Maesfen
Extremely Old Nag!
In that case why did people vote to stay united?
SNP to hold balance of power and the future of Repeal
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In that case why did people vote to stay united?
Goldenstar
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Just been talking with my brother who always has an interesting take on things .
Suggestion is that Cameron has drawn Sturgeons fire to stiffen up the resolve to take on the West Lothian issue .
I think the whole English votes for English laws thing is going to be a very hot potato.
As for Ms Sturgeon I 'thought 'she was in charge of a brave new type of principled government er no same old ,same old .
Interesting times ahead .
Suggestion is that Cameron has drawn Sturgeons fire to stiffen up the resolve to take on the West Lothian issue .
I think the whole English votes for English laws thing is going to be a very hot potato.
As for Ms Sturgeon I 'thought 'she was in charge of a brave new type of principled government er no same old ,same old .
Interesting times ahead .
Goldenstar
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Not quite the labour / conserative / lib dem vote was around 36%
So more than a third of those who voted did not vote SNP that's not no one .
Exploding Chestnuts
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OK, well put it this way the only voter who has any clout is the SNP voter, the rest can bleat like the lost lambs they are, but it will make no difference. It is our kind of democracy.
For those who asked why we voted NO in the referendum, that was because 90% of the population put their mark on that paper, but in the general election only 60 odd % turned out, as the consequences are less long lasting and the matter is of less import.
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Goldenstar
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I afraid your attitude smacks of a one party state type mind set.
Add those who did not turn out to that 36% and it can't be said in any form that the SNP are universally supported in Scotland .
The quality of a political party can be judged in a large part by how they behave towards those who disagree with them .
Looking from the outside the SNP do a good line in bleating themselves in fact their always an telly bleating about something most English people can't care less about .
popsdosh
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History will show the the SNP have been totally out foxed on this one and i would not surprise me if labour were not in on it! apparently they had begged for SNP support to defeat the amendment ,lets face it they are not exactly the best of mates after the election. Labour would love to see the SNP getting a kicking!
Did anybody seriously believe that the PM who has been so outspoken on repeal would have brought forward such a soft change to the act if he was serious about the repeal. It was always going to be used for a kick in the teeth to the two faced NS and the SNP. She has sacrificed all her credibility over a vote that would have merely modified the number of hounds used to flush a fox. Indeed to same extent they have in Scotland and however much they protest they never had any intention of changing the act in Scotland . However I really feel that hunting in Scotland may now suffer a vindictive attack from Her and her cronies.
Did anybody seriously believe that the PM who has been so outspoken on repeal would have brought forward such a soft change to the act if he was serious about the repeal. It was always going to be used for a kick in the teeth to the two faced NS and the SNP. She has sacrificed all her credibility over a vote that would have merely modified the number of hounds used to flush a fox. Indeed to same extent they have in Scotland and however much they protest they never had any intention of changing the act in Scotland . However I really feel that hunting in Scotland may now suffer a vindictive attack from Her and her cronies.
popsdosh
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So were a lot of the cruel dictators in history,its the only way to win people over to obtain the power in the first place . I hope in 5yrs time everybody in Scotland feels the same about the SNP,thats if you are able to vote of course!!!
ribbons
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To me, the SNP resembles a spoilt brat. Kevin & Perry style.
It doesn't matter what happens its never good enough for them. Everything is unfair, everyone else has it better than them, they should have the best of everything, they throw strops when they don't get their own way. Its all me me me.
Salmond was bad enough, Sturgeon has taken it to another level. I'm just amazed the Scottish people can't see the size of her ego. Her opinion of herself is unbelievable, the Scottish people come a very poor second to her own inflated sense of personal importance, and will ultimately be detrimental to the country.
It doesn't matter what happens its never good enough for them. Everything is unfair, everyone else has it better than them, they should have the best of everything, they throw strops when they don't get their own way. Its all me me me.
Salmond was bad enough, Sturgeon has taken it to another level. I'm just amazed the Scottish people can't see the size of her ego. Her opinion of herself is unbelievable, the Scottish people come a very poor second to her own inflated sense of personal importance, and will ultimately be detrimental to the country.
Exploding Chestnuts
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Crikey, compared to Blair she is a mere novice, and look how well he has done [for himself], and he was a very popular party leader and PM.
A leader has to be self-confident, or they cannot be a leader..............
This is not really about fox hunting surely, it is about power, and the PM is perfectly happy to use his power, why wouldn't he?
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Merlin11
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Some of us in Scotland can see through her and the SNP but unfortunately we are in the minority at the moment. Unfortunately I think she will have to do some real damage before more people can see that they are not good for Scotland. As far as I can see they have yet to come up with any real workable policies. They just like to complain about everyone else's and hopefully more scots will start to realise this. She may be clever but I think David C and the Tories will outwit her.
ribbons
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You're dead right about one thing. It has absolutely nothing to do with fox hunting.
That is the one issue Sturgeon once claimed she had no interest in voting on.
Of course its about power, and the crazy woman is trying to flex her muscles and show she has some.
Reminiscent of the play ground, and like all spoilt children, she will be slapped down eventually.
Silly silly woman, playing a dangerous game at the expense of Scottish people, and to the detriment of the uk as a whole.
KautoStar1
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bl**dy hell, I am glad I am not your horse JM !
Judgemental
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KautoStar, our horses have perfect manners.
On a serious point I see Merlin (based in Scotland) inferred that the people of Scotland were beginning to see through Mrs S. I think her novelty will lose momentum.
Meowy Catkin
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So do we need a federal system where most issues are voted for by the local government (so Welsh MP's vote about Welsh issues at the Welsh Assembly, and the same for the English, Scottish and NI equivalents) and then big issues that affect everyone (eg defence) are at a higher level of government and MP's from all the countries that make up Great Britain can vote?
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Hmmm, I dont really think so. Yes, Cameron has side-stepped.... for the moment. But what's going to happen when the hunting bill comes up again in Parliament... or something more important that cant be easily postponed. Sturgeon can just start the power-play all over again.
Goldenstar
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What's the bet the hunting bill does not come before parliament before the West Lothian question has been at least in part addressed.
Lizzie66
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Well that depends on whether you think DC wants the West Lothian question answering. I would imagine he will now be able to garner full support from the Tory MPs to ensure that it is put to bed once and for all.
Once he has it enshrined in law that MPs can only vote on matters that affect their constituencies then he will be laughing. It will make life a lot more difficult for Labour to get a ruling majority in England and once the law is brought in then it would take a brave PM to repeal it.
This could effectively see the Conservatives ruling the largest part of the Union for many years to come.
To me it looks like they are playing chess and whilst NS is looking at the next move he is looking at the end game.
PS: having said that maybe NS is also playing the long game but not with regard to gaining influence over the UK but by making it impossible for Scotland and the rest of the UK to work together and thereby forcing the split ?
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