Some good news and some potentially bad news...

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Ive been waiting for a few weeks to annouce this, but you may remember my Inuit, Dante, had severe separation anxiety. Well, we took a gamble and got an 18 month old Alaskan malamte bitch, Amber, and it paid off. No more eating my house, no more whining when Im out of view, doesnt follow me etc etc. Thats the good news

Anyway, we got her on saturday and she fell into season on the wednesday (i wanted to get her spayed and we didnt know she was due her season so early, Dante couldnt be neatured earlier as one of his testicles hadnt dropped, now it has, my vet still didnt want to neatur him until he was 1 year old., he's 7½ months old now)

I have been watching them like a hawk. She's day 15 now, but I havent let them out my sight, even if Ive popped upstairs for 2 seconds I separate them. He is crated when I go out (he has also stopped messing too which is a big step for him). They are also seperated at night, basically were only together when supervised. I was trying so hard to be a responsible dog owner.

I came home from my mums the other night to find my husband had 'forgotton' to watch them and they had been in the garden for an hour alone, my neighbour says she's 80% sure he may of got her (mounted, willy out alot etc, no tying though)

Now Im worried she's pregnant. The last couple of days there;s been no mounting and they have lost interest (although it was her with the interest not him, she kept mounting him)

Please please do not jump on me, I know it was very irresponsible of my husband and we have had one mega row about it. I never wanted to bring an unwanted litter into this already overpopulated dog world, that is why we got Amber from a rescue as we wanted to save an unwanted dog.

How can I tell if she is pregnant? When is the earliest I can tell? I have heard about aborting pups and spaying at the same time, but Im not sure on this as my views on abortions in humans are very strong.

Im stressing about this so much I cant sleep at night. Im trying not to worry as I have only just got over a second bout of post-natal depression.

God its almost making me cry writing this as Im so worried everything will think Im a really bad owner. :-(
 
It's hard not to pass comment when you seem to dig yourself into deeper and deeper holes with every step!

Why don't you taker her to be spayed right now? Which is worse, the fact that you don't agree with abortion etc etc or having potentially 8 or so pups to rear and find homes for at a time when you're trying to calm things down and get over depression? Seems like a no-brainer to me but it needs doing NOW.
 
Take her to the vets & he can give an injection to prevent a pregnancy developing.
I find it very worrying that a rescue gave you an un nuetered bitch, knowing you have an entire male.
Whatever your views on abortion in the human species....this is a Dog & you have to put your feelings aside.
Don't beat yourself up....what's done is done, but you need to see the vet asap & then spey her in 3-4 months.
If your boy hasn't dropped by now he needs attention too or in time it could cause a problem.
 

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Definately get both dogs to the vets and get them spayed/neuted asap.

Sounds like you have enough to deal with right now without all the work involved with pups.

Please get the dogs sorted quickly and then you can all settle down into life together.

I'm really suprised the rescue centre let you have an un-spayed bitch too - not a great example is it
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Good luck.
 
The story of my life is trying to make things better and making them worse! She was un -neautured as she didnt come directly from a rescue, she didnt have any papers (they've got lost but she is a pedigree) so the lady from the rescue directed me her.
 
Sorry didn't read the bit about him having dropped now.
O.K...get the injection, get him done & then her.
Your dogs will thank you for it, no more raging hormones & segregation.
If he can do the deed he is old enough to be nuetered.
 
you cant spey the bitch now - it would be dangerous - correct time is 3 months after her season has finished. instead you need to get her to the vets and get the misalliance jab - it will abort any possible pregnancy at this very early stage with no problems - we see it a lot and we give the jab a lot. people seem to have problems keeping animals apart which is why we always recommend neuterin bitches to prevent these issues. also getting your male dog neutered right now is no good - he'll still be fertile for a few weeks due to the sperm stored in his tubes, rather than his testicles. you need to get her the injection and keep them apart for the next few weeks. then get them both neutered, but the bitch must not be done until 3 months time or it makes the op much more risky.
 
Oh god, Ive just come off the phone to the vets, its too late for the injection, Ive spent so long worrying about it its too late now, the only option is to spay/abort, but I was told I needed to wait until 3 months had passed from coming into season originally, which is why I couldnt get her spayed as soon as I got her (even though I was ready to book the first available appointment).

Im a bit angry at my vets cos she's just told me there was something they could give her during the first signs of her season... shame the vets couldnt of told me that when I rang up the first day and shared my concerns of an unwanted pregnancy!

Im really annoyed by the whole thing, I have practically been stalking these two and stressing myself out keeping them apart and making sure nothing happened, all for OH to let all that go in a second!
 
Just found this post. Its a shame this has happened and unfortunately there is every likelihood she will have been at her height at 15 days and will be in whelp. Although you didn't get her from rescue if they were involved I am quite surprised no-one had realised she was due in season so soon. If she came in 4 days after you got her she must have been showing signs, and at 18 months it presumably wasn't her first season . I would suggest you contact the rescue again and tell them whats happened because if she does have pups you are going to need some help. If I remember from previous posts you have young children - if so I think you will find it very hard to cope with a growing litter of big puppies. Sorry all this seems very negative, I sincerely hope he didn't mate her properly and nothing happens but I think you do need to be prepared.
 
Thank you, what you said isnt negative, its realistic. Its not her first season. I have got two small children, only 2 and 3 yrs. Im annoyed this happened so quickly as I really did want to get her spayed. Im still not sure if he did mate her properly, as she has been doing most of the mounting (which I have been getting her off him very quickly as she is heavier and I dont want her to damage his back. He has tried humping her face a couple of times, but only attempted the get on her back twice (and he was called off straight away).

She's been a little hussy since coming into heat, I personally think (not being a dog expert), the messages are in dante's brain as to what he needs to do (or would like to), but he's not sure how to do it.

In the back of mind, I am thinking there could well be pups on the way, but I dont know if this sounds naive, but I still believe theres a chance she's not.

Im going to get on to the rescue now.
 
Don't blame you! In your favour is the fact that he is young, and hopefully wasn't quite pointing in the right direction. However I have known a GSD pup of a bit older mate 2 bitches within 24 hours and both had pups - that was very unusual though! Will keep fingers crossed for you. Just a thought, be even more careful with them now cause once a bitch has been mated they often become even keener for a repeat performance!
 
Im still continuing to separate them, Ive just been for a shower and I put him in the front room and her in the kitchen!

Im still working on the basis it may of not happened so Im still keeping an eye on them. Thanks for all your advice!
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You can as suggested above have an in pup spay....if we get any rescues in that are pregnant/pedigree or not!...my mams vets spay 4 weeks after the bitch is caught...some have different views about this...mine is however...that there are to many rescues out there desperatley seeking homes and you cant guarantee these puppies wont end up like that.
 
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you cant spey the bitch now - it would be dangerous - correct time is 3 months after her season has finished.

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i've not heard of this? If a rescue takes in a stray bitch do they wait for a season and then 3 moths to pass before they spey? As CALA said I understand that they spey after the compulsory 7 days is up. Dante, I'd get her done right now if the vet will do it, get him done at the same time (and if they could be persuaded I'd get the husband done too!) and allow them to start enjoying each others company, which was the whole point of getting her wasn't it.
 
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you cant spey the bitch now - it would be dangerous - correct time is 3 months after her season has finished.

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i've not heard of this? If a rescue takes in a stray bitch do they wait for a season and then 3 moths to pass before they spey? As CALA said I understand that they spey after the compulsory 7 days is up. Dante, I'd get her done right now if the vet will do it, get him done at the same time (and if they could be persuaded I'd get the husband done too!) and allow them to start enjoying each others company, which was the whole point of getting her wasn't it.

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we only ever spay 3 months after a season. possibly some vets might do it at other times, but our practice never does. closer than that to the season and everything is much more vascular and bitch speys bleed enough as it is without any more help!

also, the abortion injection we use can be used up to 45 days of pregnancy so if she's not that far gone it could still get it done.
 
Wow that abortion injection is really late isn't it. I presume they would effecitvely whelp the pups with that then. Don't know if I would fancy that, wouldn't it be very traumatic for the bitch?
 
How come my vets said last night was the last chance for the abortion injection? Cos surely if its 45 days, the vet can tell by then if the bitch really is pregnant, and whether you need the injection? Which is better.

I was contiplating asking the vet to sort my hubby out at the same time, he damn well deserves it after all this!
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I thought it was strange that dantes vet said it was too late for the injection as on the day of posting she was still only on day 15 of the season, and there was mention of the mating being 'a few days ago'. 45 days in is a bit late but if they can do it better that than another litter of crossbreed pups to home! I have a feeling that this tale isn't over
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we use Alizin and it specifically says in the data sheet that it can be used up to day 45. From the data sheet: "Uses: For the termination of pregnancy in bitches up to 45 days from mating. Administer 10mg per kg bodyweight aglepristone by subcutaneous injection only, equivalent to 0.33ml Alizin, twice, 24 hours apart In bitches confirmed as pregnant, a partial abortion may occur in up to 5% of cases; owners should be warned to this effect. A clinical examination (uterine palpation) is always recommended 10 days after treatment and at least 30 days after mating in order to confirm termination of pregnancy.
The administration of Alizin may produce transient pain at the injection site; any local inflammation produced is also resolves uneventfully.
In bitches treated beyond the twentieth day of gestation, abortion may be accompanied by the physiological signs of parturition, i.e. foetal expulsion, slight anorexia and mammary congestion.
After induced abortion with Alizin an early return to oestrus is frequently observed (the oestrus to oestrus interval may be shortened by one to three months)"

Alizin is a synthetic steroid so wont do anything do an un-pregnant bitch
 
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How come my vets said last night was the last chance for the abortion injection? Cos surely if its 45 days, the vet can tell by then if the bitch really is pregnant, and whether you need the injection? Which is better.

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no, it wouldn't be better to leave it till 45days coz by then pups would be well developed and it would effectively be an abortion and she may even give birth rather than re-absorbing - v traumatic for the bitch and you - it is an option if really necessary, but would advise giving it to her sooner rather than later.
 
perhaps your vets only have Mesalin?

data sheet for this product says: 0.01 mg/kg (0.5 ml/10 kg) to be given on the 3rd and 5th day after mating (day of mating is day 0). A third dose may be administered 7 days after mating if circumstances dictate e.g. if the bitch has been observed to have been mated several times or where the timing of the unwanted mating is unknown
 
Hiya, Im waiting for the vets to get back to me about the Alizin. Now I have another problem! Im still keeping Dante crated while Im out and he has found a way through the cage door, I think he's pushed and pushed with his muzzle and he's scraped it, should I just clean it with salt cool boiled water? Im going to padlock it next time so he cant just push it through, he's got some strength behind him!

Luckily I think he only did it just before I got in as the bag of treats was still intact on the worktop which would of been gone if he's been out long. He always checks the worktops to see what he can eat/trash! (he has a thing for my poor kitchen sponge and the toilet roll, the door is bi-fold so just pushes through!)

At least its just this week now and we're over the 21 days + 3, then he can enjoy being in Ambers company especially at night and when Im out.
 
hi hun, I am glad you got another dog as that is what the dog needed as they are naturally pack animals. Anyway, you can get a injection for the bitch SO if she is pregnent then she wont be after that BUT there are side affects such as coat colour, hormones etc which we only worry about as we show ours.

PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT get your dog neutered yet as he is only 7 months old and his hormones are not developed and you will stunt his "manhood" so wait until he is AFTER 1 YEAR old otherwise it will be a mistake, just let him be a boy and just wait another 7 months.

With regards to the bitch, is this her first season??? One shoudl never get a bitch spayed before or close after the first season so that is important.

let me know if she did take but with no tye and him being young etc it is unlikly.
 
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Sorry didn't read the bit about him having dropped now.
O.K...get the injection, get him done & then her.
Your dogs will thank you for it, no more raging hormones & segregation.
If he can do the deed he is old enough to be nuetered.

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dont be so stupid!!!! she will open a can of worm if she just gets them "done" gosh, how can one be so stupid to advise her to just do it because he has done the deed! it woudl be no use anyway because the sperm will still be stored so she will have to wait !
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PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT get your dog neutered yet as he is only 7 months old and his hormones are not developed and you will stunt his "manhood" so wait until he is AFTER 1 YEAR old otherwise it will be a mistake, just let him be a boy and just wait another 7 months.

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we castrate loads and loads of dogs at 6mths old with no problems at all. dont understand what you mean by stunting his manhood - he's a dog!
 
Think its a bit rude to call Bearhuggz stupid. She is only saying what a lot of people think. I can't see any problem in castrating the dog at 7 months, it snot as if he is going to be shown and needs to develop as a strong male. Also, a lot of vets seem to recomment spaying bitches before a first season nowadays, although I know it used to be said it was better to let them have a season. Mind you, many people say they should have a litter first and presume you don't agree with breeding a litter just for the sake of it.
 
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