skinny livery, would you report me?

being honest i would approch or report as if there is nothing wrong or underliying then nothing bad would happen to the owner on the other hand if there is then something would be done. i got funny looks when people used to see my dales mare when i got her and it made me feel awful u almost want to go around with a sighn "i have just rescued this horse"

but if people didnt report the amount of creulty that does happen more horses would suffer. look at spindles farm what if nobody had reported thatmore horses could be dead right now/ in pain right now

P.S sorry for the bad spelling/ grammer had some lovely vino with the roast tee hee
 
Ahhh now I am less confused as to the question, and fair point! I personally would never join any kind of witch hunt, and I guess you have been wronged. I dont know the story hence I didnt 'get' your thread. Now I do Im outta here as it certainly doesnt involve me!
 
Awww Look at Tom, he is looking brilliant. What a dude he is.
Paolino has turned out great, is his wee girl having good fun with him?

I totally get what you are meaning about things not always being what they seem to be at first glance. I actually feel quite sick after finding out what Toni has been going through. I just hope that the horses in her care at moment aren't the ones to suffer at the end of all this.

If I came past your place, I would be banging on your door for my the cuppa tea and a choccy hob nob :D
 
If I saw horses, or any animals for that matter, who were in a consistently sorry state, with no signs of being fed, watered or cared for to sustain them, I would report.

My reporting would not be personal against an owner but to make the appropriate authorities aware there could be a problem. It is their job to approach owners to see if there is indeed neglect or a legitimate reason for their condition/s.

At least I would not feel I just walked on by and said nothing. Perhaps an owner was ill and noone was aware ... the scenarios are endless but at the end of the day animals cannot speak for themselves and it is our duty to sometimes do the talking for them.

In some instances of course owners have full justification of their charges condition, whether it be health problems, a recent rescue, etc, and are at no fault whatsoever. In some instances, however, it is the fault of an owner that their horses or animals fall into such a sorry state and they need to take accountability for their actions.
 
Rotchana said:
What a strange attention seeking thread.
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I found this thread rather interesting, especially peoples reactions to the photos initially, I thought rather than being attention seeking this thread was highlighting the fact that we have a tendency to assume things, jump to conclusions and judge situations sometimes quite wrongly (especially from photographs) rather than first finding out the facts and getting the whole picture.

I also wondered how many of us would have reported or shown concern about horses that were grossly overweight rather than underweight?

I know of at least two horse owners who were warned about overfeeding their horses and ignored this advice, they eventually had to have their horses pts due to laminitic complications.
 
Gosh when I first got Ginge he was very underweight and nervous. He has issues around food and gets very excited when he gets fed. Well 6 months later and with lots of help fom the vet and my wonderful YO we are slowly getting weight back on him but it is taking a while. I wouldn't report ya but if I saw you I would prob start a friendly chat and share ideas about getting condition on our neds? Im not really one for starting big wars when a nice chat would be so much nicer...thats if you were a chatterbox like me :)
 
rees said:
I found this thread rather interesting, especially peoples reactions to the photos initially, I thought rather than being attention seeking this thread was highlighting the fact that we have a tendency to assume things, jump to conclusions and judge situations sometimes quite wrongly (especially from photographs) rather than first finding out the facts and getting the whole picture.

I also wondered how many of us would have reported or shown concern about horses that were grossly overweight rather than underweight?

I know of at least two horse owners who were warned about overfeeding their horses and ignored this advice, they eventually had to have their horses pts due to laminitic complications.
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We are, indeed blessed to have been provided by the OP with such wonderful and wholly undeserved insight. I am humbled and will remember to kneel when I bestow my gratitude. This valuable moral lesson will, naturally, make us all better people.
 
rotchana,

If I even tried to blooming kneel I don't think I would be able to get up......do you think I will be ostracised if I don't even attempt it? Im a newbie and I am still familiarising myself with the HHO customs and etiquette rituals.
 
rees said:
I found this thread rather interesting, especially peoples reactions to the photos initially, I thought rather than being attention seeking this thread was highlighting the fact that we have a tendency to assume things, jump to conclusions and judge situations sometimes quite wrongly (especially from photographs) rather than first finding out the facts and getting the whole picture.

I also wondered how many of us would have reported or shown concern about horses that were grossly overweight rather than underweight?

I know of at least two horse owners who were warned about overfeeding their horses and ignored this advice, they eventually had to have their horses pts due to laminitic complications.
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Same valid points there - particularly those regarding people's attitudes to overweight horses.
 
Fairynuff said:
the point of my post is to put across that what is seen on HHo or FB and co, doesn't nec mean that it is up to date and todays reality!
So you see, what you see may not be what you believe it to be, so, before starting a witchhunt or joining a 'witch hunt', find out the facts.
Good luck to Toni and BER!
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I get you know. It's a shame, whether anything was wrong or not, that another charity's had to shut it's doors. I wish them all and the horses all the best. I didn't think much to the FB hate page tbh. Seemed like a poor attempt at valid arguments against them and nothing but a vendetta on a quick overal glance. But I don't know a thing so what do I know ;) I'll shush now.
 
Rotchana said:
What a strange attention seeking thread.
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you are completely off track. I have no need nor desire to 'seek attention'.
My post was to show people that what they see and what the actual reality is, can be very different. The witch hunt mentioned contained photos of some horses at BER.There were no dates attached to the photos or any info given regarding the health or history of the horses. The photos were used to manipulate people and have them believe that there was negligence and abuse being carried out by the rescue charity.
I have all the attention that I need thankyou and have no need to look for it here.(:
 
Very seriously strange post - I can't actually see the point of posting those pictures except to stur up reaction. But why would you want people to react negatively towards you?

By not posting the dates - it wasn't clever, it was just combative.

But back to subject - I would NEVER approach someone direct unless I knew them very well. You are very like to get a shotgun shoved up your nose for poking it in. If I saw three /four horses in a field looking like your photos I would have absolutely no hesitation in calling the RSPCA or similar.

I would also expect any good horse owner to welcome such enquiries from this type of authority with courtessy and assistance. All you would have to do is explain the circumstances and all would be well.
 
mcnaughty said:
Very seriously strange post - I can't actually see the point of posting those pictures except to stur up reaction. But why would you want people to react negatively towards you?
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You have to take this post in context of what has been happening recently on the forum. OP is not being combative. Quite the opposite. The point is that we shouldn't all go off on one at people without knowing the whole story. I think perhaps people have got the wrong end of the stick about what OP is trying to say :)
 
Alot depends on how well you know the horse and its rider. The horse in the first picture looks in pain to me - I don't like the way he is standing. Pain can cause huge weightloss and very quickly. If I knew the owner I'd carefully try to find out what they are feeding etc. Then maybe say something like, is X ok? I thought he was looking a bit off recently. Have you tried YY feed because it worked wonders for me. Some horses don't get fat, end of. But there is a difference between being a bit light and obviously thin. Quite often, the owner just hasn't taken something into consideration which is obvious to someone else, eg two feeds of decent size and the right sort of coarsemix, instead of half a pound of pony nuts once a day. However, if I thought it was wanton neglect and the owner didn't give a hoot, I wouldn't hesitate to report the horse. There are far too many horses and ponies who have the misfortune of ignorant uncaring owners and it is up to those of us who do care to speak out for them.
 
The horse in the first picture looks in pain to me - I don't like the way he is standing.
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No-one can tell if a horse is in pain from one photo unless it shows an obvious injury. You need more information or even better, see the horse in the flesh. It's really easy to take a photo of a perfectly sound and happy horse standing in an odd way/making a face as it is one split second in time.

The whole point of this post was to show how photos do not tell the whole story.
 
I'm confused. If you are running a rescue/welfare center then why does it matter to you that people are reporting the animals to welfare authorities? Surely they know what the situation regarding the animals in your care and act accordingly? I've had foster dogs that look like they are on deaths door, in fact my own very elderly dog is currently half bald and struggles to walk but I'd have absolutely no problem if someone cared enough to report their condition, I'll happily allow anyone into my home and explain the situation regarding the dogs in my care.
 
OK, there was a post that showed two photos of supposedly the same horse as proof of a welfare issue. The photos were not date stamped and as the second photo didn't show the whole horse, you couldn't even tell if it was actually the same horse.
 
I figured it out when I saw the black pony :D


I have to say though, Mairi that I LOVE Toms head and eyes :) He really has some of the most penetrating and beautiful eyes I have ever seen on a horse. They almost do not even look real ( if that makes sense)
 
I would sooner be reported in error to be honest. At least it is better to err on the side of caution, just in case there is a real issue with a horse's welfare. At least if the authorities investigate a possible case and it proves to be a genuine health problem there is no harm done. I hope this makes sense suffering from muddled brain today.
 
Really interesting post and absolutely on the money that we jump to conclusions before having the full story.

Another point it has brought up is that people do not read things properly as there are still people posting since your explanation who clearly haven't read it and understood what you were getting at!
 
Fairynuff said:
this is Ali. He arrived in this condition and after a year of TLC, left in the same condition. Now, had you seen him out in the field, what would you have done? Would you have knocked on my door to talk about him, or, would you have set up a witch hunt to close me down? I have other pics of liveries who were underweight but were well fed and followed by vet and dentist to no avail. Skinnyness is not always due to underfeeding and /or neglect. Will dig out some other pics.
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My poor friend had a jumping pony who she bought from a local family it was well known and had won alot about 2 months after she bought it, it swtarted to lose weight and look really poor so she did all the usual upped its feed etc. Anyway she was subject to a witch hunt at our local riding club people reporting her, talking behind her back etc. Turned out the pony had terminal cancer and as soon as it was confirmed she had the pony put down so make sure you think before you bitch!!!!
 
I know this is an old thread, but I have only just seen it, and I remember how nasty you were Mairi, when I reported the mare in these pictures to the RSPCA. She was put to sleep as soon as the vet had examined her as she had pneumonia. At least now I understand all your 'stay away from my yard' threats, although your horses look positively glowing in comparison.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/picture.php?pictureid=9592&albumid=1754&dl=1302964657&thumb=1

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/picture.php?pictureid=9590&albumid=1754&dl=1302964416&thumb=1

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/picture.php?pictureid=9591&albumid=1754&dl=1302964455&thumb=1

Somethingorother, thank you for your post on my thread about the poor mare, and to the others that were nice, it was a bad enough day without Mairi's comments on top. Although at least I understand a bit better now why you are so defensive Mairi.
 
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