong or taken the wrong way, nothing could ever comfort the owner of the horse and all those involved but the point I was trying to make was maybe just 1 person goes out today and gets some hi-viz stuff and that saves a nasty accident{Yes I can see now that hi-viz wouldnt have stopped ths terrible accident} Sorry If what I typed came across the wrong way.
 
bikerchickone said:
So tragic. I've just seen a report in horsetrader online about the accident. It does sound as though the driver will have to face the consequences, not that it will ever bring back poor Ruby. :( x
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this is the report

A horse owner is campaigning to raise awareness of horse riders on the road after her horse was killed in a horrific accident.

Nicky Allen, whose family owned the horse, has urged road users to take care near horse riders.

The horse, a seven-year-old mare named Ruby, was struck by a flatbed trailer after a Toyota pick-up truck that was towing it overtook her and her rider.

The incident took place on Monday evening, just before 6.45pm and resulted in the road being closed for two hours. Ruby’s rider and the other horses that were in the group that Ruby was being ridden with managed to escape unharmed but Ruby was left with severe injuries and had to be put down.

Nicky, who is from Knypersley, said: “Every time you go out on the roads, there are at least two other people who put your life in danger.

“Some of the worst examples you find are motorists taking their kids to school and in a rush. There needs to be more awareness of horses on the roads.” Ruby had been on loan to another experienced rider and had been taken out on roads and bridleways a number of times.

“They had just set out to go riding when it happened,” said Nicky.

Horses can be unpredictable, but Ruby was so good on the roads.This has knocked me for six. I’ve never seen anything like it.”

Nicky became aware of the accident after receiving a call from Ruby’s rider.

Speaking about Ruby’s injuries, she said: “The horse had been severed in half. I’ve never seen so much blood. The paramedics had covered the horse with a blanket. Other motorists had also put their jumpers on top of her to try to stop the bleeding. They were absolutely brilliant. “

But Ruby was bleeding to death. A vet was called out and gave her an injection to put her to sleep.”

A spokesman for Staffordshire Police said their inquiries on the incident were continuing. Wenslie Naylon, chairman of Newcastle Borough Council's equestrian forum, is backing others that are trying to raise public awareness of the risks that riders and their horses face on the roads.

“This tragic accident is absolutely heartbreaking,” she said.

“It is so important for drivers to give horses a wide berth go past slowly.

“A horse has got a mind of its own and can get spooked. Horse riders should also wear hi-visibility vests.”

Horse riders are calling for more off-road riding routes and bridleways across the borough so that they can avoid using the roads.

“We are also campaigning for quiet off-road areas to be linked up,” Wenslie said.

According to estimations by a Newcastle equestrian strategy, there are more than 2,500 adults and 5,000 young people that ride in the borough regularly
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http://www.horsetraderonline.co.uk/...ign-for-safer-roads-after-death-of-horse.html
 
I'm so glad Bertie has begun circulating facebook :D

I'll try and find the contact details of his creator and see if they don't mind using his image.
 
How does this sound?

"Hello!
There is a bit of a story behind this post. The equestrian magazing Horse and Hound recently made a comparison between riders who use too much hi-viz and Bertie Bassett. There was a massive uproar as many of the readers believe that there is no such thing as too much.
I drew a picture of Bertie riding a horse, as a jokey retaliation to the article. I'm writing to ask permission to use this image (none profit) to help spread awareness of how important it is to use hi-viz when riding. http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j308/gothic180/Bertie3copy.jpg
Thank you for any feedback you give me.
Regards,
Emily Leslie"
 
Nah said:
How does this sound?

"Hello!
There is a bit of a story behind this post. The equestrian magazing Horse and Hound recently made a comparison between riders who use too much hi-viz and Bertie Bassett. There was a massive uproar as many of the readers believe that there is no such thing as too much.
I drew a picture of Bertie riding a horse, as a jokey retaliation to the article. I'm writing to ask permission to use this image (none profit) to help spread awareness of how important it is to use hi-viz when riding. http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j308/gothic180/Bertie3copy.jpg
Thank you for any feedback you give me.
Regards,
Emily Leslie"
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give a link to this thread also so they can see how people are saying thing like "im a bertie bassett and proud" the marketing team might see this as good free advertising.
 
That's great, let's hope they let you use it. Even if you were to put on the pic somewhere 'image of BB used by kind permission of..... ' that should cover it! Well done. Let us know what happens! :) x
 
Ceris Comet said:
PLLEASE copyright it first thing ! I will PM you
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Copyright automatically applies for artistic works... But, Bertie's creator (or the company) hold his copyright... And any trademark or design right...

It would be great to hear that the request to use the Bertie image in the hi viz art work was approved... I don't know if a H&H article would qualify as current event to allow the use with full credit... That's more complicated than I've ever needed to know... :)
 
Ladydragon said:
Copyright automatically applies for artistic works... But, Bertie's creator (or the company) hold his copyright... And any trademark or design right...

It would be great to hear that the request to use the Bertie image in the hi viz art work was approved... I don't know if a H&H article would qualify as current event to allow the use with full credit... That's more complicated than I've ever needed to know... :)
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Plus IPC have the right to use anything posted on here, it wouldn't make a difference to them if Nah sought copyright now or not.
 
rhino said:
Plus IPC have the right to use anything posted on here, it wouldn't make a difference to them if Nah sought copyright now or not.
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Ah...haven't read all the T&C's... Nah already has and would retain copyright but I guess IPC have some 'right to use/share/distribute' type clause then?

ETA: Just found it... Clause 5: Intellectual Property
IPC Media Ltd. reserves the right to re-use any submission to the Forum of Horse & Hound Online in any format or media and in such ways as Horse & Hound sees fit. Users waive their moral rights to object to any derogatory treatment, or to be identified as the author, of the submission in question.

Ho hum... I'd better say nothing... ;)
 
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Ladydragon said:
Ah...haven't read all the T&C's... Nah already has and would retain copyright but I guess IPC have some 'right to use/share/distribute' type clause then?

ETA: Just found it... Clause 5: Intellectual Property
IPC Media Ltd. reserves the right to re-use any submission to the Forum of Horse & Hound Online in any format or media and in such ways as Horse & Hound sees fit. Users waive their moral rights to object to any derogatory treatment, or to be identified as the author, of the submission in question.

Ho hum... I'd better say nothing... ;)
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Yep, that's the sum of it.
 
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