teapot
Well-Known Member
Basic entry limits makes sense.
I can see why people are wondering what GOBE gets you if for any over-subscribed event, you're never going to get a run.
GoBE looks like unaffiliated to me if no membership and no points?
Basic entry limits makes sense.
I can see why people are wondering what GOBE gets you if for any over-subscribed event, you're never going to get a run.
It gets you nothing.
But then if you want something it’s only fair you pay! And the reality is, it will only be a small number of events that are oversubscribed.
The problem is that people are already paying a lot of money to do a GO BE, they are paying! And you can get a guaranteed run, rosette, prize money and championship for less if you go UA.
Clarify a lot of money? They pay I think £30 registration for Go Be , correct me if I’m wrong and that lasts the whole year. Historically only the early events get over subscribed so there will still be a lot of opportunities in the summer to enter and run.The problem is that people are already paying a lot of money to do a GO BE, they are paying! And you can get a guaranteed run, rosette, prize money and championship for less if you go UA.
Clarify a lot of money? They pay I think £30 registration for Go Be , correct me if I’m wrong and that lasts the whole year.
Imo not a lot of money
Wow , definitely more attractive imo than unaffiliated. Then do people realise if you get balloted out you do get your money back , because how have they in that case already spent a lot of money .GoBE membership is free and the entry fee is less than a normal section at the equivalent level
Clarify a lot of money? They pay I think £30 registration for Go Be , correct me if I’m wrong and that lasts the whole year. Historically only the early events get over subscribed so there will still be a lot of opportunities in the summer to enter and run.
Imo not a lot of money
Unaffiliated does not cost much less though and all the above is returned if you get balloted out. And unlike affiliated you can guarantee a standard and length of course.Free membership (There is a £10 run fee payable to BE for non-members to compete in GO BE classes - copy and paste from BE website)
Then an entry fee and start fee which seems to vary between events?
GoBE90 at Goring Heath - £76.38 and £15 start fee
GoBE90 at Bovington - £63.79 and £14.54 start fee
GoBE100 at Oxstalls - £76.55 and £17 start fee
GoBE100 at Solihull - £63.79 and £14.54 start fee
Unaffiliated does not cost much less though and all the above is returned if you grt bslloted out
Unaffiliated does not cost much less though and all the above is returned if you get balloted out. And unlike affiliated you can guarantee a standard and length of course.
Additionally affiliated I have always won quite good prizes
Cotswold Cup entires are £70+ are they not?
Go have a look! You might be surprised
But are there many UA running early season?I think the issue is that we know early season ballots but this sort of scenario is then going to push people over to unaffiliated where they know if they enter early they will get a run rather than risking being balloted out and not then going to be able to get into any UA running at a similar time. So later in the season where 'top up' riders are needed to make things viable they will have already written GOBE off.
didn't thorseby do first come first served no ballot (given the consternation about the day/time it was chosen for entries to open)?
But the entire point is that BE wants to get people to move from UA to BE. Most of the riders at UA just want a good day out, they don’t give two hoots if x international rider has enough runs.We are back to the pyramid.
As you go up the pyramid the opportunities to get a run at the level are fewer and further apart. Therefore those events take priority or the horses would never get qualified. There are so many GR courses/venues so whilst annoying if you get balloted there are always other options.
A guaranteed standard and length of course, guaranteed safety standards and clear rules . Trained officials , medical backup both for horse and rider and the backup of British eventing as a governing body. And probably a lot more I am either unaware of or forgotten.i really don’t see what advantages BE membership or GoBE has for the member/person at the low levels?
Apart from the back up from BE, most UA events have all of the above.A guaranteed standard and length of course, guaranteed safety standards and clear rules . Trained officials , medical backup both for horse and rider and the backup of British eventing as a governing body. And probably a lot more I am either unaware of or forgotten.
I have been to shocking UA events in my time , flimsy jumps of varying dimensions and unfixed, poor organisation, short rock hard courses.Apart from the back up from BE, most UA events have all of the above.
medical cover for horse and rider is essential otherwise the event wont be able to get insurance.
heck last time i organised a show we couldn’t even get insurance for inhand showing without proper human medical services on site (not just someone with a first aid certificate) and a vet on call.
The training for BE fence judges (so officials) seems somewhat lacking from what a lot of people have said.
But they aren’t paying into the full BE infrastructure as they aren’t paying members. So they should IMO only be getting a run if there is space. And I completely appreciate that means unaff is more attractive to a lot of the market. You pay your money you take your choice. BUT I 100% support the concept of GOBE - it makes complete sense to me that if an event has capacity that they should be able to offer what is essentially an unaff slot, and ‘we’ as in BE members should support and welcome those competitors that do want to enter
You are literally making my argument for me! Real members are far more important but we will promote GOBE, take your money and if there is enough space, you can take part too…..
Or the other hand, you can enter UA, where you are equal to anyone else competing.
GOBE was set up to encourage newbies into the sport. I don’t think it’s successful at doing that. If it was sort of a Last.Minute.Com - pay a cheaper fee to take up spare spaces at late notice , then fine. But that is not how it’s being marketed.
But you calling a spade a spade just backs up AE’s argument that for low level riders UA gives more choice, certainty of a run and doesn’t treat them as an pleb.Im not making any argument other than calling a spade a spade AE. It is what it is! Don’t blumming enter it and go unaff if that’s what you prefer AE. I’m out.
I might even start using UI for a bit.
But that is what BE are trying to make it. The restrictions on venues running BE and UA makes that plain.GOBE will never replace unaff I agree.
It's interesting because the feelings and opinions on here are fairly clearly split between those competing at GR and those competing above. We all love the same sport and yet the views and opinions are so completely polarized.