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A bit of background for anyone who doesn’t know. This horse was diagnosed with a rare ligament injury off the back of him disuniting when jumping off the left lead every time. At home, away, however tense or relaxed and both sj and xc.

He was successfully rehabbed and has been back jumping a few months. I’ve had a few wobbles as he had lessons where he’d go back to disuniting every time when he was tense/hot and excited. There would be legs everywhere. But he’s not done it since rehab when at home or jumping quietly which is great. He’s very regularly (every 8 weeks at the mo) vet checked.

I’ve also looked back through videos over the last few years and he’s always had a tendency to do it when not quite right to a fence.

So here’s a video of him from camp and I’d like some suggestions and a very honest critique of me!! As instructor mentioned particularly on the flat that I’m sitting slightly left. I remembered this half way round and voila he started landing clean left. It does also coincide with him being more relaxed into my hand. He maybe doesn’t look it in the video but he was being really quite strong.

So any thoughts and suggestions on how I can ride better to help my horse in general, obviously being more aware of how I’m sitting. This is my first time back in two years jumping a course properly of higher than 70 and I’m a very nervous jumper but working f hard to improve.

Anything you’d change on our approach? He looks deceptively relaxed I think but I had rather sore hands afterwards. But I feel if I try and do too much I’ll kill the canter. Equally not sure a stronger bit is the right approachf?

 
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I think you can see that he's strong in the video because it shows in your hands - it looks like you're being towed and reacting by pulling back, i understand why and I think that if you can teach him to bowl along in an active canter but without carting you it will feel easier. Whether that's a schooling (half halt and release) thing or an up-the-bitting thing is probably a question for someone who sees you all the time. if you feel like you'll kill the canter then it's probably a schooling thing IMO ;)

He looks confident though and the difference when you straightened up is very noticeable :) he looks really well.
 

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Your lower leg looks nice and secure and you are sitting quietly and waiting. Your arms are quite stiff and you don’t give much over the fence. He is obviously resisting you and going against the hand at times. Do you always jump in a loose ring snaffle with no flash or grackle noseband? If so I would consider a different set up for jumping as he certainly looks like he’s towing you around at times.
 

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Thanks guys I’m glad that I’m not imagining it as when I told people how strong he felt they thought he looked bang on.

So schooling wise his canter is epic at the moment, he’s really learned to halt half and collect and give and Re take etc. But the minute jumps and and atmosphere comes out that seems to go out the window.

I loathe to bit up but I sort of feel like the schooling has been addressed and of course jumping at home I don’t get the same feeling from him so I can’t “practice”!!

I have a peanut roller type fulmer somewhere that might be just enough or otherwise a neue shule universal?
 

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I thought that you rode that well :). I think I remember you posting previously that you've a tendency to go for a long one, which is what I do, dammit, but you let the fences keep coming.

Thanks yes I definitely do but I have a bit more faith in myself to tell Bog we need an extra stride and not be afraid of it
 

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Universal might just give you the edge then so you can pop him on his hocks, soften your hands and let him use his energy in a productive way instead of ending up in a tug of war. it's difficult when you know you need to get closer to a fence but are in a trap of riding a bit backward because the horse is pulling. much nicer feeling to press forward to a closer spot IMO but you can only do that if the canter is in a bit more of its own balance.
 

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before on video you looked a bit too fast,now it looks just right, rhythm and speed for the height you are jumping, the jumps look a bit small for him, make him jump a bit flat? try a bit more height and width to absorb his natural arc of jump

i dont think he`s very old? as his training schooling progresses and his canter can sit and he can concertina his body more he may come back to you in canter through collection half halt etc then you would feel a big difference, but don`t rush on him come to it in time
 

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Arts does that change in front but not behind thing, mainly around a course of fences but she can do it while just flat schooling too if she's on a bit of a hot one. She does it when she is holding a lot of tension in her front end, and so she's not properly through over her back, and then I shift my weight just ever so slightly.

She will also do it sometimes when lunging over poles on a circle - as she stretches for a long stride she will change in front but doesn't change behind.

The tension in the front end that starts the chain of events for when she does it while ridden is generally largely my fault because I'm trying to hold the canter together too much. A while back I came to the conclusion that I'm better to let her get a bit long and flat than inducing the tension in the front end. In the last few months she has actually developed a much better canter and relaxed style over fences so she hasn't actually done it in quite a while. Slightly higher fences and lots of related distances have made a real difference to her.

Not sure if any of that is even remotely useful, but just in case it relates... (It can be pretty hard to tell what someone is feeling on the end of the reins from a vid)
 

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before on video you looked a bit too fast,now it looks just right, rhythm and speed for the height you are jumping, the jumps look a bit small for him, make him jump a bit flat? try a bit more height and width to absorb his natural arc of jump

i dont think he`s very old? as his training schooling progresses and his canter can sit and he can concertina his body more he may come back to you in canter through collection half halt etc then you would feel a big difference, but don`t rush on him come to it in time

Aha there lies the problem as this for me is big!!! I have been struggling with 60/70 since starting jumping again but do seem to have found some more confidence.

Hopefully in time..

He’s just turned 9 but has had mostly 18 months off proper jump training
 

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One thing i noticed, and only because i tend to do it all the time too (and also sit left) is your left hand is always a little bit stronger on, even on a right turn. I don't know why i always struggle to give with my left, i just do..so my shoulder etc follows that.
 

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As you went on, it looked more relaxed. The comment about the good rhythm is spot on. Do you like riding that length? If it was a hole shorter would you feel uncomfortable? On the whole, I am "well jell" of you. Looks like it will be easy to make progress from where you are now.
 

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As you went on, it looked more relaxed. The comment about the good rhythm is spot on. Do you like riding that length? If it was a hole shorter would you feel uncomfortable? On the whole, I am "well jell" of you. Looks like it will be easy to make progress from where you are now.

Ha that was a hole shorter than I'd usually jump!! Does it still look quite long? I think I need to get my arse into the saddle a bit instead of bouncing around so not sure if shorter stirrups may make that worse....
 

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Your lower leg looks nice and secure and you are sitting quietly and waiting. Your arms are quite stiff and you don’t give much over the fence. He is obviously resisting you and going against the hand at times. Do you always jump in a loose ring snaffle with no flash or grackle noseband? If so I would consider a different set up for jumping as he certainly looks like he’s towing you around at times.


I used to jump in a fulmer with a roller but also used to dressage in it. Swapped to loose ring for DR and just never changed it back.

I don't own a flash but do usually go XC in a grackle.
 

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I used to jump in a fulmer with a roller but also used to dressage in it. Swapped to loose ring for DR and just never changed it back.

I don't own a flash but do usually go XC in a grackle.

Then I would try SJ in the grackle before you change anything else. He is looking really good and confident, you just want a bit more control without fighting but don’t want to back him off too much. Is the loose ring double or single joint?
 

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Are you sitting left or is he sitting you left?

I really don’t know, it could be either of us. He has hock arthritis and his right hind (same as injured hind) is very slightly positive to flexion but it trots out quick enough to pass a vet. He’s had steroids and tildren end of last summer but vet isn’t keen to Re do unnecessarily, it’s one of the reasons I have him looked at so often though so I can monitor the slightest change (in fact he’s being assessed under saddle tomorrow, because he hasn’t been looked at with tack on since we found the injury and he did show lameness after lots of canter work when diagnosed last feb).

But I think looking back at photos I have a history of it.. this is 3 odd years ago and before he was ever injured etc.

So not sure really, maybe it’s a bit of both of us? As far as he goes he has even musculature though.
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For some of the fences it looked like you knew he was going for a long one but didn’t trust enough to fold and give. I think you’d find it easier to keep your heels down over the fence with your stirrups up a hole (or if you’re like me... three!) too. Aside from that I thought it was a nice round!
 

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I really don’t know, it could be either of us. He has hock arthritis and his right hind (same as injured hind) is very slightly positive to flexion but it trots out quick enough to pass a vet. He’s had steroids and tildren end of last summer but vet isn’t keen to Re do unnecessarily, it’s one of the reasons I have him looked at so often though so I can monitor the slightest change (in fact he’s being assessed under saddle tomorrow, because he hasn’t been looked at with tack on since we found the injury and he did show lameness after lots of canter work when diagnosed last feb).

But I think looking back at photos I have a history of it.. this is 3 odd years ago and before he was ever injured etc.

So not sure really, maybe it’s a bit of both of us? As far as he goes he has even musculature though.
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Have you looked at the panels on your saddle to see if the left side is more compressed than the right? Even a tiny bit?
 

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Have you looked at the panels on your saddle to see if the left side is more compressed than the right? Even a tiny bit?

Yep. Got checked and had a total reflock by saddler in winter. Re checked again last month by a different saddler.

I think there was about 4 months between injury happening and him being diagnosed, and when I had the saddle checked before I got back on towards the end of rehab it was indeed “wonky”. Hasn’t happened since.
 

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Overall it's a really nice picture and I like the punchy positive canter. I'd say you could do with being a little softer through the knee to allow more weight into the stirrup to make it easier to go with him no matter the stride.

He does look quite tow-y - I think I'd possible experiment with half halting and conscientiously softening your contact so that rather than just sitting against, you're encouraging him to soften and wait for you. I'd mess around with that before going off into the world of different tack/bits.
 

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I had my vet look at him under saddle today (he was out for my youngster anyway). He’s had many a vet check this year but not under saddle since his injury was found, and originally we could see lameness after lots of canter work.

Vet thought he look really good, was very pleased with him in every way.

Chuffed with that :)
 

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Thanks guys I’m glad that I’m not imagining it as when I told people how strong he felt they thought he looked bang on.

So schooling wise his canter is epic at the moment, he’s really learned to halt half and collect and give and Re take etc. But the minute jumps and and atmosphere comes out that seems to go out the window.

I loathe to bit up but I sort of feel like the schooling has been addressed and of course jumping at home I don’t get the same feeling from him so I can’t “practice”!!

I have a peanut roller type fulmer somewhere that might be just enough or otherwise a neue shule universal?

I don't think there's any issue for bitting up for jumping if it helps - my mare is not in the least bit strong and I will happily hack her in a headcollar regularly and she schools in a basic fulmer snaffle - if we're jumping she wears a NS Universal Turtle Top, as she likes it and goes well in it. Its a strong bit, but if it works it works!
 

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I think it looks great. Things I might think about would be getting him lighter in the hand. I think you can do that through training. Rattling the bit is pretty effective, practice dropping him while warming up so he has to sit up, halting/strong half halts to be able to lighten and release and flexing left and right between fences to release some tension in neck/jaw.

Those jumps could go up 20cm and you would be find off that canter.
 

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I think it looks great. Things I might think about would be getting him lighter in the hand. I think you can do that through training. Rattling the bit is pretty effective, practice dropping him while warming up so he has to sit up, halting/strong half halts to be able to lighten and release and flexing left and right between fences to release some tension in neck/jaw.

Those jumps could go up 20cm and you would be find off that canter.

Ah thanks! Yes I have really worked on that with the flatwork with much success but somehow haven't managed to transfer it yet to the jumping away from home.

I certainyl don't want to be jumping a 100cm course but sadly think the horse could do with it :p
 

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I had my vet look at him under saddle today (he was out for my youngster anyway). He’s had many a vet check this year but not under saddle since his injury was found, and originally we could see lameness after lots of canter work.

Vet thought he look really good, was very pleased with him in every way.

Chuffed with that :)

That is brilliant news - so glad to hear that and well done for getting him there and keeping him there! :)
 
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