Janetterose
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So there were a few people (just a few) who supported Jamie Gray despite all the evidence. Were they "trolls"?
So were the posters who backed Jamie Gray "Trolls" ?
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the watcher
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I never really worked out if they were misguided friends and family, or perhaps put up by the defence legal team to try and prejudice the case
patty19
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NO I'M HERE!!!! STILL SUPPORTING THE INNOCENT JAMIE GRAY AND HIS FAMILY. THIS AINT THE END BY FAR!!!!
Nailed
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lmao
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Lou x
Ellies_mum2
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O dear nothing like 'blind belief' is there
Janetterose
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HOW can you say that with the video evidence? Tell us why you think they are innocent - at least back up what you say with substance rather than just ranting.
BankEndRescue
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You're not MyJack in disguise are you
patty19
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WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?
Janetterose
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I take it you mean Patty - well he/she is a "stranger". Weird that they have come out of the woodwork now! They seem to be the only supporter on-line at the mo - still think they may be a troll. probably looks like one too!!
patty19
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No I'm not in disguise - but yes, I AM indeed MYJACK.
Janetterose
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yuck - you sound like the child-catcher in Chitty Bang Bang! Creepy!!
cariad
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Take Admin's advice - Please Don't Feed The Trolls! - however strongly you feel about the issue. Mr Gray and his family have a legal right of appeal should they wish to use it and they don't need any assistance from the members of this forum.
ghosthooves
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yuck - you sound like the child-catcher in Chitty Bang Bang! Creepy!!
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PMSL!
yuck - you sound like the child-catcher in Chitty Bang Bang! Creepy!!
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PMSL!
patty19
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So if Mr Gray and his family win an appeal - who would then be called the trolls?
The RSPCA needed the public support from day 1.
When I was here before the members wanted to know things I was not able to tell them as a judgement had'nt been made. And now the judgement has been made it seems those members have forgotten all about those questions.
The RSPCA needed the public support from day 1.
When I was here before the members wanted to know things I was not able to tell them as a judgement had'nt been made. And now the judgement has been made it seems those members have forgotten all about those questions.
dozzie
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I havent forgotten! And I hoped you would come back. What can you tell us MJ?
I couldnt go to the court to watch the proceedings as I have to work but, having not been there, I still feel very much in the dark.
I couldnt go to the court to watch the proceedings as I have to work but, having not been there, I still feel very much in the dark.
Gonetofrance
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As ever, MJ spouting she knows something, but not ACTUALLY telling us anything.
Perhaps you could tell us whom you believe to be responsible for the condition of the horses found on the Grays' premisis?
Perhaps you could tell us whom you believe to be responsible for the condition of the horses found on the Grays' premisis?
Tabbi
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Seeing all your posts are about the Grays, I think that speaks for itself! TROLL
Do you really think the Grays were right in their treatment of those poor horses? and I think you would answer yes to that one as you just want to cause an argument on here.
So when you was here before and other members wanted to know things that you were not able to answer as the judgement had not been made.....do you not remember what these questions were? why not answer them now?
The RSPCA will always have the publics support when it comes to such cruelty against animals.
Do you really think the Grays were right in their treatment of those poor horses? and I think you would answer yes to that one as you just want to cause an argument on here.
So when you was here before and other members wanted to know things that you were not able to answer as the judgement had not been made.....do you not remember what these questions were? why not answer them now?
The RSPCA will always have the publics support when it comes to such cruelty against animals.
BankEndRescue
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MyJack/Patty,you always claimed to have evidence to prove the Gray's innocence that you would show us when the trial was over, so how about offering it up now
jacks_mum
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Now a verdict has been passed I too would like to know what makes MyJack/Patty so very sure of the Grey's innocence. Please MJ/P enlighten us. True to your word, you have come back now please stop employing the smoke and mirrors and give us what you have as you promised you would.
If the Grey's weren't responsible - who was?
Why did they fall down in that responsibility?
WHo was responsible for removing the dead?
Why did they fall down in that responsibility?
If they Grey's aren't responsible, why have they 'taken the rap'?
If the Grey's aren't responsible why have they been found guilty?
If the Grey's weren't responsible - who was?
Why did they fall down in that responsibility?
WHo was responsible for removing the dead?
Why did they fall down in that responsibility?
If they Grey's aren't responsible, why have they 'taken the rap'?
If the Grey's aren't responsible why have they been found guilty?
SillySausage
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I'd love to know what you have to say MyJack/Patty, I'm not allowed to say anything more than I saw the horses when they were first removed. NOTHING on the earth can persuade me they were anything BUT neglected and that man deserves everything he gets and more.
patty19
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I havent forgotten! And I hoped you would come back. What can you tell us MJ?
I couldnt go to the court to watch the proceedings as I have to work but, having not been there, I still feel very much in the dark.
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What would you like to know?
I havent forgotten! And I hoped you would come back. What can you tell us MJ?
I couldnt go to the court to watch the proceedings as I have to work but, having not been there, I still feel very much in the dark.
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What would you like to know?
patty19
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As ever, MJ spouting she knows something, but not ACTUALLY telling us anything.
Perhaps you could tell us whom you believe to be responsible for the condition of the horses found on the Grays' premisis?
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What condition are you asking about?
As ever, MJ spouting she knows something, but not ACTUALLY telling us anything.
Perhaps you could tell us whom you believe to be responsible for the condition of the horses found on the Grays' premisis?
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What condition are you asking about?
BankEndRescue
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the EVIDENCE you claimed to have to prove their innocence...not that difficult if you have it surely
patty19
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Seeing all your posts are about the Grays, I think that speaks for itself! TROLL
Do you really think the Grays were right in their treatment of those poor horses? and I think you would answer yes to that one as you just want to cause an argument on here.
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Was there any evidence presented before the court that showed the Grays are guilty of what they have been accused of? If so then I must have missed it - so please enlighten me.
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So when you was here before and other members wanted to know things that you were not able to answer as the judgement had not been made.....do you not remember what these questions were? why not answer them now?
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Fire away.
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The RSPCA will always have the publics support when it comes to such cruelty against animals.
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SUCH cruelty? Please enlighten me of any FACTUAL evidence that was presented to the court that PROVES the Gray family are guilty of animal cruelty?
Seeing all your posts are about the Grays, I think that speaks for itself! TROLL
Do you really think the Grays were right in their treatment of those poor horses? and I think you would answer yes to that one as you just want to cause an argument on here.
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Was there any evidence presented before the court that showed the Grays are guilty of what they have been accused of? If so then I must have missed it - so please enlighten me.
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So when you was here before and other members wanted to know things that you were not able to answer as the judgement had not been made.....do you not remember what these questions were? why not answer them now?
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Fire away.
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The RSPCA will always have the publics support when it comes to such cruelty against animals.
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SUCH cruelty? Please enlighten me of any FACTUAL evidence that was presented to the court that PROVES the Gray family are guilty of animal cruelty?
patty19
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MyJack/Patty,you always claimed to have evidence to prove the Gray's innocence that you would show us when the trial was over, so how about offering it up now
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What would you like to know? Many false accusations have been made about the Gray family.
MyJack/Patty,you always claimed to have evidence to prove the Gray's innocence that you would show us when the trial was over, so how about offering it up now
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What would you like to know? Many false accusations have been made about the Gray family.
BankEndRescue
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Cut to the chase and tell us the whole story. If not sod off and I for one will not be getting drawn into your games again
ginginandtonic
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What would you like to know? Many false accusations have been made about the Gray family.
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There are several questions there already, that you seem to be avoiding answering.
I don't understand your comment about there being no evidence.. the evidence were the dead and mistreated animals in their care, for which they have been found guilty of neglecting... if there were no evidence none of us would know anything about any of this. Answer the questions if you're so adamant the family are innocent. I suggest to you that you can't, or you would have by now.
What would you like to know? Many false accusations have been made about the Gray family.
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There are several questions there already, that you seem to be avoiding answering.
I don't understand your comment about there being no evidence.. the evidence were the dead and mistreated animals in their care, for which they have been found guilty of neglecting... if there were no evidence none of us would know anything about any of this. Answer the questions if you're so adamant the family are innocent. I suggest to you that you can't, or you would have by now.
jhoward
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oh dear lord, MJ you never could answer a question before and it would appear you still cant.
Cliqmo
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The issue here seems to be whether you believe 'neglect' is 'cruel'. It seems that Patty is refuting the Gray's are guilty of animal cruelty (possibly because he didn't physically beat them etc?) However most people on here (myself included)strongly believe that keeping horses confined in an area without enough food and water is cruel, irrelevant of whether he was doing it deliberately or it was neglect.
It is interesting that the Crown Prosecution Service aren't prosecuting this case (hence the RSPCA are) as this indicates the defence info the CPS reviewed means they don't think the case is in the public interest, or that there is not enough evidence to secure a conviction.
Does anyone know if Mr Gray is pleading not guilty to neglect aswell as animal cruelty? The legal distinctions between neglect and cruelty are huge, even if the people on here don't think so.
It is interesting that the Crown Prosecution Service aren't prosecuting this case (hence the RSPCA are) as this indicates the defence info the CPS reviewed means they don't think the case is in the public interest, or that there is not enough evidence to secure a conviction.
Does anyone know if Mr Gray is pleading not guilty to neglect aswell as animal cruelty? The legal distinctions between neglect and cruelty are huge, even if the people on here don't think so.
patty19
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Now a verdict has been passed I too would like to know what makes MyJack/Patty so very sure of the Grey's innocence. Please MJ/P enlighten us. True to your word, you have come back now please stop employing the smoke and mirrors and give us what you have as you promised you would.
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I am always true to my word. Words and statements made by any individual can be suck to their name for the rest of their life.
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If the Grey's weren't responsible - who was?
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That is a broad brush question.
Responsible for what?
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Why did they fall down in that responsibility?
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They?
How did Jamie Gray fall down in his responsibility?
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WHo was responsible for removing the dead? Why did they fall down in that responsibility?
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Jamie Gray senior was responsible for removing the dead.
Between christmas and the 4th of January Jamie gray lost a number of animals, and a donkey which had been inspected by 3 vets, including that of Mr Bob baskerville on the 5th of January, and deemed as perfectly healthy, later died on the 6th of January. . RSPCA officer Miss Claire ryder was in Jamie Grays yard on the 21st of December 2007, and gave evidence in court, that the yard was perfect and she saw no dead animals. There was reports that there were dead animals and remains shrawn and scattered all over the place. Katie Robinson from Bob Baskervills practice was in at Spindles Farm exactly 2 weeks prior to the 4th of January, doing health checks on the animals, to which she later gave health certifificate for each animal. This evidence was was presented to the court.
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If they Grey's aren't responsible, why have they 'taken the rap'?
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The Grays are not responsible of animal cruelty and there was not a shred of evidence presented to the court to say otherwise. They have not taken the rap for anything. The RSPCA only slapped the prosecution notice on the Gray family after they learnt Jamie Gray applied to the court to have his animals returned. Following this, the RSPCA offered TWICE to drop the prosecutions if Jamie Gray would sign the animals over to the RSPCA, to which he declined.
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If the Grey's aren't responsible why have they been found guilty?
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If they Grays are guilty, why were they awarded their animals back on the 4th of April 2008?
The exact same evidence was presented to both Judges.
Why did the RSPCA not face charges for refusing to abide by Judge Sandeep Kainth ruling, to return the animals to Mr Gray 'forthwith'?
Now a verdict has been passed I too would like to know what makes MyJack/Patty so very sure of the Grey's innocence. Please MJ/P enlighten us. True to your word, you have come back now please stop employing the smoke and mirrors and give us what you have as you promised you would.
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I am always true to my word. Words and statements made by any individual can be suck to their name for the rest of their life.
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If the Grey's weren't responsible - who was?
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That is a broad brush question.
Responsible for what?
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Why did they fall down in that responsibility?
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They?
How did Jamie Gray fall down in his responsibility?
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WHo was responsible for removing the dead? Why did they fall down in that responsibility?
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Jamie Gray senior was responsible for removing the dead.
Between christmas and the 4th of January Jamie gray lost a number of animals, and a donkey which had been inspected by 3 vets, including that of Mr Bob baskerville on the 5th of January, and deemed as perfectly healthy, later died on the 6th of January. . RSPCA officer Miss Claire ryder was in Jamie Grays yard on the 21st of December 2007, and gave evidence in court, that the yard was perfect and she saw no dead animals. There was reports that there were dead animals and remains shrawn and scattered all over the place. Katie Robinson from Bob Baskervills practice was in at Spindles Farm exactly 2 weeks prior to the 4th of January, doing health checks on the animals, to which she later gave health certifificate for each animal. This evidence was was presented to the court.
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If they Grey's aren't responsible, why have they 'taken the rap'?
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The Grays are not responsible of animal cruelty and there was not a shred of evidence presented to the court to say otherwise. They have not taken the rap for anything. The RSPCA only slapped the prosecution notice on the Gray family after they learnt Jamie Gray applied to the court to have his animals returned. Following this, the RSPCA offered TWICE to drop the prosecutions if Jamie Gray would sign the animals over to the RSPCA, to which he declined.
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If the Grey's aren't responsible why have they been found guilty?
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If they Grays are guilty, why were they awarded their animals back on the 4th of April 2008?
The exact same evidence was presented to both Judges.
Why did the RSPCA not face charges for refusing to abide by Judge Sandeep Kainth ruling, to return the animals to Mr Gray 'forthwith'?
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