JillA
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And that is probably how he got scared to begin with - I sincerely hope you are joking
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And that is probably how he got scared to begin with - I sincerely hope you are joking
Horse Gifts Central
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yes of course I'm joking I could never bring myself to do that!
Horse Gifts Central
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**PLEASE READ**
I would just like to stress my comment about the plank was honestly just a statement I definitely would never ever do that to him or any horse or animal for that matter.
I would just like to stress my comment about the plank was honestly just a statement I definitely would never ever do that to him or any horse or animal for that matter.
Fun Times
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Its o.k OP, i think its pretty clear this was an off the cuff comment from your farrier (probably in a moment of pressure) and not a course of action you were genuinely considering following!
TPO
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I just can't even with this thread...
However if the horse has suspected canker this is incredibly serious and needs proper veterinary attention. You HAVE to be able to pick up and handle the hooves for treatment. Bute in no way treats canker. A quick Google will make it obvious how serious this condition is and that its caused by neglectful hoofcare associated with draft horses standing in dirty stalls.
Please seek proper veterinary attention for your horse.
I'm sure you'll unleash an expletive riddled reply in my direction but you perfectly highlight the sad fact that horses are too easily got.
You are asking the most basic of questions that anyone should know before taking on the care, let alone ownership, of an animal. You demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge and experience regarding management, care and handling let alone equine behaviour. Plus you lack the available funds to provide immediate care based on what you yourself have written.
Your "I'm determined" spiel means nothing. If you were that dedicated and determined you would have read books, asked questions and put in the required hours of learning BEFORE a buying this (any) horse. You show absolutely no knowledge or even basic understanding of anything related to horses in general let alone your own horses behaviours and ailments.
You need a proper equine vet out to treat this possible canker and assess your horse.
If the vet seems your horse able you need to get some proper experienced help. They will guide you through getting the horse's mouth seen to by a fully qualified EDT and ensuring you use someone properly trained, qualified and registered when you use a "back person". Then you need your tack checked and fitted by an appropriate person.
Meanwhile your trainer should be working with your horse and training you how to safely handle him from the ground, care for him and feed him (if required) so that once he's good to go you are both in a better position. Read as many books as you can about horse care, management and behaviour. Watch how well mannered horses are handled by their owners.
Forget all this "bonding" daydream; you can't love a horse into behaving as you wish. Consistent firm but fair handling will.
Please get veterinary care and professional equine help
However if the horse has suspected canker this is incredibly serious and needs proper veterinary attention. You HAVE to be able to pick up and handle the hooves for treatment. Bute in no way treats canker. A quick Google will make it obvious how serious this condition is and that its caused by neglectful hoofcare associated with draft horses standing in dirty stalls.
Please seek proper veterinary attention for your horse.
I'm sure you'll unleash an expletive riddled reply in my direction but you perfectly highlight the sad fact that horses are too easily got.
You are asking the most basic of questions that anyone should know before taking on the care, let alone ownership, of an animal. You demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge and experience regarding management, care and handling let alone equine behaviour. Plus you lack the available funds to provide immediate care based on what you yourself have written.
Your "I'm determined" spiel means nothing. If you were that dedicated and determined you would have read books, asked questions and put in the required hours of learning BEFORE a buying this (any) horse. You show absolutely no knowledge or even basic understanding of anything related to horses in general let alone your own horses behaviours and ailments.
You need a proper equine vet out to treat this possible canker and assess your horse.
If the vet seems your horse able you need to get some proper experienced help. They will guide you through getting the horse's mouth seen to by a fully qualified EDT and ensuring you use someone properly trained, qualified and registered when you use a "back person". Then you need your tack checked and fitted by an appropriate person.
Meanwhile your trainer should be working with your horse and training you how to safely handle him from the ground, care for him and feed him (if required) so that once he's good to go you are both in a better position. Read as many books as you can about horse care, management and behaviour. Watch how well mannered horses are handled by their owners.
Forget all this "bonding" daydream; you can't love a horse into behaving as you wish. Consistent firm but fair handling will.
Please get veterinary care and professional equine help
Horse Gifts Central
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I've had the vet out to treat his feet I asked if they were abscess-like (as they came up in large spots on his heels) and she said more like thrush/canker and that is what she gave me.
TPO
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Then you desperately need a new vet. That is not how you treat thrush or canker.
If you start a new thread here or in tack room with a general idea of your area then users can suggest equine veterinary practices in that region
Horse Gifts Central
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ok thankyou, it wasn't just bute she gave me, she told me to blue spray twice a day and it has actually dried it up
ester
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Have we confirmed it is definitely thrush not canker?
Have you spoken to the old owner recently? If I had owned a horse that long and it was now having all these issues I would be pretty upset and trying to help the new owner resolve the issue/try and find out what was going on.
Have you spoken to the old owner recently? If I had owned a horse that long and it was now having all these issues I would be pretty upset and trying to help the new owner resolve the issue/try and find out what was going on.
Goldenstar
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Are you really trying to be this ..... Unintelligent , as inexperianced annoys you .
You need to train the horse to do what you want whacking it with a plank is not training.
It's your job and duty to train this horse ,being determined ( firm if you like ) that horse accepts your leadership does not require you to whack it with a plank.
This is a serious business you are responsible for this horse it's already got one medical issue that it's behaviour is making it difficult to treat.
You chose the horse you don't want to return it I think you said in case it gets abused so now get on and do your job because that's your job now to sort this out.
FfionWinnie
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In case anyone misunderstood me, my point in mentioning the alcothane pipe with my cob was that this was the dealers solution to the problem - it did not work, it made her dangerous because she was then bolshy AND scared.
It's not about being tough, its about being able to handle the horse in a consistent no nonsense way which shows him you are in charge. You don't know how to do this because if you did, you wouldn't be posting the things you are doing. So like I already said, you need someone who is experienced with cobs, to help you. And you need them right now.
It's not about being tough, its about being able to handle the horse in a consistent no nonsense way which shows him you are in charge. You don't know how to do this because if you did, you wouldn't be posting the things you are doing. So like I already said, you need someone who is experienced with cobs, to help you. And you need them right now.
TPO
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OP if by any chance you're still reading this thread...
Regardless of what has already happened the reality is that you now own this horse and have to take full responsibility for his welfare.
Now is the time to apply the determination you speak of to learning as much as you possibly can by every means possible. As you are training in animal management at college can you speak to one of your equine lecturers and perhaps they could come to the yard?
If your horse has thrush you have to be able to handle all his feet to clean them out thoroughly at least twice a day. After picking them out you then need to brush them out and apply whatever you are using to treat the thrush.
If your horse lives out and the fields are muddy then he will need some time on dry hard ground to "air" his feet. If he's stabled at all make sure your bed is immaculately clean and dry. Damp bedding, urine and dung all contribute towards thrush. It is then a vicious cycle as thrush "nips" so they actively seek out dung to stand in to "cool" the nip.
A lot of people have success using Red Horse products. The hooves can be scrubbed out with Sole Cleanse and when dry something like Field Paste applied into the frog. If you google Red Horse you will find their website and all their products.
Look for the person on the yard with the best behaved horse that leads, ties up and is easy to work with. It's unlikely that the person is simply lucky and more often the case is that this is an experienced person who has trained their horse. As they can see you and your horse perhaps ask them for some help (if they kindly oblige reward them for their time e.g chocolates, help with chores) and/or to recommend some local trainers. Ask them about farriers, trimmers, vets and therapists to try and guage a feel of who you should contact and use.
It's hard to sort the wheat from the chaff when you have limited knowledge and experience; unfortunately it's often a case of learning the hard way. This is a wide reaching forum so if you gave some indication of your whereabouts and asking for recommendations I'm sure you'd begin to see the same names crop up with regards to vets and farriers.
Join the local Riding Club. It's not expensive to join and they often have talks that you can attend to further your knowledge. Offer to help on foot at their lessons and shows; you'll pick up a lot from just watching and it will increase your circle of contacts in the local horse community. People are more willing to help those that are willing to muck in, are keen and willing to learn in my experience.
A lot of vet practices also hold talks and you don't have to be a client of that practice to attend, just contact them in advance. Look at the websites of local vets and see what's coming up.
Some books that will be of help to you, in my opinion, are the "100 ways" books by Susan McBane. They are available second hand from Amazon for 1p (+ postage). The ones I think that would benefit you the most right now are 100 Ways to Improve your Horse's Behaviour, 100 Ways to Improve your Horse's Health and 100 Ways to Improve your Equine Partnership. The books are well written, easy to understand and have plenty of photographs to illustrate the points made. These will help give you a basic understand of what you should be doing, why it needs doing and how to do it. They are a good start point for your situation.
I wouldn't be riding your horse until you've had a vet check that he's sound and able for ridden work, had someone on the ground help you with his manners and handling and most importantly had his "back" seen to by a physio or similar and had his saddle fit checked and adjusted if required by a qualified saddle fitter.
Regardless of what has already happened the reality is that you now own this horse and have to take full responsibility for his welfare.
Now is the time to apply the determination you speak of to learning as much as you possibly can by every means possible. As you are training in animal management at college can you speak to one of your equine lecturers and perhaps they could come to the yard?
If your horse has thrush you have to be able to handle all his feet to clean them out thoroughly at least twice a day. After picking them out you then need to brush them out and apply whatever you are using to treat the thrush.
If your horse lives out and the fields are muddy then he will need some time on dry hard ground to "air" his feet. If he's stabled at all make sure your bed is immaculately clean and dry. Damp bedding, urine and dung all contribute towards thrush. It is then a vicious cycle as thrush "nips" so they actively seek out dung to stand in to "cool" the nip.
A lot of people have success using Red Horse products. The hooves can be scrubbed out with Sole Cleanse and when dry something like Field Paste applied into the frog. If you google Red Horse you will find their website and all their products.
Look for the person on the yard with the best behaved horse that leads, ties up and is easy to work with. It's unlikely that the person is simply lucky and more often the case is that this is an experienced person who has trained their horse. As they can see you and your horse perhaps ask them for some help (if they kindly oblige reward them for their time e.g chocolates, help with chores) and/or to recommend some local trainers. Ask them about farriers, trimmers, vets and therapists to try and guage a feel of who you should contact and use.
It's hard to sort the wheat from the chaff when you have limited knowledge and experience; unfortunately it's often a case of learning the hard way. This is a wide reaching forum so if you gave some indication of your whereabouts and asking for recommendations I'm sure you'd begin to see the same names crop up with regards to vets and farriers.
Join the local Riding Club. It's not expensive to join and they often have talks that you can attend to further your knowledge. Offer to help on foot at their lessons and shows; you'll pick up a lot from just watching and it will increase your circle of contacts in the local horse community. People are more willing to help those that are willing to muck in, are keen and willing to learn in my experience.
A lot of vet practices also hold talks and you don't have to be a client of that practice to attend, just contact them in advance. Look at the websites of local vets and see what's coming up.
Some books that will be of help to you, in my opinion, are the "100 ways" books by Susan McBane. They are available second hand from Amazon for 1p (+ postage). The ones I think that would benefit you the most right now are 100 Ways to Improve your Horse's Behaviour, 100 Ways to Improve your Horse's Health and 100 Ways to Improve your Equine Partnership. The books are well written, easy to understand and have plenty of photographs to illustrate the points made. These will help give you a basic understand of what you should be doing, why it needs doing and how to do it. They are a good start point for your situation.
I wouldn't be riding your horse until you've had a vet check that he's sound and able for ridden work, had someone on the ground help you with his manners and handling and most importantly had his "back" seen to by a physio or similar and had his saddle fit checked and adjusted if required by a qualified saddle fitter.
Horse Gifts Central
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TPO - thank you so much for your help! I will look at the red horse products now as I was thinking I need something to keep his feet dry whilst he's on 24/7 turnout! Was thinking boots but then if they rub it will just make matters worse and that's not something he needs. Can you apply the field paste to the heel? as that's where the current injection is. Will look into the books as they sounds very helpful! Nope I'm definitely not going to ride him until we have everything from saddle, to back, to vet checks and sorted out some ground manners and respect 
TPO
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Yes you can apply field paste to heel bulbs of clean, dry hooves.
If he's living out the bring him in to stand somewhere dry and clean while you groo
and handle him.
We all had to start somewhere. The majority on this forum are lovely and helpful.
My friend bought her horse after 6 riding lessons and thought buying a horse was like buying a car so went to view in her best clothes. She knuckled down and learnt all that she could and is a fantastic owner. She didn't know any better at the time and didn't have anyone to guide or help her. So although not the ideal it's worked out.
It won't be easy, will be frustrating but ultimately hugely rewarding. Keep asking questions and keep thinking. Common sense isn't that common but it really helps!
If he's living out the bring him in to stand somewhere dry and clean while you groo
and handle him.
We all had to start somewhere. The majority on this forum are lovely and helpful.
My friend bought her horse after 6 riding lessons and thought buying a horse was like buying a car so went to view in her best clothes. She knuckled down and learnt all that she could and is a fantastic owner. She didn't know any better at the time and didn't have anyone to guide or help her. So although not the ideal it's worked out.
It won't be easy, will be frustrating but ultimately hugely rewarding. Keep asking questions and keep thinking. Common sense isn't that common but it really helps!