mytwofriends
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I agree horse scared kicked out and owner was unfortunately was kicked.
This ^^^ and nothing more sinister than that I think.
I agree horse scared kicked out and owner was unfortunately was kicked.
Agree with others, if a horse is actually attacking then it will go with the front end. If you saw Buck, The Real Horse Whisperer... the orphan horse on there was NASTY!! They agreed to have it PTS at the end. Here is the clip of it attacking the guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7FMuIwI8vU
This situation was quite different. Horses will choose flight over fight unless flight has been consistently blocked. The horse in the Buck video had a long history of poor handling both on a line and in a round pen, where flight had consistently been punished. In these situations, the only option left is attack, which is what happened in this case. The horse was no more nasty than any other horse, just had a long history of fear caused by poor handling.
The horse in the showjumping clip clearly had a fairly poor view of riders, but once the rider was off, there were plenty of escape routes, so the horse made sure the predator was disabled before choosing flight...
The young stallion in the Buck documentary was bottle fed and had been born a dummy foal. It didn't react the way it did due to fear, it was just brain damaged and the owner did not have the knowledge or resources to deal with it (well she had the resources but chose to keep it alive).The horse in the Buck video had a long history of poor handling both on a line and in a round pen, where flight had consistently been punished. In these situations, the only option left is attack, which is what happened in this case. The horse was no more nasty than any other horse, just had a long history of fear caused by poor handling.
And as is typical of horses running away from something scary, it chose the route it knew, the one it had already come... but once the rider was off, there were plenty of escape routes, so the horse made sure the predator was disabled before choosing flight...
I agree with this as far as I can tell from both clips. Imho both involve fear, frustration and the horse at the end of its tolerance.This situation was quite different. Horses will choose flight over fight unless flight has been consistently blocked. The horse in the Buck video had a long history of poor handling both on a line and in a round pen, where flight had consistently been punished. In these situations, the only option left is attack, which is what happened in this case. The horse was no more nasty than any other horse, just had a long history of fear caused by poor handling.
The horse in the showjumping clip clearly had a fairly poor view of riders, but once the rider was off, there were plenty of escape routes, so the horse made sure the predator was disabled before choosing flight...
Agree with others, if a horse is actually attacking then it will go with the front end. If you saw Buck, The Real Horse Whisperer... the orphan horse on there was NASTY!! They agreed to have it PTS at the end. Here is the clip of it attacking the guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7FMuIwI8vU
Just to add I cant actually agree with the history bit as I don't know it. Imo the Palamino is nervous/fearful about the sheet and becomes increasingly annoyed with the bloke waving the big sheet at and on him as his signals of worry and increasing annoyance are ignored. Whatever the history that bloke wasn't reading the warning signals.I agree with this as far as I can tell from both clips. Imho both involve fear, frustration and the horse at the end of its tolerance.
Just to add I cant actually agree with the history bit as I don't know it. Imo the Palamino is nervous/fearful about the sheet and becomes increasingly annoyed with the bloke waving the big sheet at and on him as his signals of worry and increasing annoyance are ignored. Whatever the history that bloke wasn't reading the warning signals.
I see him trying to avoid (by moving away quickly) the sheet as fear/worry. It appears he is less frightened of, or is unaware of acceptable boundaries with humans in general due to his upbringing but tbh, any horse frustrated/annoyed to a large extent and pushed hard and randomly will eventually attack, especially if it is held on a line so can't escape.to me the pally doesn't appear worried at all-he looks increasingly frustrated at being ignored but he's not showing any of the normal 'scared' signs, however, that could be due to his upbringing and not knowing the right way to respond I guess.
That horse in that program was spoilt... there was no fear, it was all about lack of discipline. Definitely not caused by fear.
I just linked it to give an example of what a horse looks like when it actually ATTACKS.
but tbh, any horse frustrated/annoyed to a large extent and pushed hard and randomly will eventually attack, especially if it is held on a line so can't escape.
maybe. to me any horse on a line can escape if it wants to and the vast majority IME would try to turn its bum round-relatively few horses attack with front legs. It may well be an expression of fear but he didn't give up alot of space IMO even when being approached.
The horse doesn't turn on him. It's just kicking out at whatever is behind it. Not exactly odd behaviour for a horse tbh.
Looked to me the same behaviour you'd see if a zebra managed to shake off the lion that had jumped on its back. Get the predator on the ground, and then make sure it can't come after you again.
Heres a video of horse that really does mean it. It attacks in retaliation to people throwing rocks at it, although whether it'd already attacked someone and that was why they were throwing at it I have no idea.
It's not a nice video but I think it demonstrates just how tolerant and kind horses in general are towards humans and the things we ask them to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW-5ISZFWM8
Wouldn't have that one in my yard!
I saw it more as a continuation of the nappy/naughty behaviour that started several strides before the jump. The horse didn't refuse the jump, so much as nap at it. Then it made sure the rider fell off by whipping round.
It was a reasonable size jump so obviously not a novice horse. Who knows what had happened before then, but as I say, its better to have one that helps you out than one like that...
This is exactly what I think. One wonders if it has been "dealt with" on a previous occassion for similar behaviour and having got the rider off is getting its own back.
This horse had rabies.