Socialisation is so important!

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This is a bit of a pointless post, but think there are some lessons to be learned.
I do homechecks for a gsd rescue, but had a call last week asking me if I would assess a dog that was being handed into rescue as they had no one else in my area. I agreed, and was then emailed the paperwork, which basically stated that the dog was aggressive with people, children dogs and cats. She would be muzzled when I met her but would I see if she would go for a short walk with me. :eek: I was very tempted to say forget it, and suggest the best thing for this dog was to pts, however I decided to go.

Owners advised me to stay in the car while they brought the dog out and then "meet" them walking along the lane. They emerged with a very pretty bitch, barking and lunging on her hindlegs, even though there was no one about! I walked within about 15 ft of her (whilst owner struggled to hold her and stroked her constantly, totally the wrong thing to do), and then stood talking for a bit. I then realised that her tail was wagging and no hackles were raised, so asked them to bring her nearer, and crouched down to her level, waiting for my face to be removed. She came up to me, sniffed my legs and then leaned against me and enjoyed a back scratch. Within a few minutes I was able to get the owners to remove the muzzle and this little bitch walked happily along the road with me, tail wagging, and jumped up a couple of times for a fuss.
They got her from the breeder at 6 months, and since then she has never seen people, because she barked at people they decided the best thing to do was make sure she never met anyone! They had (sensibly in a way I suppose) said she was aggressive with people, children etc because they didn't know how she would be and didn't want anyone being bitten.
In all fairness they love the bitch and have trained her a bit, just never taken her in public, and they do have a genuine reason for rehoming. So at least i was able to report back that in the right hands I thought she would make a cracking little bitch. She is going into rescue kennels tomorrow and I do hope she soon finds a home, if I hadn't had my girls I would have been tempted, she just needs a chance.
So a few lessons:
a) it is desperately important to socialise dogs,
b) you should never make a snap judgement about a dog just from a written report
and c) I am not cut out for dog assessing as I want to keep them all (which I knew would be the case which is why I didn't volunteer for it:p)

Cayla, if you read this, would be interested on your thoughts as to how best to socialise this girl.
 
Whole heartedly agree.

It really can ruin some dogs.

For example Abe. He spent the first 16 months of this life at the bottom of someones garden in a pen the only person he saw was the person who came to throw food over the gate.
He was terrified of everyone and everything.

I couldn't get him in the house and when i did i couldn't get him out. It took us 6 weeks to get to the end of the street but with some socialization (which can be done as an adult) he's the life of the party now. We took him to a busy street fair yesterday and he was in his element with people fussing over him. 8 months ago he would have bitten them out of fear.
 
c) I am not cut out for dog assessing as I want to keep them all (which I knew would be the case which is why I didn't volunteer for it:p)

:D

Agree totally on your first point, would have saved me several months of struggle and heartache if Dax had been properly socialised (though in my admittedly limited experience it was loads easier to get her used to people, rather than dogs, so fingers crossed it will be easier for this bitch too).

GSDR have a husky cross in at the moment, their rehoming policy still rankles. :p
 
They seem to have relaxed their rehoming policy recently. I was asked to do a home check last week for a couple who both worked full time , although husband did work shifts, they planned to leave a dog in a great kennel and run they had built in the garden for a max of 5 hours. Person who asked me to do the check said she knew it was against policy but they had realised they had to be flexible to get the right homes.:D
 
I have the opposite problem in that I'm home all day but don't have the garden. In desperation we went to see a house to rent last week, £100 above our max budget (:eek:) but it wasn't on mains gas, there was no heating beyond a log burner in the living room and just an LPG cooker. It was all a bit grim, the currant tenant's bills were extortionate. Oh, and no broadband! If that's the price of having a (large but not adequately fenced) garden, I ain't paying it.

I was grilled over the phone last week for nearly an hour by a nice lady from SHCGB welfare and they are at least prepared to come and home check us so fingers crossed. :)
 
To me there is nothing more frustrating than this, a bitch which has indeed had no socialisation and no chance to get any, passed on to what seems like inexperienced and non confidnt owners have sent the poor dog backwards, they have mistuck her frustration for aggression, easy to do when you have no knowledge of behaviour or even the breed you are dealing with.
We get dogs handed in like this and we simply look at one another baffled.
She now needs a confident handler to help her flourish and give her all the interaction she needs around other experienced folk if thats what it takes and definately some confident dogs.
I have rarely ever come across a truely aggressive shepherd but I have certainly come across alot of miunderstood ones. It's a case of don't judge the book by it' cover and expect a raging beast just because it may look like one:rolleyes:
From what you describe she sounds like a very ott excitable girl that needs her energy channeling and a chance to get out there in the big wide world and get some good life experience.
If she where with me, she would be shadowing me and my mutts everywhere I go and she would not be restricted in any way and the muzzle would be a gonner.
I think the key to her future is a confident handler and definately an experienced handler.
 
Hugely agree- Dex used to do exactly as you say to anything he had not seen before- and still does to certain dogs- if he had been socialised properly, and had an experienced owner he would have been much easier when he first came to me. Not the 4 stone 18 month old "puppy" he is now.

Luckily Im not afraid to ask for the massive amount of help I have and continue to need (being inexperienced in the dog owning department, excpet "family" dogs)./

Good to hear she will be given a chance though!
 
Because of this issue my daughter has said can we have a puppy next time.

2 of my 4 dobes that I have owned have/had not been socialised when I took them on at 18months old. They had no lead skills and definately no manners. Its getting easier as I get more experienced but I always took them to dog training and sought help when needed. There were times I was reduced to tears by Fred and often thought Id taken on more than I could chew. All of this could have been avoided if they had been properly socialised so I would say this is the most important thing you can do for your dog.

Dog rescues are full of these dogs who have got too much for their owners so I think breeders should be more careful who they sell to and should offer advice so they dont become another statistic.
 
We've just started to do the rounds of everyone who got one of my sisters accidental puppies, its great fun for them and we get to talk about all the funny things they get up to. With my sadly departed bullie, we took him everywhere with us, and he really enjoyed Friday night at the pub getting lots of fuss and pork scratchings under the table when I wasnt looking- and one lady who spent three hours trying to teach him paw even though i'd said he would sit and lie down on command but he was deaf and i'd been trying for two years without sucess!
 
Don't want another do you Cayla, sure you could sort her out! :p
I just hope someone comes along who knows what they are doing and gives her a chance, she is nearly 3 so although there is a lot of ingrained behaviour there she also has a good life ahead of her to enjoy.
 
I very nearly cocked up B the same way, he had never been off the farm at six months, then I didn't really do much with him until 12 months, and BANG! I was surprised when I had a total thug on the end of the lead - he was just going WOW! HEY! WHAT? but when your his size and strength, it looks scary.

Of course, you could go the other way - before Floofy came to me, and because D had a lot of issues with his last dog, everyone who got a pup from the litter was ordered to take the pup in their arms to the train station, to the town centre, etc etc etc...D took his to a school at closing time/3pm bell and invited little kids to come and stroke/fuss over the puppy - he didn't realise why (if you remember how big and tall and beardy he is :p) this wasn't really appropriate for a single man!!!!

They seem a bit scared of her/her reactions. Unless they get over that, they'll never progress.
 
I remember a lady having a pup from me who said she used to take the pup to her local primary school at going home time (she didn't have kids there) until everyone started giving her funny looks. Sad what the world has become isn't it.
The owners were very scared of her reactions you are right CC, but they are unable to keep her, she was going into kennels today.:( Unfortunately not a specialist shep kennel, but apparently a volunteer is going to go in and walk her etc, hopefully a kennel environment will get her used to other dogs not blow her mind completely. I did find out her breeders, though not her actual breeding but have an idea of her lines.
 
And socialisation needs to start with the breeder, the 1st socialisation period is 3 - 12 weeks, so you need to find a good breeder that has started that socialisation as well as put the work in yourself.
 
It just beggars belief why some people get dogs in the first place.

Years and years ago my aunt and uncle got a cocker spaniel from a puppy farm and kept it indoors in an appartment for 18 months so that 'it wouldn't catch cold'. It turned into the most insane dog I have ever come across. Through-out its life it bit countless people including its owners and even seemed to provoke situations where it would bite you, e.g. it would come up to you looking all relaxed, show you its tummy for a rub but bite you as soon as you touched it.
 
Don't want another do you Cayla, sure you could sort her out! :p
I just hope someone comes along who knows what they are doing and gives her a chance, she is nearly 3 so although there is a lot of ingrained behaviour there she also has a good life ahead of her to enjoy.

Did she go to GSD rescue or just random kennels?
 
They are a boarding kennel that the GSD rescue use, I am not sure if they do any assessment or training of the dogs that are there or are purely a boarding facility.
 
They said she played with toys, but I was unable to see her reaction to them myself. As to working, maybe but would be a very long job I suspect to get her confidence. I am going to try and find out what her behaviour is like after a few days in the kennels, she may present as a totally different dog away from her owners.
 
Would she work? Any ball drive? Or too far gone for that?

This too ^^^ we can get them into the prison/police force pretty easily with a bit of ball drive, infact they phon us often pleading for newbies.
Keep us updated, obs the kennels are not going to be great for an already frustrated non socialised guarding breed but it a stop gap and life saving must.
 
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This too ^^^ we can get them int the prison/police force pretty easily with a bit of ball drive, infact they phone us often pleading for newbies.
Keep us updated, obs the kennesl are not going to be great for an already frustrated non socialised guarding breed but it a stop gap and life saving must.
We just had a call tonight "can u take my rotti x Gsd, I bought it from Gumtree and it's bit me" :rolleyes:

Me mam...."gum what":D:D she has looked at it tonight for 1st time, she is seething......not good for your blood pressure that place.:rolleyes:
 
They offered her to the police but she is apparently too old at 3. :( I have asked to be kept updated on her situation so yes will keep you informed.
Tell your mum to stay away from gumtree, it's not at all good for the blood pressure.:mad:
 
They offered her to the police but she is apparently too old at 3. :( I have asked to be kept updated on her situation so yes will keep you informed.
Tell your mum to stay away from gumtree, it's not at all good for the blood pressure.:mad:


Too old:eek: they snap ours up at that age, I would see if she is ball orientated still and let me know, if our police/prison are that desperate (usually are) they will travel to see her im sure.
If there are any problems rehoming her keep me updated:)
 
I'm not 100% convinced that Henry was that well socialised with dogs, he is not nasty but he just wants to play with everything he meets, regardless of how unamused they look:rolleyes: Or he might just be a hooligan spangle of course:D

I will probably get a puppy next time and it will be out and about with me, in a gamebag until it's had its jabs, from the start - adults, children, cats, horses, dogs, bunnies - it will see the lot!
 
I wonder if owners were telling porkies about that. Having said that I seem to recall that our local force like them under 2. I will suggest police again to rescue, and will def keep you updated, thanks Cayla.
 
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