WelshRareBit
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Hoo_ya I love your pinky grumpy pony!!
Sitting here quite sad actually.
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fizz-tally
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you wouldn't say that when shes been out without a rug
Sooty
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Whoa guys, all breathe.....!
Of course I went and read the thead concerned and surmise there are probaly more threads referring to this horse and rider that many of us haven't read telling of their problems.
It's sometimes incredibly difficult to be honest and not offend people on this forum.
Last week a post I saw that so horrified me I pm'd the person concerned and suggested she show my pm to her parents.
I truly felt a young person was being put in a dangerous position and like many of the experienced people on here, could see a tragedy in the making.
I decided to pm so as not to offend the people concerned, and they have up to now ignored me completely which is of course their right. But with any luck I will have made them aware that what was happening was asking for an accident, so if they think twice,good.
Like Tia I would far rather save someone from being hurt than risk not saying anything. I feel when there are digs at "experience" there is something that should be born in mind. The reason so many of us understand what works and what's dangerous is because in the past we have made those mistakes ourselves!It's not arrogance but fact.
I looked at the pic of the grey pony and the rider is very uptight, which sadly is exactly the opposite of what you should be when starting young horses.
For her own safety it's better to say so than ignore it, and remember if you post a pic on here it is up for general comment, not just a pic that gets admiring comments. If you don't like that, well don't post!
There are lots of ways of achieving things and no one way is right, but some work better than others, and it's a wise person who listens to advice then makes their own mind up.
I hope no-one leaves here over this, we all have something useful to contribute and I reckon to learn something new at least once a day on here..
Now come on, let's accept we don't all agree and move on shall we?
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Maybe if you got no acknowledgement of your PM (very rude), you should post your comments on the forum. The trouble is some people are convinced they know it all, and are unwilling to take advice.
Whoa guys, all breathe.....!
Of course I went and read the thead concerned and surmise there are probaly more threads referring to this horse and rider that many of us haven't read telling of their problems.
It's sometimes incredibly difficult to be honest and not offend people on this forum.
Last week a post I saw that so horrified me I pm'd the person concerned and suggested she show my pm to her parents.
I truly felt a young person was being put in a dangerous position and like many of the experienced people on here, could see a tragedy in the making.
I decided to pm so as not to offend the people concerned, and they have up to now ignored me completely which is of course their right. But with any luck I will have made them aware that what was happening was asking for an accident, so if they think twice,good.
Like Tia I would far rather save someone from being hurt than risk not saying anything. I feel when there are digs at "experience" there is something that should be born in mind. The reason so many of us understand what works and what's dangerous is because in the past we have made those mistakes ourselves!It's not arrogance but fact.
I looked at the pic of the grey pony and the rider is very uptight, which sadly is exactly the opposite of what you should be when starting young horses.
For her own safety it's better to say so than ignore it, and remember if you post a pic on here it is up for general comment, not just a pic that gets admiring comments. If you don't like that, well don't post!
There are lots of ways of achieving things and no one way is right, but some work better than others, and it's a wise person who listens to advice then makes their own mind up.
I hope no-one leaves here over this, we all have something useful to contribute and I reckon to learn something new at least once a day on here..
Now come on, let's accept we don't all agree and move on shall we?
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Maybe if you got no acknowledgement of your PM (very rude), you should post your comments on the forum. The trouble is some people are convinced they know it all, and are unwilling to take advice.
Christmas_Kate
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I never accused FF of being a bully. Where did I say FF was a bully?
Wether I decide to leave HHO altogether, never to return, is my decision, and I think that I have every right in stating how upset i am at being personally insulted. If I am so upset, that i feel I should leave HHO then i have a right to say that. Do you not think??
Fact is, this is just a forum, most of you are strangers to me. Things do get taken far too seriously, and people treat this place like some sort of social life. I think there comes a time when we all need to step away and get back to reality. And that doesnt just mean me lol.
Wether I decide to leave HHO altogether, never to return, is my decision, and I think that I have every right in stating how upset i am at being personally insulted. If I am so upset, that i feel I should leave HHO then i have a right to say that. Do you not think??
Fact is, this is just a forum, most of you are strangers to me. Things do get taken far too seriously, and people treat this place like some sort of social life. I think there comes a time when we all need to step away and get back to reality. And that doesnt just mean me lol.
LauraBR
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Personally insulted?
There were some blunt comments made from all parties but having re-read the threads all I can see is some general remarks made which you have elected to take personally?
The only remark I can see directed at you was one regarding you banding the work bully about a bit too hastily.
Katy I honestly think you should re-read the thread, it might help see that this has been blown WAY out of proportion.
Katy I honestly think you should re-read the thread, it might help see that this has been blown WAY out of proportion.
Christmas_Kate
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Personally insulted?
There were some blunt comments made from all parties but having re-read the threads all I can see is some general remarks made which you have elected to take personally?
The only remark I can see directed at you was one regarding you banding the work bully about a bit too hastily.
Katy I honestly think you should re-read the thread, it might help see that this has been blown WAY out of proportion.
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and my point is that again it's being made to be like just one person is to blame. When in reality there's a number of people.
Personally insulted?
Katy I honestly think you should re-read the thread, it might help see that this has been blown WAY out of proportion.
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and my point is that again it's being made to be like just one person is to blame. When in reality there's a number of people.
Weezy
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Thankyou Weezy. Maybe now everyone will see what i meant. Let's leave it at that and let people make up their own minds about who does the real behind the scenes stirring on here.
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Just finished riding and come back to see this, am not going to get into a debate as I have to go work at the school for an hour in 10 mins, but the above is verging on defamatory Katy, and I do think you need to step back now before you get yourself banned again. I would honestly prefer you to write on open forum what you think of me rather than these thinly veiled comments. I am a big girl, I can take it on the chin, but I will state again, these words "stirring" and "bullying" should not be written lightly, and I am content in the fact that I have done neither.
Thankyou Weezy. Maybe now everyone will see what i meant. Let's leave it at that and let people make up their own minds about who does the real behind the scenes stirring on here.
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Just finished riding and come back to see this, am not going to get into a debate as I have to go work at the school for an hour in 10 mins, but the above is verging on defamatory Katy, and I do think you need to step back now before you get yourself banned again. I would honestly prefer you to write on open forum what you think of me rather than these thinly veiled comments. I am a big girl, I can take it on the chin, but I will state again, these words "stirring" and "bullying" should not be written lightly, and I am content in the fact that I have done neither.
LauraBR
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and my point is that again it's being made to be like just one person is to blame. When in reality there's a number of people.
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to blame for what?
and my point is that again it's being made to be like just one person is to blame. When in reality there's a number of people.
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xspiralx
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Oh please, you decided to take comments about being a muppet personally?
And yet you're saying things like:
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The people I have called bullies (and I have not named names as I do not feel it would be of benefit to anyone), have been called so because of their behaviour in this forum. Everyone has a right to an opinion but these three feel that they are the best at everything and somehow 'run the show'. Anyone who doesnt fit in with their ideas is snubbed or picked on. And anyone who hasnt seen that going on is either blind or has a life and doesnt spend enough time on here
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I actually think that is way out of line to accuse somebody of. You obviously hold something against these people, and that is your opinion, not fact - so don't state it as such.
I still have no idea who these 3 are except that its pretty apparent you have something against Weezy. Mind you, I can't believe anyone would insinuate she is a bully - she is one of the most kindhearted and friendliest members on this forum IMO, and has bent over backwards in order to help me, and others out many times in the past.
And yet you're saying things like:
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The people I have called bullies (and I have not named names as I do not feel it would be of benefit to anyone), have been called so because of their behaviour in this forum. Everyone has a right to an opinion but these three feel that they are the best at everything and somehow 'run the show'. Anyone who doesnt fit in with their ideas is snubbed or picked on. And anyone who hasnt seen that going on is either blind or has a life and doesnt spend enough time on here
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I actually think that is way out of line to accuse somebody of. You obviously hold something against these people, and that is your opinion, not fact - so don't state it as such.
I still have no idea who these 3 are except that its pretty apparent you have something against Weezy. Mind you, I can't believe anyone would insinuate she is a bully - she is one of the most kindhearted and friendliest members on this forum IMO, and has bent over backwards in order to help me, and others out many times in the past.
Christmas_Kate
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The simple fact is weezy, that i have not actually insulted anyone. Trying to make a point about things and getting my head bitten off left right and centre. It's never been that i don't like the forum, I do, It's the way in which certain people behave. And when I have made a statement which others agree with and get jumped on for saying it, where's the fairness in that? where's the freedom of sppech? i just feel that you were implying that i should pull the line or get lost.
I was suspended for swearing on a forum, using bad language. And it wasnt just me who was suspended.
i actual fact weezy, i have not had a problem with you. I think we disagreed once on something, but I don't come acrioss you much on the forum and don't know much about you, therefore I have no reason to have a problem with you.
What i DO have a problem with is being jumped on for having a voice. When i make a point, and the same few people jump on me every time, it kind of looks suss.
Being called a muppet is defamatory and childish. So if we want to go down that route it could be quite interesting.
But you know what, this is a forum, it is the internet, not RL. Time for us all to step away and look at the bigger picture.
as someone else said, this is about a 15 year old girl, who was having a slight prob. Problem gone? Hope so.
I was suspended for swearing on a forum, using bad language. And it wasnt just me who was suspended.
i actual fact weezy, i have not had a problem with you. I think we disagreed once on something, but I don't come acrioss you much on the forum and don't know much about you, therefore I have no reason to have a problem with you.
What i DO have a problem with is being jumped on for having a voice. When i make a point, and the same few people jump on me every time, it kind of looks suss.
Being called a muppet is defamatory and childish. So if we want to go down that route it could be quite interesting.
But you know what, this is a forum, it is the internet, not RL. Time for us all to step away and look at the bigger picture.
as someone else said, this is about a 15 year old girl, who was having a slight prob. Problem gone? Hope so.
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that i have not actually insulted anyone.
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Just because you didn't name people, you have still insulted and levelled very serious accusations at people.
and sorry, but if you don't "know much about Weezy" then why are you making comments about how "you would have expected no less" of her and "lets see who does the real behind the scenes stirring."??
that i have not actually insulted anyone.
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Just because you didn't name people, you have still insulted and levelled very serious accusations at people.
and sorry, but if you don't "know much about Weezy" then why are you making comments about how "you would have expected no less" of her and "lets see who does the real behind the scenes stirring."??
fizz-tally
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guys guys guys, can we stop now?
Fiona_C
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Ladies, ladies, please, is there any need for this to go on a personal approach .. again?
Just remember that there are newbies out there and people who so far haven't joined, reading a thread like this is giving entirely the wrong impression of HHO!!
Now come on, agree to disagree and leave it at that. With any hope admin will delete this post asap.
Just remember that there are newbies out there and people who so far haven't joined, reading a thread like this is giving entirely the wrong impression of HHO!!
Now come on, agree to disagree and leave it at that. With any hope admin will delete this post asap.
Christmas_Kate
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Just because Tia didnt name anyone, does that mean we don't know who she meant??
Weezy says what she thinks. i expected no less, Doesnt mean i didnt find it upsetting.
I wasnt saying Weezy stirs, all i was saying was watch and see who does stir.
In fact spiral, I do not se what relevance you have to this, you have a long term problem with me and I find you annoying to say the least. Wherever one posts the other is not far behind. I'm sure you are intelligent enough to understand that.
maybe we should drop this now??
Weezy says what she thinks. i expected no less, Doesnt mean i didnt find it upsetting.
I wasnt saying Weezy stirs, all i was saying was watch and see who does stir.
In fact spiral, I do not se what relevance you have to this, you have a long term problem with me and I find you annoying to say the least. Wherever one posts the other is not far behind. I'm sure you are intelligent enough to understand that.
maybe we should drop this now??
Christmas_Kate
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I agree that i disagree with others and am sensitive need to step away from the pc, and am going to do the housework. Bye!!
Tempi
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*rolls eyes*
OMG, is this STILL going on..........
OMG, is this STILL going on..........
Christmas_Kate
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*rolls eyes*
OMG, is this STILL going on..........
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*ducks and runs*
*rolls eyes*
OMG, is this STILL going on..........
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GinaB
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My thoughts exactly PG!
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xspiralx
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I actually have no problem in the slightest with you, but if you don't like me, you can always just ignore me.
claire1976
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GIVE IT UP_ ALL OF YOU!!!!!!
LauraBR
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Claire, no one has posted on this thread for 3 hours?
You've just bumped it back up again...
Gentle_Warrior
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am VERY confused but have never had a problem with anyone on here, it is a forum and asking advice should not have conditions should it ?? Surely you listen to the advice and then decide what to do. I hate the word bully - is such a horrid word.
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Puppy
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Being called a muppet is defamatory and childish. So if we want to go down that route it could be quite interesting.
But you know what, this is a forum, it is the internet, not RL.
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Being called a muppet is NOT defamatory
Good lord, no!!
Neither is childish.
I am fairly certain that calling someone a bully, however, would be
In RL when it comes to defamation then the internet is very real!!
Being called a muppet is defamatory and childish. So if we want to go down that route it could be quite interesting.
But you know what, this is a forum, it is the internet, not RL.
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Being called a muppet is NOT defamatory
I am fairly certain that calling someone a bully, however, would be
In RL when it comes to defamation then the internet is very real!!
Tia
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Okay. I wasn't going to reply to this post again, however as it is up near the top of Page 1 again, then I will say my final comments and clarify a few points that you, Katy, seem to have misunderstood what was quite CLEARLY said by me, and to add insult to injury, you completely twisted my words; for what? To indulge in some self-pity?
If you re-read what I CLEARLY wrote, instead of just thinking you know what I posted, it may well clear this up once and for all.
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The simple fact is weezy, that i have not actually insulted anyone.
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I'm sorry Katy but you have insulted a number of people on here. You said that bullying had gone on. You did not name the "bullies" (and as I have said a hundred times, I actually am not interested in whom you think has bullied) however by using this very strong and emotive word, you ended up indirectly accusing everyone who had ever posted on the many threads. Did you honestly not expect them to stand up and defend themselves? I was not surprised in the slightest that they all responded to your accusations.
Had I been one whom you had accused then I can assure you that I certainly wouldn't have taken it quietly that's for sure! And I very much doubt many other members on here would have either.....much as they might like to claim they wouldn't....of course they would!
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where's the freedom of sppech?
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Oh I am totally with you on that one. I wondered this many many times on this and the other post highlighted at the beginning of this one. I believe I allowed you your freedom of speech no matter that I disagreed with you. Whereas you appeared to be very reluctant to allow me and some others to have their freedom of speech. You became defensive and chose to manipulate my words and use threats of contacting Admin. I said that I was unhappy that because of your accusations, a knowledgeable poster was leaving. Selfish perhaps, but I don't want HHO to turn into purely one of those kiddy-fluffy-pony-forums. As I said previously I don't think there is anything wrong with this type of communication - I just am not interested in it. HHO is soooooo much greater in wealth of knowledge and experience than all those other forums put together. Therefore I don't want one of the knowledgeable types to leave.
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Being called a muppet is defamatory and childish. So if we want to go down that route it could be quite interesting.
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Yet again you have tediously chosen to make threats to try to turn this all around to feeling sorry for poor Katy because you believe that you were called a muppet by me. YOU must be the only person on here who thought that. It was quite clear whom the comment was made to as I picked Caz up on it on Open earlier in the day.
I will reiterate as you clearly did not read what I said in my previous post; I did NOT call you a muppet. I did NOT accuse you of being a pink fluffy pony person. I DID, however, say that you were sailing a bit close to the wind with your blatant (and I felt unfounded) accusations of bullying.
You have accused people of bullying on HHO a number of times during your time here and I just get a bit irked that people believe they can use this word so lightly - bullying is a serious accusation!
However........... since I believe all the threads are still on here; intact and not deleted, then I believe the people who took upset to your sweeping accusations have been vindicated? Admin have certainly not contacted me AND they have not deleted the threads......so I guess no bullying did actually take place?
I did not make a stand on this post because I am a friend of FeuFolet; yes I have conversed with her a handful of times on the forum, but that is all. I have however read a lot of her posts and I felt that she would be a loss to the HHO community if she were to leave..... no alterior motives - just pure and simple, she would be a loss.
Accusations should not be thrown about lightly I'm afraid and that was the salient point of my posts.
Hopefully this will all drop off into the woodwork now and for anyone who says "oh no not again" ..... please save it. I will have my say in responding when I have been misrepresented and accused of saying things to a person which I clearly did not say.
If you re-read what I CLEARLY wrote, instead of just thinking you know what I posted, it may well clear this up once and for all.
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The simple fact is weezy, that i have not actually insulted anyone.
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I'm sorry Katy but you have insulted a number of people on here. You said that bullying had gone on. You did not name the "bullies" (and as I have said a hundred times, I actually am not interested in whom you think has bullied) however by using this very strong and emotive word, you ended up indirectly accusing everyone who had ever posted on the many threads. Did you honestly not expect them to stand up and defend themselves? I was not surprised in the slightest that they all responded to your accusations.
Had I been one whom you had accused then I can assure you that I certainly wouldn't have taken it quietly that's for sure! And I very much doubt many other members on here would have either.....much as they might like to claim they wouldn't....of course they would!
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where's the freedom of sppech?
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Oh I am totally with you on that one. I wondered this many many times on this and the other post highlighted at the beginning of this one. I believe I allowed you your freedom of speech no matter that I disagreed with you. Whereas you appeared to be very reluctant to allow me and some others to have their freedom of speech. You became defensive and chose to manipulate my words and use threats of contacting Admin. I said that I was unhappy that because of your accusations, a knowledgeable poster was leaving. Selfish perhaps, but I don't want HHO to turn into purely one of those kiddy-fluffy-pony-forums. As I said previously I don't think there is anything wrong with this type of communication - I just am not interested in it. HHO is soooooo much greater in wealth of knowledge and experience than all those other forums put together. Therefore I don't want one of the knowledgeable types to leave.
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Being called a muppet is defamatory and childish. So if we want to go down that route it could be quite interesting.
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Yet again you have tediously chosen to make threats to try to turn this all around to feeling sorry for poor Katy because you believe that you were called a muppet by me. YOU must be the only person on here who thought that. It was quite clear whom the comment was made to as I picked Caz up on it on Open earlier in the day.
I will reiterate as you clearly did not read what I said in my previous post; I did NOT call you a muppet. I did NOT accuse you of being a pink fluffy pony person. I DID, however, say that you were sailing a bit close to the wind with your blatant (and I felt unfounded) accusations of bullying.
You have accused people of bullying on HHO a number of times during your time here and I just get a bit irked that people believe they can use this word so lightly - bullying is a serious accusation!
However........... since I believe all the threads are still on here; intact and not deleted, then I believe the people who took upset to your sweeping accusations have been vindicated? Admin have certainly not contacted me AND they have not deleted the threads......so I guess no bullying did actually take place?
I did not make a stand on this post because I am a friend of FeuFolet; yes I have conversed with her a handful of times on the forum, but that is all. I have however read a lot of her posts and I felt that she would be a loss to the HHO community if she were to leave..... no alterior motives - just pure and simple, she would be a loss.
Accusations should not be thrown about lightly I'm afraid and that was the salient point of my posts.
Hopefully this will all drop off into the woodwork now and for anyone who says "oh no not again" ..... please save it. I will have my say in responding when I have been misrepresented and accused of saying things to a person which I clearly did not say.
Christmas_Kate
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I think we've all heard your point Tia, and the point mae by puppy before you.
When people are too AFRAID to post their opinions, because of what may happen to them (after what's happened to me since I first used the word Bully), well, isnt that just a little unfair on them? Feeling backed into a corner, afraid to say what they think, afraid to post pictures etc etc. You have proved my point, when I posted MY opinion I was jumped on by you and others. I never even called YOU a bully, why would i when you're clearly not? But you assumed I was saying that.
Say what you like Tia, you have no idea, absolutely no idea of the huge scale of this.
It's not nice to have words twisted is it Tia?? I didnt feel I was twisting your owrds, when you implied that anyone who used the word bully, with no (apparent) evidence was a 'muppet'.
I was going to pm you today and explain what I was saying and explain the situation further. But it appears you cannot let this drop, and are intent on having the last say.
Whoever wishes to report me to admin for defamation....go ahead, go right head. I stand by my accusation, what i am saying is 100% concrete.
When people are too AFRAID to post their opinions, because of what may happen to them (after what's happened to me since I first used the word Bully), well, isnt that just a little unfair on them? Feeling backed into a corner, afraid to say what they think, afraid to post pictures etc etc. You have proved my point, when I posted MY opinion I was jumped on by you and others. I never even called YOU a bully, why would i when you're clearly not? But you assumed I was saying that.
Say what you like Tia, you have no idea, absolutely no idea of the huge scale of this.
It's not nice to have words twisted is it Tia?? I didnt feel I was twisting your owrds, when you implied that anyone who used the word bully, with no (apparent) evidence was a 'muppet'.
I was going to pm you today and explain what I was saying and explain the situation further. But it appears you cannot let this drop, and are intent on having the last say.
Whoever wishes to report me to admin for defamation....go ahead, go right head. I stand by my accusation, what i am saying is 100% concrete.