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dozzie, even if you were sitting in Court for every day of the trial, there is no guarantee that you would have been hearing the truth, or knowing for certain what the truth is, by the end of the trial.

Yes, there have been miscarriages of justice in the past of all sorts, where it has transpired that the original evidence could not be absolutely relied upon. In criminal cases some innocent people have been convicted wrongly, and I am sure that some guilty people have cast enough doubt over the original evidence as to make their convictions unsafe.

However this case case conducted firmly in the public eye, with a very expert judge unswayed by the possible emotional ignorance of a jury - the decision was based solely upon the evidence put before the judge.

Some of that evidence was accepted, some was rejected. The prosecution team had no reason or motivation to lie, nothing to be gained by doing so, and the prosecution witnesses were from diverse agencies - the very idea of some kind of conspiracy is ludicrous.

The defence, on the other hand, had every reason to lie, to half lie, to withhold evidence, to try and introduce evidence that was unrelated to the case in order to cast some smoke and mirrors.

You make up your own mind as to whether they did that or not. I know that they were guilty. I don't know that from the press, or from photographs - I know it from seeing horses at first hand connected to JG and I know it from friends and colleagues who were there on the day

As for some of the rescue organisations only having to erect shelter and provide hay - for some of those horses clean shelter, water and readily accessible hay would have been a big step up - and in most cases unless a horse needs urgent medical treatment, they will improve by simply having these essentials provided. They were not being provided before.
 
I think the RSPCA were very selective about what the released to the press. I also think it was wrong to release the pictures before he was found guilty. If the police had been prosecuting I do not believe they would have released the photographs until the case had been concluded and a guilty verdict reached. And rightly so.

I think it was wrong to give the impression that all the horses were emaciated when the vast majority werent through one-sided press releases which were given before facts were ascertained as to how long he had owned the horses, what state they had been in when he had bought them, what care had been given, why the horses had died etc. and headlines such as "The worst case of cruelty ever". This seems to be a popular quote with some RSPCA Inspectors.

Had he been found not guilty, he and his family would have endured months of harassment for no reason due to the way the RSPCA publicised it. And the RSPCA would have known it would happen as it invariably does. IMO it is wrong to do that to anyone before all the facts have been determined. As I said, the police wouldnt do it because they are not allowed to do it.

But the RSPCA do it time and time again.
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There are 2 people in the same corner and that's Patty and Dozzie and I am starting to think that they are a mirror of each other,are they the same person OR are they cooking up together beforehand what to write ? They are sounding like 2 broken records with all the quoting,so Dozzie is now also going on my ignore list .
The photos could not be more FAKE,confirmed from person that was at the raid that these horses were not there at the time,and the person did not recognize the surroundings and is therefor not even sure if they were taken at S.F
I have never been there myself so i would not know.
 
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Were these photos produced in court?

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Yes by the defendants.

The RSPCA could have produced them it they WANTED to because they took exactly the same photos.

A member of the Gray family stood alongside an RSPCA inspector taking the same photos. The court heard that the RSPCA inspector told the defendant that they didnt need to take photos as well because the family would recieve a copy. Good job they did not listen to that inspector because the RSPCA did'nt even produce their own copy to the court. And the defence received no such thing from the RSPCA.
 
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patty, you can bang on and on about this as much as you like - it doesn't change anything. If out of over 100 equines JG happened to have a handful with decent covering that does not excuse the condition of the vast majority

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The vast majority - you mean the handful of photos published in the media?

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- for all we know the ones that look OK may just have been purchased and not yet deeply exposed to his particular brand of 'horse farming'.

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But the thin ones could not possibly have only just been purchased by him?

What is his particular brand of farming?

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You really have been completely hoodwinked by this family

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Im affraid the only people who have been hoodwinked are those who have embraced every lie fed to them. And those who have donated their hard earned money to the "charity"
 
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Were these photos produced in court?

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Yes by the defendants.

The RSPCA could have produced them it they WANTED to because they took exactly the same photos.

A member of the Gray family stood alongside an RSPCA inspector taking the same photos. The court heard that the RSPCA inspector told the defendant that they didnt need to take photos as well because the family would recieve a copy. Good job they did not listen to that inspector because the RSPCA did'nt even produce their own copy to the court. And the defence received no such thing from the RSPCA.

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Were you there at the time the photos were taken? No!

do you know FIRST HAND that the RSPCA took similar photographs? No!

Have you been told by JG and family or their representatives that these photos were taken? Probably - doesn't make it true though.

You can only talk here with any credibility about things that you yourself have seen, anything that you have been told third hand by the defence cannot be judged, by you, by us - and is not relevant or useful.
 
Dozzie said>>And for all we know he had had them for months.

And for all we know he had had the thinner ones for a few weeks.

We dont actually know unless we were in the court.




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dozzie, even if you were sitting in Court for every day of the trial, there is no guarantee that you would have been hearing the truth, or knowing for certain what the truth is, by the end of the trial.

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But apparently YOU know the truth even though you was not there. Funny that!!

Also, Mr Gray produced invoices for his animals. Those invoices had the date, time, place, and seller of those animals - So there's the proof of truth.

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Yes, there have been miscarriages of justice in the past of all sorts, where it has transpired that the original evidence could not be absolutely relied upon. In criminal cases some innocent people have been convicted wrongly, and I am sure that some guilty people have cast enough doubt over the original evidence as to make their convictions unsafe.

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Can you tell me what evidence the RSPCA had to prove Mr Gray is guilty of cruelty and neglect?

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However this case case conducted firmly in the public eye,

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What defence evidence did the RSPCA publish? Or was it an all one sided case that was given to the public from day one?


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with a very expert judge unswayed by the possible emotional ignorance of a jury - the decision was based solely upon the evidence put before the judge.

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There was no jury. And at the case in April 08 that judge was not swayed by the blatant lies of the RSPCA. The Gray family did not need a public outcry to win that case, but the RSPCA needed not only the public outcry but also petitions in order to keep hold of the animals.

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Some of that evidence was accepted, some was rejected. The prosecution team had no reason or motivation to lie, nothing to be gained by doing so,

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Of course not....lol

Please MH do not be so naive.


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and the prosecution witnesses were from diverse agencies - the very idea of some kind of conspiracy is ludicrous.

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OK.

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The defence, on the other hand, had every reason to lie, to half lie, to withhold evidence, to try and introduce evidence that was unrelated to the case in order to cast some smoke and mirrors.

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And you KNOW for a FACT that the defence withheld evidence, tried to introduce evidence that was unrelated to the case in order to cast some smoke and mirrors?

Or is that just all in your mind?......you have been hoodwinked AGAIN.....but this time not by anyone else but your very own self.

Why would they have every reason to lie?

How could they have produced irrefutable evidence refuting the RSPCA's claims?

How comes the prosecution witnesses got pulled apart?

Why did the RSPCA inspector have to re-write her statement in order for it to agree with another prosecution witness?



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You make up your own mind as to whether they did that or not. I know that they were guilty. I don't know that from the press, or from photographs - I know it from seeing horses at first hand connected to JG and I know it from friends and colleagues who were there on the day

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Which animals did you see?

And I dont wish to offend but you have been hoodwinked by your friends and colleagues.

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As for some of the rescue organisations only having to erect shelter and provide hay - for some of those horses clean shelter, water and readily accessible hay would have been a big step up - and in most cases unless a horse needs urgent medical treatment, they will improve by simply having these essentials provided. They were not being provided before.

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If those animals didnt have clean shelter, water and readily accessible hay then I'm pretty sure they would have needed some kind of veterinary treatment. Again, you have been hoodwinked.

And what evidence do you know of, or did the RSPCA have, to prove that Mr Gray did not provide those animals with those essentials?
 
patty - i have lost patience. I can't make up my mind whether you are completely mad, a JG relative or just hate the RSPCA so much you have temporarily lost your reason.

Whichever it is, you are not worth speaking to if you will not concede on any level that at least a number of horses on that farm were suffering and neglected.
 
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There are 2 people in the same corner and that's Patty and Dozzie and I am starting to think that they are a mirror of each other,are they the same person OR are they cooking up together beforehand what to write ?

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More dribble from no other than the dribbler himself. I've got a bib if you're interested.

Hey Dozzie, be prepared for some verbal diarrhea.

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They are sounding like 2 broken records with all the quoting,so Dozzie is now also going on my ignore list .

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I'm sure Dozzie wont lose too much sleep.


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The photos could not be more FAKE,confirmed from person that was at the raid that these horses were not there at the time,and the person did not recognize the surroundings and is therefor not even sure if they were taken at S.F
I have never been there myself so i would not know.

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Take a break PW, speaking so much bull in one message must be extremely tiring for your little brain.
 
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Were you there at the time the photos were taken? No!

do you know FIRST HAND that the RSPCA took similar photographs? No!

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No I was not there when they were taken but I was in the court when the RSPCA did not deny taking the same photos - and I was there when the RSPCA said they would have their copy emailed through to the court. And I was there when the RSPCA identified each of those animals.

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Have you been told by JG and family or their representatives that these photos were taken? Probably - doesn't make it true though.

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I was told by a close contact that they were photos taken by a member of the Gray family - then the RSPCA confimed it in court.

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You can only talk here with any credibility about things that you yourself have seen, anything that you have been told third hand by the defence cannot be judged, by you, by us - and is not relevant or useful.

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Well I was at the trial and heard all the evidence from both sides - and I saw the prosecution witnesses be pulled apart by the defence team. I heard the prosecution witnesses contradict each other and themselves. I saw the prosecution witnesses reading from their note books which contradicted their witness statments. I saw the defence provided irrefutable evidence that refuted the RSPCA claims. I witnessed some of the prosection witnesses suddenly become mute or stutter, or give hilarious answers when they could not answer the simplest of questions which were put to them under cross examination.

The funniest thing of all those answers was from Mr Baskerville when he told the court that a horse always puts it's head in a bucket water when it's going to die. - Even the prosecution team were unable to hold their laughter in.
 
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patty - i have lost patience. I can't make up my mind whether you are completely mad, a JG relative or just hate the RSPCA so much you have temporarily lost your reason.

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Or just may be I am telling the truth?

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Whichever it is, you are not worth speaking to if you will not concede on any level that at least a number of horses on that farm were suffering and neglected.

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So I am not worth speaking to because after seeing the facts, I cannot agree with the majority who have formed their opinions by sucking in one sided reports?

Ok.
 
PMSL!

I cannot possibly be cooking up anything with Patty. I dont cook!
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Everyone knows that!
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Coco pops are my limit! Oh sorry, forgot, I can do toast!
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I dont do "cocopops on toast" though as it would make the toast all soggy.
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I am not too concerned you are ignoring me PW.
 
I love the photo showing the newly sprinkled fresh straw! I'd place my money on that being put down for the photographs, it proves nothing at all and certainly doesn't represent the images shown in the video! We are being led to believe that the shitty pens were just used for dead bodies - lovely, again not the case according to the vets reports. I have worked with one of the vets who gave evidence in the case for several years in the past and I trust 100% that his reporting would be totally fair and honest. I had no idea he was involved until I read the report from the hearing.

In some of the photos of the fatter horses there seem to be an awful lot in close proximity and I believe this was one of the problems cited by the vets and inspectors. Others look ok but clearly have thick coats as you would expect in the middle of winter but the coats look dull and the ribs can be seen through the coats. A photo can never tell the full story - a vets report can.
 
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patty - i have lost patience. I can't make up my mind whether you are completely mad, a JG relative or just hate the RSPCA so much you have temporarily lost your reason.

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Or just may be I am telling the truth?

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Whichever it is, you are not worth speaking to if you will not concede on any level that at least a number of horses on that farm were suffering and neglected.

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So I am not worth speaking to because after seeing the facts, I cannot agree with the majority who have formed their opinions by sucking in one sided reports?

Ok.

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You are entitled to your opinion Patty (and Dozzie). The thing is that the Grays have been found guilty and nothing you can say or do will change it and there are a lot of people with different opinions who are very pleased with the result. Just because you disagree doesn't make you right.
 
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patty - i have lost patience. I can't make up my mind whether you are completely mad, a JG relative or just hate the RSPCA so much you have temporarily lost your reason.

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Or just may be I am telling the truth?

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Whichever it is, you are not worth speaking to if you will not concede on any level that at least a number of horses on that farm were suffering and neglected.

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So I am not worth speaking to because after seeing the facts, I cannot agree with the majority who have formed their opinions by sucking in one sided reports?

Ok.

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You are entitled to your opinion Patty (and Dozzie). The thing is that the Grays have been found guilty and nothing you can say or do will change it and there are a lot of people with different opinions who are very pleased with the result. Just because you disagree doesn't make you right.

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YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD THERE, I AM SO TIRED OF THEM ,I GOT THEM BOTH ON IGNORE NOW BUT I KNOW THAT ALL THEY DO IS QUOTING THE SAME RUBBISH OVER AND OVER AGAIN...I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE QUOTED ME AND I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY SAY,I SUPPORTED THE WINNING SIDE AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS,THEY MUST BE SO SAD,LONELY AND BORED PEOPLE IF ALL THEY CAN DO IS QUOTE PEOPLE ON A NATIONAL FORUM.THEY KNOW CHICKEN SH*T ABOUT J.G AND THE CASE......I GOT A HUBBY AND KIDS AND HORSES AND I PREFER TO PUT MY ENERGY WHERE IT IS NEEDED.....
 
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I love the photo showing the newly sprinkled fresh straw! I'd place my money on that being put down for the photographs,

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Oh yes, I'm sure that when the Gray family saw the RSPCA getting their cameras out the Grays asked the RSPCA to halt for a few moments so they can lay fresh straw for the benefit of the photos....PMSL. The RSPCA took exactly the same photos.
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it proves nothing at all and certainly doesn't represent the images shown in the video!

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And the fiction horror story given alongside the video does not represent those photos.


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We are being led to believe that the shitty pens were just used for dead bodies - lovely, again not the case according to the vets reports. I have worked with one of the vets who gave evidence in the case for several years in the past and I trust 100% that his reporting would be totally fair and honest. I had no idea he was involved until I read the report from the hearing.

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Well maybe you should ask that vet why he gave those animals the body score of 1. If he truely believes the body scores he gave, he has no business being a vet. He desperately needs to go back to school.

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In some of the photos of the fatter horses there seem to be an awful lot in close proximity and I believe this was one of the problems cited by the vets and inspectors. Others look ok but clearly have thick coats as you would expect in the middle of winter but the coats look dull and the ribs can be seen through the coats. A photo can never tell the full story - a vets report can.

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Please show me ribs in those photos. And while you are at it may be you could point out which animals you would believe to have a body score of one. Cheers.
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I'll certainly agree that a photo can never tell the full story. Unfortunately any story can be given to unsuspecting people when that story comes with photos which were in the press.

It's a shame that people just embrace any old crap because it's given by an organization that most people dont suspect would lie.
 
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YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD THERE, I AM SO TIRED OF THEM ,I GOT THEM BOTH ON IGNORE NOW

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Aww PW you break my heart.
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BUT I KNOW THAT ALL THEY DO IS QUOTING THE SAME RUBBISH OVER AND OVER AGAIN

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But however, it's the TRUTH.
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...I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE QUOTED ME AND I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY SAY

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And we're supposed to care for what YOU say? Dont flatter yourself PW.
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,I SUPPORTED THE WINNING SIDE AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS,THEY MUST BE SO SAD,LONELY AND BORED PEOPLE IF ALL THEY CAN DO IS QUOTE PEOPLE ON A NATIONAL FORUM.

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Yer, and now we're saddened even more because you have us on ignore.
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THEY KNOW CHICKEN SH*T ABOUT J.G AND THE CASE......

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If you say so PW.
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I GOT A HUBBY AND KIDS AND HORSES AND I PREFER TO PUT MY ENERGY WHERE IT IS NEEDED.....

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Then I suggest you put your enegy into them instead of coming here with your verbal diarrhea.
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Well maybe you should ask that vet why he gave those animals the body score of 1. If he truely believes the body scores he gave, he has no business being a vet. He desperately needs to go back to school.



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I'd believe him over you any day and I trust him 100% you should be careful about making potentially defamatory comments. JG has been proved guilty, the vets have not.

The picture of the fresh fluffy straw could have been taken at any time and place. There is nothing even to show where it is.

Sorry but too me that many dead horses, too many excuses as to why they had not been disposed of, burning and decomposing bodies on the premises. There are no excuses. You clearly think keeping numerous dead horses for days around livestock is acceptable, I think it is irresponsible and putting the other horses at risk of disease.

BTW you never answered my questions about whether postmortems were carried out when the first horses died and what the PM showed. Did he allow 20+ horses to die without requesting a formal postmortem on any of them?

Why would the knackerman lie about being available? What proof was there that he was supposedly not available to remove the bodies over the preiod?

If no PMs were carried out then why not and if JG knew the cause of death as encysted redworms were all the remaining horses treated as a preventative measure?
 
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Were you there at the time the photos were taken? No!

do you know FIRST HAND that the RSPCA took similar photographs? No!

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No I was not there when they were taken but I was in the court when the RSPCA did not deny taking the same photos - and I was there when the RSPCA said they would have their copy emailed through to the court. And I was there when the RSPCA identified each of those animals.

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Have you been told by JG and family or their representatives that these photos were taken? Probably - doesn't make it true though.

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I was told by a close contact that they were photos taken by a member of the Gray family - then the RSPCA confimed it in court.

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You can only talk here with any credibility about things that you yourself have seen, anything that you have been told third hand by the defence cannot be judged, by you, by us - and is not relevant or useful.

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Well I was at the trial and heard all the evidence from both sides - and I saw the prosecution witnesses be pulled apart by the defence team. I heard the prosecution witnesses contradict each other and themselves. I saw the prosecution witnesses reading from their note books which contradicted their witness statments. I saw the defence provided irrefutable evidence that refuted the RSPCA claims. I witnessed some of the prosection witnesses suddenly become mute or stutter, or give hilarious answers when they could not answer the simplest of questions which were put to them under cross examination.

The funniest thing of all those answers was from Mr Baskerville when he told the court that a horse always puts it's head in a bucket water when it's going to die. - Even the prosecution team were unable to hold their laughter in.

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Have been following this thread but haven't posted yet but if the prosecution witnesses were pulled apart by the defence team, the prosecution witnesses contradicting each other / reading from note books, stutter, etc, etc (won't quote again) why did the judge find JG guilty? Surely if it was that bad then he wouldn't have given that outcome? Someone said previously that RSPCA, vets, knackerman, etc were all in on it but surely not the judge??
 
Also, how can you explain "that" video? the urine and faeces on the floor of the barn, the emaciated horses, the dead horses which had been there for a long time (you can't say they haven't when you can see the decomposition on the field). Why were some horses in conditions with clean, fresh straw and others not?

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Not just them but the trading standards, redwings, horsetrust, WHW etc etc all who were involved must have been in on this conspiracy as evidence of each of the horses will have continued to have been gathered at the various locations the horses went to. Plus trading standards were there from the beginning!!

mmm Patty do you believe in alien abduction and that 9/11 was an inside job??????!!!!!!!!
 
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I'd believe him over you any day

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No problem. Thats your choice and your right.


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and I trust him 100% you should be careful about making potentially defamatory comments. JG has been proved guilty, the vets have not.

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Maybe you should direct him to this forum.

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The picture of the fresh fluffy straw could have been taken at any time and place.

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True - but they were taken at SF. The RSPCA knew that too when they identified them in court. Other prosecution witnesses were questioned on the photos too. There was no dispute what so ever as to what animals they were and where those photos were taken.

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True - but if you had been in court you would have heard the prosecution witnesses give evidence concerning those animals in those photos and the bedding.

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Sorry but too me that many dead horses, too many excuses as to why they had not been disposed of, burning and decomposing bodies on the premises. There are no excuses. You clearly think keeping numerous dead horses for days around livestock is acceptable, I think it is irresponsible and putting the other horses at risk of disease.

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Again, this is where you are trusting the reports. The was no evidence to prove that JG left his fallen animals among the living.

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BTW you never answered my questions about whether postmortems were carried out when the first horses died and what the PM showed.

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There was only 3 postmortems carried out under the instruction of the RSPCA. They were done on the back of a knacker lorry and if I remember rightly, John Parker criticized the fact that the gut walls of those animals were not cut into. He also criticized the postmortems being carried out on the back of a lorry instead of in a proper place on a clean surface.


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Did he allow 20+ horses to die without requesting a formal postmortem on any of them?

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Well some of them were pets that he had lost over a number of years so I'm not sure, but I didnt hear any evidence that he had any postmortems carried out.

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Why would the knackerman lie about being available?

What proof was there that he was supposedly not available to remove the bodies over the preiod?

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Maybe you should have been in the court. The RSPCA and JG used the same knacker man.

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If no PMs were carried out then why not and if JG knew the cause of death as encysted redworms were all the remaining horses treated as a preventative measure?

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I dont know why no PM's were carried out and JG did NOT know his animals had encysted redworm.
 
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Have been following this thread but haven't posted yet but if the prosecution witnesses were pulled apart by the defence team, the prosecution witnesses contradicting each other / reading from note books, stutter, etc, etc (won't quote again) why did the judge find JG guilty? Surely if it was that bad then he wouldn't have given that outcome? Someone said previously that RSPCA, vets, knackerman, etc were all in on it but surely not the judge??

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Good question......After witnessing all I witnessed in that court room, not for the life of me can I think of a single reason why they got a guilty verdict. As much as I try I just cannot answer that question.
 
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Also, how can you explain "that" video? the urine and faeces on the floor of the barn, the emaciated horses, the dead horses which had been there for a long time (you can't say they haven't when you can see the decomposition on the field). Why were some horses in conditions with clean, fresh straw and others not?

Thank you.

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I have been accused by other posters of repeating myself - to which they are correct. I have only been repeating myself because people keep asking the same questions over and over again. If you look through this thread you'll find the answers to your questions.
 
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In fact the media did show a few perfectly satisfactorily covered ponies. You should have balanced yours out with a few thin ones
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All the thinnest horses were shown by the media.

Why is it you people only want to see thin animals?
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If and when I receive photos of the thinnest animals I will post them - not sure you'll come accross anything new because the public have seen them already.
 
So this horse trader who you say wouldn't buy horses and not feed them as it would be bad for his business was happy for horses to die and not find out what they had died of and then leave the bodies lying around the yards. Surely a responsible trader would want to prevent further deaths. If JG did not know the cause of death I would suggest he was negligent in not having post mortems carried out as soon as the horses died and removing the bodies straight away. You have no proof that the dead animals were not among the living the reports say they were - I believe the reports.

Post mortems are not sterile procedures. I regularly saw them carried out in the back of the knackers lorry when I worked in the equine hospital. With the number of bodies even carrying them out at the abbatoir would be difficult due to the space needed. Criticising this when the bodies have been lying for days or months is ridiculous!

The fact that JG and the RSPCA use the same knackerman is irrelevant and does not prove he was not available.

It seems odd that you are criticising the people who kicked a dog to death instantly yet defending this man who allowed horses to suffer and die on his property and yes in my mind they did suffer ( the horse with the genital injury, the horses with severe diarrhoea, the eye infections) JG states he did not think they were suffering - ignorance is no defence. I bet he would think differently if it were his own genitals affected!

I hope he is never allowed to own another animal.
 
Patty can you tell me is it your belief that horse KH15 in the video was moved into the pen full of old, wet horse muck specifically for the purposes of the RSPCA video to make JG look bad or was the horse (the one suffering with severe diarrhoea) living in those conditions? If you think it was moved, what proof do you have?
 
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