Kenzo
Well-Known Member
I have been taken for a complete idiot.
As you know from my previous posts I've had the welshy on free loan, for those of you that don't know the lady that owns her didn't have time for her, either to look after her or ride her due to having a toddler, so she had to have the mare on full livery, financially that also was a strain for her,
She knew that I was thinking of getting another horse on loan before Christmas as I was wanting something to compete, go and have fun on and something safe to hack out etc and one evening said I've been thinking, you want another horse to ride, I need someone to exercise my mare and look after her, do you fancy taking on Ro, I know she's got her issues but you'd be the ideal person for her and I trust you with her etc etc At the time I said I'd think about it because the mare was not exactly plain sailing, can't hack her out on her own, doesn't like heavy traffic, very spooky, unschooled, doesn't jump, never been anywhere (as in competed) won't travel, bolshie, tanks off around the yard when leading her, unable to clip her etc and her words were I'd struggle to get someone to take her on loan as I don't think anyone would manage with her, plus didn't really want some new stranger coming onto the yard because our YO is fussy who he has on the yard.
So I mulled over it for a few days and although she was not what I'd of chose, I thought because she's a friend, known her for her years (and the mare for years) hopefully I can improve the mare, I like a challenge, I'd enjoy schooling her etc and it would be helping her out. She made it clear that she didn't want anything in return, I said tell you what stick her on DIY so its cheaper livery for you but I'll do the mucking out, bedding down, turnout the full works and she was over the moon with that, after all she was paying around £60 per week, that's £240.00 per month, so I was saving her money, she only had to £75.00 a month because I also said I'd pay for her hay and her hard feed while there in over winter (every year they go out 24/7 May to Oct/Nov), as well as shoeing. She was truly grateful and said you don't what that means to me and how much that is huge weight of my shoulders because I was beginning to think I'd have to sell her. We had that exact arrangement and I spoke with the YO and told him that she was to pay for her DIY but I was actually doing it, I'd be paying for her hay. Hard feed had nothing to do with YO cos she used to buy it in, so again I bought this in and paid for it.
Right, all with me so far.
Her feet were in bad condition, over grown and shoes hanging off, she was extremely over weight (she's not been ridden for nearly a year) so she was unfit, scabby coat and had a little mud fever and generally not in great condition.
Everything went to plan, I schooled her, got weight of her, got a her looking really well, got her hacking out on her own, she trusted me and we bonded, you can now safely hack her out without her being stupid, spinning around, shooting off down the road, doesn't go round with her eyes on stalks, she's done some dressage and now I've got her jumping a small course of jumps and she's the mare is all the attention and the work. Everyone has commented and said how well she's doing, what a great job I've done with her and she's never looked so good and that the owner is onto a good thing having you doing this for her. Not only that but she had to be sedated years ago because you could not get near her with a pair of clippers, I clipped her under her jaw line a few weeks ago and she never battered a single eye lid because she trust me.
Meanwhile owner has been down to the yard 3 times since Dec to now (twice was last week to get some rugs for cleaning, which I offered to pay for but she no no its ok I'll sort that just wash her fly rug), YO asked on more than one occasion if I'd seen her because she owed him her livery, I said I'd not heard nor seen her which I hadn't then, this was months ago.
Get this, she rings me out of blue yesterday evening and says ''we owe YO £150.00, I said I don't understand, I don't owe him anything and all I got was well it's for her livery and I've not got it so you'll have to sort it! so I said said in a politely that its nothing to do with me and she's is to sort it out with the YO.
Then rang me back and says that I should of pay it because now she's not on winter livery (getting through £10.00 hay a week nor getting hard feed) you should contribute to her field keep, I said but that is not what we agreed, you just wanted me to look after her and ride her, I offered to pay for her hay and buy her hard feed (which included better food and supplements which I am still giving her now because she's in work) as the mare has never had hard feed/hay during April to Oct, she said well I must of misunderstood but you'll still have to pay it.
So I rang YO and said so so just be on the phone saying I owe you £150.00 I don't understand? he said no she's owes me 3 months back rent, hasn't paid me enough when she's finally coughed up and that is what is still outstanding from her, I know you don't owe me anything and I know what the arrangement was, tell her your not paying it''.
So I rang her back up and said no sorry but its not up to me to pay that and she still wouldn't have it, said despite my misunderstanding I feel you should now be paying £10 a week (£40.00 per month) to me or YO, but I said she's not on hay and if I'm buying the food why should I also pay you for it!'' so then she turned round and said well you don't your dad buys your hard feed for you (he get's it whole sale) but what's that got to do with it, I can spend £40.00 a month on supplement for both mine and mare. So got upset (not as in angry, just started getting upset and tear full) because she's totally back tracking on what we'd agreed so I said ''ok I'll sort it but don't see why I should'', I was just too upset to argue and just wanted to end the conversation.
Then she came down and said look I want you to have her on loan, your doing a great job and I'm really great full for what you have done with her etc but I don't see why you should have the privilege (yes her exact words) of her 24/7 without paying for her up keep, so I want £10 a week for her livery'' (she only pays £18.00 a week for her summer grazing) and she also went on to say ''at the end of the day you have got horse that you can hack out and compete at dressage etc and its nobody else would have that privilege, I said but the mare can only do that now because of what i have done with her, she then went onto say ''if you had another on loan you'd only have to pay for their full livery so I don't see why you can't pay for hers, so if you don't like it then you can stop riding her'' I said yeah but I have also put all the hard work into her, paid for shoeing, saved you money, I did it all to help you out and for the benefit of Ro''
Then in her next breath said ''well you didn't hav to pay for her hard feed or the farrier I'd of happily paid for that, you offered!'' I said well of course I offered I wanted to pay for things like that. I even rang her last Saturday and asked if I could get her teeth done because my ETD was coming out to Mack and said I'd pay for it, but she didn't want that ETD as she played up with him last time, (more like played up with her) she'd of been totally fine, she's in her teens and no doubt desperately needs them seeing to which I'd glady and expected to pay for but she told me leave it.
I was absolutely gob smacked, stood there in tears, she saying one thing and then totally going against what she'd just said, I honestly can't believe the cheek of the woman after all I have done for her, I feel like I have been stabbed in the back and she's emotionally blacking mailing me into paying for her keep, because the reason I was crying (like a blubbering idiot) is because I've got so attached to her which is what I said, I looked after her every day, grooming her, field checking her early mornings and riding her every evening and put so much hard work into her, I got a huge amount of pleasure out of doing it though, I never asked for any thanks or anything from her, the pleasure was all mine, having something to ride again on a daily basis, what with the issues I've had with my boy yet I still took her her difficult mare and if I'm honest put her first.
She said you show your emotions in a different way to me, you get upset and tearful but I get angry and I'm sorry if I've upset you but that is what I want from you, I said I can't afford to pay that (I can but just purely the fact is she's purposely changed her mind and because she can't afford her livery has tried to get the money out of me) which is a the lowest of the low.
She then went on to tell me she was made redundant a few months back and is finding things difficult, which i can understand but so is everyone, I had to take a pay cut but I didnt turn round and say I couldnt have her anymore.
I shall be giving her the spare tack back (as he also had some so she could ride when she wanted) and will be telling her that I won't be continuing with riding her anymore, so she has well and truly shot herself in the foot, the poor mare won't be exercised, nor will she get daily attention, she'll oose condition, everything I've done with her as in ridden work will go down the pan.
I'm totally gutted for the mare and feel used and hurt when all along I was doing the owner a favour....which she still maintains strangely enough.
Now I'm horseless (well I know I've got Mack but he young and I can't anything with him at the moment) it was so nice to see be able to transform a little baggage of mare into something i got so much pleasure out of and could actually hack to my local CC and have fun on, now I sat here in tears asking how someone could be so pigged headed, sneaky and unreasonable, not only that but I got offered another horse on loan which was the full singing all dancing horse that i could complete on a more proffessional level, but I turned it down because I wanted to be loyal to the owner and the mare despite not being able to do what I could of done with the other horse.
Just can't beleive it all the things she was saying which is only half of what I can remember, don't get me wrong she's not fallen out with me, she knows full well I'm not being unreasonable and she's been onto a good thing and still wants me to have her but does she honestly think I came down in last months rain showers after everthing she's said and trying to scam me because she can't afford to keep her.
What more could she ask for, I did everything she could possibly want at the time when she just asked me to ride her and look after her and more.
I could of lost my wragg and told her to get stuffed but I didnt because I was just so upset, I coudlnt even think straight to point that it was her that benefited in every single way, she knows I'm soft person and totally took advange of my me.
As you know from my previous posts I've had the welshy on free loan, for those of you that don't know the lady that owns her didn't have time for her, either to look after her or ride her due to having a toddler, so she had to have the mare on full livery, financially that also was a strain for her,
She knew that I was thinking of getting another horse on loan before Christmas as I was wanting something to compete, go and have fun on and something safe to hack out etc and one evening said I've been thinking, you want another horse to ride, I need someone to exercise my mare and look after her, do you fancy taking on Ro, I know she's got her issues but you'd be the ideal person for her and I trust you with her etc etc At the time I said I'd think about it because the mare was not exactly plain sailing, can't hack her out on her own, doesn't like heavy traffic, very spooky, unschooled, doesn't jump, never been anywhere (as in competed) won't travel, bolshie, tanks off around the yard when leading her, unable to clip her etc and her words were I'd struggle to get someone to take her on loan as I don't think anyone would manage with her, plus didn't really want some new stranger coming onto the yard because our YO is fussy who he has on the yard.
So I mulled over it for a few days and although she was not what I'd of chose, I thought because she's a friend, known her for her years (and the mare for years) hopefully I can improve the mare, I like a challenge, I'd enjoy schooling her etc and it would be helping her out. She made it clear that she didn't want anything in return, I said tell you what stick her on DIY so its cheaper livery for you but I'll do the mucking out, bedding down, turnout the full works and she was over the moon with that, after all she was paying around £60 per week, that's £240.00 per month, so I was saving her money, she only had to £75.00 a month because I also said I'd pay for her hay and her hard feed while there in over winter (every year they go out 24/7 May to Oct/Nov), as well as shoeing. She was truly grateful and said you don't what that means to me and how much that is huge weight of my shoulders because I was beginning to think I'd have to sell her. We had that exact arrangement and I spoke with the YO and told him that she was to pay for her DIY but I was actually doing it, I'd be paying for her hay. Hard feed had nothing to do with YO cos she used to buy it in, so again I bought this in and paid for it.
Right, all with me so far.
Her feet were in bad condition, over grown and shoes hanging off, she was extremely over weight (she's not been ridden for nearly a year) so she was unfit, scabby coat and had a little mud fever and generally not in great condition.
Everything went to plan, I schooled her, got weight of her, got a her looking really well, got her hacking out on her own, she trusted me and we bonded, you can now safely hack her out without her being stupid, spinning around, shooting off down the road, doesn't go round with her eyes on stalks, she's done some dressage and now I've got her jumping a small course of jumps and she's the mare is all the attention and the work. Everyone has commented and said how well she's doing, what a great job I've done with her and she's never looked so good and that the owner is onto a good thing having you doing this for her. Not only that but she had to be sedated years ago because you could not get near her with a pair of clippers, I clipped her under her jaw line a few weeks ago and she never battered a single eye lid because she trust me.
Meanwhile owner has been down to the yard 3 times since Dec to now (twice was last week to get some rugs for cleaning, which I offered to pay for but she no no its ok I'll sort that just wash her fly rug), YO asked on more than one occasion if I'd seen her because she owed him her livery, I said I'd not heard nor seen her which I hadn't then, this was months ago.
Get this, she rings me out of blue yesterday evening and says ''we owe YO £150.00, I said I don't understand, I don't owe him anything and all I got was well it's for her livery and I've not got it so you'll have to sort it! so I said said in a politely that its nothing to do with me and she's is to sort it out with the YO.
Then rang me back and says that I should of pay it because now she's not on winter livery (getting through £10.00 hay a week nor getting hard feed) you should contribute to her field keep, I said but that is not what we agreed, you just wanted me to look after her and ride her, I offered to pay for her hay and buy her hard feed (which included better food and supplements which I am still giving her now because she's in work) as the mare has never had hard feed/hay during April to Oct, she said well I must of misunderstood but you'll still have to pay it.
So I rang YO and said so so just be on the phone saying I owe you £150.00 I don't understand? he said no she's owes me 3 months back rent, hasn't paid me enough when she's finally coughed up and that is what is still outstanding from her, I know you don't owe me anything and I know what the arrangement was, tell her your not paying it''.
So I rang her back up and said no sorry but its not up to me to pay that and she still wouldn't have it, said despite my misunderstanding I feel you should now be paying £10 a week (£40.00 per month) to me or YO, but I said she's not on hay and if I'm buying the food why should I also pay you for it!'' so then she turned round and said well you don't your dad buys your hard feed for you (he get's it whole sale) but what's that got to do with it, I can spend £40.00 a month on supplement for both mine and mare. So got upset (not as in angry, just started getting upset and tear full) because she's totally back tracking on what we'd agreed so I said ''ok I'll sort it but don't see why I should'', I was just too upset to argue and just wanted to end the conversation.
Then she came down and said look I want you to have her on loan, your doing a great job and I'm really great full for what you have done with her etc but I don't see why you should have the privilege (yes her exact words) of her 24/7 without paying for her up keep, so I want £10 a week for her livery'' (she only pays £18.00 a week for her summer grazing) and she also went on to say ''at the end of the day you have got horse that you can hack out and compete at dressage etc and its nobody else would have that privilege, I said but the mare can only do that now because of what i have done with her, she then went onto say ''if you had another on loan you'd only have to pay for their full livery so I don't see why you can't pay for hers, so if you don't like it then you can stop riding her'' I said yeah but I have also put all the hard work into her, paid for shoeing, saved you money, I did it all to help you out and for the benefit of Ro''
Then in her next breath said ''well you didn't hav to pay for her hard feed or the farrier I'd of happily paid for that, you offered!'' I said well of course I offered I wanted to pay for things like that. I even rang her last Saturday and asked if I could get her teeth done because my ETD was coming out to Mack and said I'd pay for it, but she didn't want that ETD as she played up with him last time, (more like played up with her) she'd of been totally fine, she's in her teens and no doubt desperately needs them seeing to which I'd glady and expected to pay for but she told me leave it.
I was absolutely gob smacked, stood there in tears, she saying one thing and then totally going against what she'd just said, I honestly can't believe the cheek of the woman after all I have done for her, I feel like I have been stabbed in the back and she's emotionally blacking mailing me into paying for her keep, because the reason I was crying (like a blubbering idiot) is because I've got so attached to her which is what I said, I looked after her every day, grooming her, field checking her early mornings and riding her every evening and put so much hard work into her, I got a huge amount of pleasure out of doing it though, I never asked for any thanks or anything from her, the pleasure was all mine, having something to ride again on a daily basis, what with the issues I've had with my boy yet I still took her her difficult mare and if I'm honest put her first.
She said you show your emotions in a different way to me, you get upset and tearful but I get angry and I'm sorry if I've upset you but that is what I want from you, I said I can't afford to pay that (I can but just purely the fact is she's purposely changed her mind and because she can't afford her livery has tried to get the money out of me) which is a the lowest of the low.
She then went on to tell me she was made redundant a few months back and is finding things difficult, which i can understand but so is everyone, I had to take a pay cut but I didnt turn round and say I couldnt have her anymore.
I shall be giving her the spare tack back (as he also had some so she could ride when she wanted) and will be telling her that I won't be continuing with riding her anymore, so she has well and truly shot herself in the foot, the poor mare won't be exercised, nor will she get daily attention, she'll oose condition, everything I've done with her as in ridden work will go down the pan.
I'm totally gutted for the mare and feel used and hurt when all along I was doing the owner a favour....which she still maintains strangely enough.
Now I'm horseless (well I know I've got Mack but he young and I can't anything with him at the moment) it was so nice to see be able to transform a little baggage of mare into something i got so much pleasure out of and could actually hack to my local CC and have fun on, now I sat here in tears asking how someone could be so pigged headed, sneaky and unreasonable, not only that but I got offered another horse on loan which was the full singing all dancing horse that i could complete on a more proffessional level, but I turned it down because I wanted to be loyal to the owner and the mare despite not being able to do what I could of done with the other horse.
Just can't beleive it all the things she was saying which is only half of what I can remember, don't get me wrong she's not fallen out with me, she knows full well I'm not being unreasonable and she's been onto a good thing and still wants me to have her but does she honestly think I came down in last months rain showers after everthing she's said and trying to scam me because she can't afford to keep her.
What more could she ask for, I did everything she could possibly want at the time when she just asked me to ride her and look after her and more.
I could of lost my wragg and told her to get stuffed but I didnt because I was just so upset, I coudlnt even think straight to point that it was her that benefited in every single way, she knows I'm soft person and totally took advange of my me.
