Sold horse new owner trouble

Can you take a video and or photos this weekend to help you have an accurate record of the condition he has been returned in. Make sure you have date on the screen or on digital info.

Hopefully you have some pictures of him before he was sold, and as others have said keep the messages, they sent you.

If you take legal advice do use sdpeciaslist equine firm.
 
They are the best equine vets here hence why so busy. I did try another very good equine vet he's in Ireland at the moment. I am not very happy with vets who do small animals as well as horses. I think I need proper equine vet
 
They tried that already, they said maybe he done something in the trailer or in stable over night. They had been swearing and shouting on the phone.
 
Misha said:
They tried that already, they said maybe he done something in the trailer or in stable over night. They had been swearing and shouting on the phone.
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I think that there is something very suspicious about this whole thing. The fact that they did not register change in ownership for 4 weeks is suspicious, as well as conveniently dropping him off when you have a clinic. They knew they could blackmail you with your reputation; this is the cost of doing business.

I would keep him box rested/small pen turnout until the vet arrives/take him to the vet. He could have done something like a tendon being bashed about and then started rearing in protest. I hope that he comes sound, what an awful situation for a youngster especially as it sounds as though you have been so careful with him. Perhaps in future you should try to get some more info on a buyer / enter in a sale contract which says that if they wish to return the horse within the first 4 weeks they agree that you will deduct the pirce of a 5 stage vetting up to the amount of £x and deduct £100 per week up to £400 from the refund (to cover the "use" of the horse in that time) or take the horse back to sell on as agent (and set out what commission (if any)/keep fees will apply). Then everyone knows where they stand.

Such a shame - viewer no. 2 could have been a lovely person who would have loved the horse.
 
Glad he is back home with you, they sound like a nightmare I hope you are successful in getting some justice for the way both you and the horse have been treated.

I am amazed an instructor has behaved in this manner, as you say the horse world is small, and his/her reputation is also on the line if you find the horse has been pushed too far too soon and tell others of your experience.

I am sure you will get him right and in a good home soon.
 
Sorry I'm really confused, is this the horse you brought that after a 5 stage vetting came back to your yard and went lame and you didn't think it should have gone lame with "light use" after 4 weeks, or a completely different horse (thread in veterinary and hoof care)? You thought that horse may have been doped, and really the buyer thought the same thing with your sold horse. I'm sorry the horse is lame and I hope you get it sorted. I know you only want to use an equine vet but just for the sake of a vetting so as you have some legal comeback for vet costs etc I'd be getting horse seen to asap. Seems like a real run of bad luck OP.
 
CBAnglo said:
I think that there is something very suspicious about this whole thing. The fact that they did not register change in ownership for 4 weeks is suspicious, as well as conveniently dropping him off when you have a clinic. They knew they could blackmail you with your reputation; this is the cost of doing business.
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I think we can pretty much say the people have wrecked the horse and are completely horrific, no matter how many "references" you get, they can all be useless unless it is someone you know personally.
OP is not a dealer as such, just brings a few on, and I expect she won't be doing that again in a hurry.
I think that the BHS legal line will advise, but she took the horse back and they have the money........ its not good..................
I would be interested to know, I got my horse back in poor condition, and I would love to get my expenses and the deposit back if only to make it clear that people can't just do what they like and disregard legal agreements at a whim.
 
OP i cant add any more than others said esp photos. But i want to give you a hug. You obviously cared and still do for horse. please document and photo horse. write everything down now while fresh in brain. state horse in when brought back,phone calls etc everything. I hope you can turn poor animal around hun )))) hug (((( x
 
No that was 4 yo gelding I still have and he has been seen by vet + physio they think he may of got cast in stable and had bit of muscle damage. He is ok now, starting work slowly. He had some ultrasound treatment and physio left magnet here to use 2 x a day. So yes I am too guilty of accusing ( or thinking) that he may of sold me lame horse. And just before somebody start asking why am buying one and selling other... This 4 yo is 17 hands weight carrier for a gentleman to go hunting, where this chap who just come back to me is 16 hand fine horse
 
MrsD123 said:
OP is not a dealer as such, just brings a few on, and I expect she won't be doing that again in a hurry.
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Regardless of whether OP is a dealer, she is an "equine professional" - not sure I would send my horse for schooling/selling to someone who had a reputation (whether justified or not) for selling broken horses.

ETS: this is why it is easier to blackmail OP with reputational damage - no suggestion from me that the OP had sold a broken horse!
 
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where abouts are you op....maybe some people might know of the instructor, of have a google or browse on local fb groups to see if anything comes up, same with the people who had him.

hope he is okay.
 
Have followed this thread for the last few days.

Am I understanding this right, they turned up at night with the horse in the trailer unexpectedly and you gave them a full refund.

Have to ask why and how?:confused:
Did you have the cash on you? A bank draft?

And the horse is lame but no vet can see him at all for a few days?
 
CBAnglo said:
Regardless of whether OP is a dealer, she is an "equine professional" - not sure I would send my horse for schooling/selling to someone who had a reputation (whether justified or not) for selling broken horses.

ETS: this is why it is easier to blackmail OP with reputational damage - no suggestion from me that the OP had sold a broken horse!
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She does not want a reputation for being a soft touch, after all the purchasers did not allow access to the horse which is unreasonable and returned it broken, something not mentioned, and then started swearing and abusing her........ they deserve to be outed so that other people don't fall for this.
 
I have bought and sold a few. I had a selling mishap earlier this year when one suffered injury in their trailer when they picked her up and was PTS. Had the whole wanted money back thing etc. PM me if you like. I would not want to take the horse back. I would offer to go and sit on it and give them a lesson and some help
 
CBAnglo said:
I think that there is something very suspicious about this whole thing. The fact that they did not register change in ownership for 4 weeks is suspicious, as well as conveniently dropping him off when you have a clinic. They knew they could blackmail you with your reputation; this is the cost of doing business.

I would keep him box rested/small pen turnout until the vet arrives/take him to the vet. He could have done something like a tendon being bashed about and then started rearing in protest. I hope that he comes sound, what an awful situation for a youngster especially as it sounds as though you have been so careful with him. Perhaps in future you should try to get some more info on a buyer / enter in a sale contract which says that if they wish to return the horse within the first 4 weeks they agree that you will deduct the pirce of a 5 stage vetting up to the amount of £x and deduct £100 per week up to £400 from the refund (to cover the "use" of the horse in that time) or take the horse back to sell on as agent (and set out what commission (if any)/keep fees will apply). Then everyone knows where they stand.

Such a shame - viewer no. 2 could have been a lovely person who would have loved the horse.
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To add ive never changed a horses ownership to me!
 
Giving them their money back in the circumstances you describe is catastrophic. Not getting a vet to attend that night before they left at their expense, further weakens your position.
 
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