So were the posters who backed Jamie Gray "Trolls" ?

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Can't believe that over night Patty has done 2 pages of quotes,of what ??? info that has been repeated over and over the last 16 months ???
Bet nothing new has been revealed ???
Someone needs to get a life and accept that its over and done with,move on justice has been done.
It has turned into a circus and Patty/MJ is the clown
 
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Don;t forget that Mr gray is back up in court on the 27th May on horse transportation charges, and also for failing to dispose of dead horse carcasses.

Does anyone know why he's changed the name of his farm? Spindles Farm is now called Old Home Farmhouse. Going for a cosier image perhaps?
 
Having read your replies patty, which are generally more questions than answers, I have one observation

Your only purpose in being on this forum is not to represent any kind of truth, it is as a member of a legal defence team in the hope of supporting an appeal against conviction - since you canot rely on evidence because the Court have heard that and judged based on it, you are now hoping to provoke somebody into saying something that can be twisted, or publishing a photograph to cast more doubt on.

You cannot defend JG by making vague comments about turncoat vets, or RSPCA politics - you should be very ashamed, as should JG and all his family.
 
Sorry Patty can you show us photographic evidence that the carcasses were dug up as to me the coloured particularly looks like it was left to rot where it fell..

If the RSPCA did dig up buried animals I would like to see them taken to task over it.

the animals I have seen deep littered in barns were on straw
 
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Patty, do you know how many horses were dug up?

Nothing was mentioned in the press release about horses being dug up!

I have also found the answer to my question about why the RSPCA did not use the CPS to prosecute. It is because they dont! It seems to have nothing to do with whether or not it is suitable for the CPS. They choose to bring private prosecutions. The SPCA and the RSPB use the CPS. So the argument that the CPS doesnt understand all the ins and outs of animal cruelty is not the case in the eyes of other animal charities. Indeed it is not the case in the RSPCAs sister organisation the SPCA.

Janet George. There have been several cases where only one animal has been injured or unhealthy, in amongst many healthy ones, which have led to prosecutions by the RSPCA. Vets statements are regularly ignored. The animals are often seized and euthanised immediately.

Anyone who keeps animals should make themselves aware of their rights in respect of the RSPCA.
 
Your post sums you up Patty......

You do not know right from wrong.

If you are happy to keep animals in the same conditions as the Grays, who have been convicted of cruelty, (the whole family), then it shows you are equally as horrible and callous as them.
 
patty good morning to you i trust you are well???
to your reply about you no longer have a horse well i some how think think thats for the best dont you???
in reply to your comment about me not believeing the media well i have to say i find the photos pretty real and see in no way they are photoshopped or such like??? and im correct in thinking they are actually spindles farm??? i feel that this is enough evidence for me fogive me if you feel i am ignorant, the photos the PW has posted are eveidence and unless you are sugesting that i , PW and other members of this forum have visual imparements then we will leave it at that.
as to you comment about the rspca will prosicute your "ass" with any luck they will stick a cap in it
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I am no fan of the RSPCA, what I have seen of them in practice has been pretty rubbish and I don't agree they should be as political as they are and waste the money they do on things like hunting.

I think its wrong that people donating money don't realise that next to nothing gets to the actual rescue centres which is where they intend it to go, it goes centrally to fund other things than actually rescuing animals and supporting them in the centres where the rescue animals go.

So I don't think the RSPCA are infallible and perfect and I never support them through donations - I'd rather give direct to the organisations who have to feed the animals.

That being said though, I can't reconcile a few things about this case. If as MJ/Patty alleges - that this is all pretty much a fabrication of the RSPCA and we haven't seen the truth and the pics aren't right and no-one has listened to the poor innocent Gray family and its all wrong...

WHY?

What do the RSPCA gain from this prosecution? What do the charities that took in the horses gain? Because I cannot see where the RSPCA will benefit at all in this - the legal fees will be huge (even more so if it goes to appeal), the fees for keeping the horses will be huge, and even if costs get awarded against the Grays the RSPCA and other charities will still end up with a huge bill unless the Grays are closet millionaires and can afford the fines and fees. I can't see donations covering it either. So the RSPCA and others will end up well out of pocket with maybe some minor amount being recovered from the Grays.

And if it was such a flimsy case as MJ/Patty says - no way would they risk it - they couldn't afford to lose this case under such circumstances. Can you imagine if they "invented" all this what the fallout would be???

And of course there are prople here who have seen the state of these horses - visited the places they are staying - why should we call them a liar against the word of MJ/P?

This is why I can't see the RSPCA doing this for anything but the right reasons and the only thing that makes sense is that James Gray consistently bought in cheap and bottom end animals to try to turn round and make a profit, but failed to spend any money treating them when they needed it, or spending money to remove carcasses - and as a result more died than would normally if they were at a reputable dealers yard where they received food and care and vets attention.

Oh and my other big point - so what if there is food and hay in the barn? Doesn't mean they were getting it! Unless they could open the gates, wander out of the field and help themselves.

This wouldn't be the first case where there was a field full of hay available but horses died of starvation as the owner didn't give them it...
 
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I have some questions I would like to ask Patty about individual animals whose condition I have seen in numerous video's with my own eyes:

The dark bay / black with the no 58 sprayed on

The bay cob with diarrohea no KH15

The fallen grey no 5

The fallen bay by the water trough

For these animals if you can remember from the trial please could you explain how long JG had owned each of these animals for and where he had bought them from - private home / UK auction / abroad / another dealer etc.

I personally cannot understand as a trader why he would buy animals in such a state, surely the vet bills / feeding costs to put them right would negate any profit to be made?

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Patty,

You seem to have missed my question I posted last night...

I also note you said that there were only "2 "poor" horses" amongst the ones seized.

I have noted 4 above, at the time of the raid a skinny chestnut was pictured, paddywhack has posted pics of which the one horse on the left is clearly emaciated and who can forget Disney the emaciated grey and white cob.

Furthermore if on his property JG has 125 live horses and 23 dead that means almost 20% of his stock died on his farm
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I am now leaving this thread after a long and very informative conversation with a certain vet who informed me WHY they don't want anything to do with the Gray's,and the truth about the SO CALLED alleged visits to Spindels Farm.
Some people live in a make believe LaLa land,and will not accept the truth even if it sit on their fat long nose
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Someone just believes her own lies and is a disgrace to the horse world out there......Anyone that supports scum bags like that are a disgrace and I hope that a horse never has the misfortune to be owned by them.
The photos that i posted are very real indeed !!!!!And anyone who has been to the Horse Trust can vote for that,since they will remember the barn !! The donkeys was in a pen to the right as you walked in !
 
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The photos that i posted are very real indeed !!!!!And anyone who has been to the Horse Trust can vote for that,since they will remember the barn !! The donkeys was in a pen to the right as you walked in !

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i can 100% back you up on that.,
 
To the person who just TELEPHONED me regarding my post - my signal went but I can guess why you called. Why would you think it was you I was talking about?
 
Anyone who can leave dead horses laying about is wrong why wasnt the knackerman called to take them away? how can anyone defend such a vile family!
 
Ok, so Mr Gray is innocent. He loves his animals.

So why did he not phone the rspca regarding the state of the animals BEFORE he purchased them? If he got them in that state surely a person with morals would inform the authorities regarding the seller???
 
Excellent link Shoeey, thanks very much! I'm part way through reading it now.

I have edited this post as it contained a question regarding John Parker, one of the defence vets. I have now read further down the court report, in which it was stated that Mr Parker was found to be unwell and that was the reason that his evidence could not be relied upon.
I have thus deleted my earlier question regarding Mr Parker, as if he is/was unwell it was in poor taste.
 
Can I just clarify that I was not defending JG in any way!!
Our 'Oracle MJ/Patty' whatever has told us that JG got them in that state. I was just wondering why he bought them rather than report the seller like 99.999999% of us with morals would have done!
 
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Janet George. There have been several cases where only one animal has been injured or unhealthy, in amongst many healthy ones, which have led to prosecutions by the RSPCA. Vets statements are regularly ignored. The animals are often seized and euthanised immediately.

Anyone who keeps animals should make themselves aware of their rights in respect of the RSPCA.

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Sorry - but I know a GREAT deal about the RSPCA's method of operation (and anyone who knows me knows I am NOT a fan!) However, there are limits to even the RSPCA's 'sins'! IF the RSPCA 'regularly ignored' vets statements - and seized and euthanaised healthy animals immediately they would be sued into the middle of next week. There are plenty of good equine lawyers out there who LEAP at the chance to take-on the RSPCA!

Of course in this case it was not JUST the RSPCA involved - the ILPH, Blue Cross and other responsible and knowledgeable equine welfare charities were ALL there and saw the state of the animals and took many into their care. Which is one of the reasons that James Gray's defenders are talking through their a****!
 
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17th December 2008
Katie Robinson – veterinary surgeon from Baskerville, Hogan and Partners.
The Grays are clients of practice. Visited Spindles Farm before to certify equines fit
for export. She had been called by The RSPCA to assist in the inspection. She was
distressed by observations of compromised animals, conditions of pens and farm
environment etc. Contacts a senior partner R. Baskerville for advice as situation
beyond her experience. “The smell of rotting horse flesh was overpowering… the
animals had obviously been dead for days…..The bedding was sodden and filthy
dirty…KH1 was emaciated and very weak…propped against a water trough…KH3
had paraphimosis-its penis was massively swollen ..blistered and sore with blood
dripping from it and staining its hind legs”
Produces plans, notes , Pro Forma Veterinary Examination forms Exhibits Pros Vet
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Not cross-examined by defence
Patty was not expecting this info i think
 
Mick Wills – knackerman – called to assist in removal of carcasses. Confirmed that
he and colleagues would have been available over Xmas period on 24/7 basis
crawl back under your stone you ..did not expect this did you ?
 
How absolutely horrific. Would hope the Gray's get justice & lose everything, unfortunately they'll crawl out of paying somehow, but at least those horses have been rescued and everyone knows what the family are really like.
 
paddywhack - you & I are clearly from the same neck of the woods!

For those of us unfortunate to live near to JG, it was BEYOND DOUBT that he is guilty. The whole family are a complete nuscence, with his 16 year old son being the worst.

My friend went to Biscester last week to the courts & heard every word.

I can also confirm that Bob is fit & well - still practising as he was at the yard this morning! Just to quash any rumours that he's retiring / not currently practising.

Will be interesting to see how this progresses, particularly regarding the transportation of horses through Dover.....
 
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