Should we see a difference yet?

I'm disappointed with the OP to be fair, when I looked at the pics I didn't think for a minute they would be outside (I didn't click for individual comments) . . . that just seems like the most bizarre and odd thing to do.
 
Dobiegirl said:
I really think S4Sugar has been vindicated and her instincts were good, Im horrified at the people who have viewed the pictures and commented on what lovely pups and totally missed how they were being raised and in what conditions. Thank god there are enough people on this forum who can see the truth and I share their worries for these puppies.
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Well I commented that they were lovely but didn't pass comment on the conditions.
Why?
Because as usual the AAD bitches already had their teeth stuck into the OP and I felt sorry for her.

There are ways and means of getting your point across, people being self righteous and condescending isn't the best way imo.

Not everybody knows everything but in AAD, it seems to be a massive no no for anybody to admit what they don't know.

I was quite appalled at Viz's (and others) manner and I'm certainly not surprised that the OP has not returned since her cutting posts.

So, had you all played a little bit nicer, you could have imparted your knowledge to the OP safe in the knowledge she was listening and acting on your advice.

Some of the users on this thread need to think on!
 
Not seen fb comments but cedars I know how carefully you researched before you got bracken, can you honestly say you were not concerned by those pics of amber in the crate? I tried to offer op some guidance repuppy rearing but if I'm considered an AAD bitch for my comments then so be it, I would rather that than pretend everything is great.
 
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I wasn't referring to you :rolleyes:
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Ah okay, but I have to stand up and be counted with the others who made stronger comments,
Cedars, I am sorry I thought you were referring to something dobiegirl had said on the fb photos, but I having now looked again at the link I presume you mean the comments between OP and her friend that it would be fine to have a pup and be out all day long! :eek:
 
I stand by my original remarks based upon the information that was available at that point. If that means I'm next for a slating, so be it.
 
quirky said:
I was quite appalled at Viz's (and others) manner and I'm certainly not surprised that the OP has not returned since her cutting posts.
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I apologise, the post made me very angry. I did return and back track my original comments and try to give geniune constructive advice, I think thats quite evident in my posts.
When I and others are sat with litters of pups at home...when people who have done everything by the book loose pups etc, emotions run very very high. The work, time, effort, money, sleepless nights that have gone into my litter is astounding, others on here its the same for. To see such irresponsibilty by someone with their litter makes my blood boil.
I dont mind if someone wants to be appalled at my comments, the issue here is the bitch and pups are being kept in an appalling mannar and actually you are correct, whilst I was so cross I maybe shouldnt have posted until I felt able to be constructive. I still stand by all that I said though and I'm not sure sugar coated or not the OP wants to hear the advice.
I can only hope the OP's absence last night was due to her being busy constructing a better environment for dog and pups.
 
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Spudlet said:
I stand by my original remarks based upon the information that was available at that point. If that means I'm next for a slating, so be it.
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Spud, you will notice I never commented on the original thread, because it went OTT based on the info provided, which I now believe was a pack of lies. Nobody deserves being slated for believing the OP's original claims....I was dubious I admit but there was no point debating it based on the info given.
 
:( well i have to hold my hands up and admit that after a quick look at the pics it didnt even cross my mind that they were outside OR shut in the cage all the time, I didnt see any comments about not having homes for them either. Really hope the OP has sorted more appropriate conditions.
 
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Glad to see that the puppies have arrived safely - they are beautiful.

OP, I too am rather disappointed (and a bit horrified if I'm honest) that you think this is an acceptable way to keep a dog - let alone puppies.

I think that we'll all look forward to your update very shortly that the bitch and puppies have been moved inside in to more appropriate conditions.

I also have to say that if I were your neighbour, and saw your bitch and pup's being kept like this I'd be making a swift call to the relevant welfare authorities.

Really disappointed...........
 
Well yes Sugar, I agree it is a sorry sight :(.

I was kind of hoping the box/crate would be within an outbuilding but it doesn't look to be the case.

I still maintain there are better ways of educating people than belittling them.

I hope the OP has taken on board the concerns raised.
 
The conditions are appalling-I only looked at one or two photos of the pups before I posted saying how cute they were, hadn't got to the bigger picture (haha) yet.

OP, you need to move your puppies into a more sensible environment before one of them gets killed by your negligence. It's as a simple as that-no bitching, no snide comments, just that simple fact. People on here will happily help, and have helped, with loads of advice. X
 
I've added you as a friend OP-look through my photo albums, you'll find photos of my black lab as a puppy-look at those when they were still with mum-her bedding/layout is spot on, should give you something to follow. X
 
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Does anyone know the address of the person keeping this bitch and puppies? I would certainly be reporting them if I did.
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Reading OPs other posts and FB link, she is living in accomodation provided by Wellington School in Taunton, and FB clearly gives her name... she's still about on other parts of the forum too, judging by recent posts, but has obviosuly decided not to face up to this thread.

This is a great shame, and I can only hope she has taken heed of the very good advise thats been given.

The latest pic is truly awful and totally unsuitable conditions - i'm actually quite upset by this.
 
That picture was posted on 1st April Millimoo, it was up there when people were posting "cute" and didn't appear to be bothered about the conditions. It upset me too, and a few others who posted rather strongly on here and were criticised.:(
As you say, we can only hope that the OP has taken the advice given and has improved things for her bitch and pups.
 
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As you say, we can only hope that the OP has taken the advice given and has improved things for her bitch and pups.
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I'm sure she has by now - notwithstanding the less than ideal conditions the dog is being kept in, I can only imagine the dim view the school would take of an animal(s) being kept this way on its property.

One phone call and all that...................:rolleyes:
 
I haven't said anything up til now as it's quite an emotional subject for me; a few years ago we bred from our samoyed bitch.

She was three years old, and this was to be her one and only litter. We researched the lines, and found the perfect stud dog (obviously both her and the dogs had had hips and eyes done). They did the business, and home we came.

Vet checks, shopping and worry started - we had a perfect place for her to whelp, a lovely new and hygenic whelping box, pippettes, feed for any newborns that needed it, towels, vet bed, thermometer, everything and more!!

The night she went into labour, I was by myself, but had the vet on standby,as well as a friend who was a vet nurse.

To cut a long and distressing story short, our gorgeous bitch had a heart attack, and died. I did mouth to mouth whilst the vet got to us, but it was too late. The vet opened her up, to try and save the pups, but it was just too late. She'd developed hydrops, and thats what caused her death.

OP, I was on your side at the beginning, but seeing those photo's, you should count yourself very lucky that they are all still alive (at least, I hope they are). Your setup is completely unsuitable for a mum and newborns, IMHO; cold, damp and cramped, with multiple places for pups to get squashed, suffocated or just too cold.

You are lucky to have your pups, please look after them properly - they deserve the best chance of life.
 
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I haven't said anything up til now as it's quite an emotional subject for me; a few years ago we bred from our samoyed bitch.

She was three years old, and this was to be her one and only litter. We researched the lines, and found the perfect stud dog (obviously both her and the dogs had had hips and eyes done). They did the business, and home we came.

Vet checks, shopping and worry started - we had a perfect place for her to whelp, a lovely new and hygenic whelping box, pippettes, feed for any newborns that needed it, towels, vet bed, thermometer, everything and more!!

The night she went into labour, I was by myself, but had the vet on standby,as well as a friend who was a vet nurse.

To cut a long and distressing story short, our gorgeous bitch had a heart attack, and died. I did mouth to mouth whilst the vet got to us, but it was too late. The vet opened her up, to try and save the pups, but it was just too late. She'd developed hydrops, and thats what caused her death.

OP, I was on your side at the beginning, but seeing those photo's, you should count yourself very lucky that they are all still alive (at least, I hope they are). Your setup is completely unsuitable for a mum and newborns, IMHO; cold, damp and cramped, with multiple places for pups to get squashed, suffocated or just too cold.

You are lucky to have your pups, please look after them properly - they deserve the best chance of life.
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What a heartbeaking story misterjay :( So sorry it must have been extremely distressing, I can only imagine. Big hugs x
Thank you for sharing though, this type of incidence is very relative to this post. There are many of us on here who do everything by the book and sadly sometimes still suffer losses, its very emotive to see posts like this where little or no care is taken in breeding practice from start to finish, proudly showing puppies off that are not adequately cared for. You and other members here I know would give anything to have been able to raise your pups and care for the bitch to the highest possible standard and didnt get the chance :( Posts like this are a real kick in the teeth to those people.
 
How tragic that somone can be such a fool and yet it is the dog and pups that suffer.

OP should be ashamed of herself.

My sympathies to the poster above who did everything they could and yet lost their dog and pups (sorry, having pressed reply, I can't check your name). :(
 
misterjay, what a tragic story, I am so sorry. It is when this happens to people who have done their very best for their animals that I get angry when I see pictures like those the OP has shown.:(
 
very disappointed eriskayowner is currently browsing around the rest of the forum and not posting new pics of amber and her pups in better living quarters :(
 
Misterjay what a desperately sad thing to happen, life is so cruel sometimes.

Today I was lucky enough to see Vizzys Floras pups who are wanting for nothing and are wonderful thriving little dogs. Thats what makes the ops case so sad those little pups outside with their mum on a freezing night, I must live 20miles from her and its so cold Ive lit my woodburner in the lounge and my dogs are basking in the heat.

I too wish the op would come back on and tell us she has moved them into some kind of shelter with heat.
 
Thanks so much for all your kind words - it was nearly four years ago, but we still get upset (I can't listen to Dido's White Flag - just too painful as her tail was her white flag!).

I wish the OP would come back and tell us that she's moved the mum and pups inside and into a safer environment. Obviously avoiding the issue will make it go away!!

Good luck, OP's pups - have good, happy lives.
 
Eriskayowner. I very rarely comment about anything, so hopefully can't be labelled as bitchy or anything else.
Your ignorance/cruelty astound me. To leave newborn pups out in all elements, with only their very trapped dam and a rug thrown over their cage is inexcusable. You are, to my mind, the very worst of the BYB. Hope you make your money - but what goes around tends to come around.
 
I'm appalled at the size of the crate/bed. :( A decent whelping box can't be much to make with pig rails. How sad that a gorgeous dog is shoved outside to whelp. Most breeders I've spoken to have a room set aside for the whelping, stay up all night for the first week or two to ensure the safety of the pups.. :(
 
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My son made Evies whelping box for me, cost around £20. I don't know about the first week ro two, the pups are 4 weeks old now and my body clock still has me waking up every couple of hours to check the cctv (I have a monitor by the bed), would be quite nice to sleep through now.:p
 
my friend made my whelping box at work...with their spare materials...it was freee!!!
tis a goodun too! :D Mind you an open whelping box wouldnt be much more cop than a crate on tyres outside :(
 
I find the whole situation desperately sad for that dog and her pups

I wouldn't be surprised if an authority hasn't been round to visit. I would put money on the fact someone will have reported them.

I just can't understand the logic of someone turfing their beloves bitch out the house to have her pups and shoving her in a crate? Just can't comprehend it....
 
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