someone set this straight for me pleeasse!?

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right. i was jumping my horse with a girl at my yard who was jumping her horse at the same time. we have jumps like this:
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1...w=154&start=0&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:95

so i jump so that the poles are on my side as i'm approaching the jump, so if you look at that picture, thats what it looks like as i approach the jump and go over it.. however this girl, who is a bit of a know it all to be honest with you, said "no no he'll break a leg that way" i just kind of nodded along to avoid getting into an argument (thats what she's like!) but i always thought i was doing it right?
am i right or am i wrong?

thanks! :D
 
approach it your way. the lowest pole is closest to the horse, highest it furthers away, so it encourages a better shaped and minimizes the risk of a horse putting it's leg through the jump.
 
sarahjbrogan said:
right. i was jumping my horse with a girl at my yard who was jumping her horse at the same time. we have jumps like this:
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1...w=154&start=0&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:95

so i jump so that the poles are on my side as i'm approaching the jump, so if you look at that picture, thats what it looks like as i approach the jump and go over it.. however this girl, who is a bit of a know it all to be honest with you, said "no no he'll break a leg that way" i just kind of nodded along to avoid getting into an argument (thats what she's like!) but i always thought i was doing it right?
am i right or am i wrong?

thanks! :D
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Ive had this argument with my OH as well, i say the way you do, hes says the other. It just looks all wrong from the other way.
 
The other way is safer in terms of the poles being able to fall away however I'm sure these blocks are designed to tip if knocked that hard to avoid that but I'm happy to stand corrected.
 
You are right, but I can see how the other girl came to the conclusion that she did. I think these jumps are quite light though, aren't they? So the whole thing tips over if you hit it hard enough.

Which I guess is a tripping hazard, now I come to think of it.

Maybe it's time to invest in some more traditional wings?!
 
You can see both sides to this. They are obviously designed to be jumped your way, so they slope away, but, although I wouldn't say you'd break a leg, the whole lot would fall if you hit it on the way up, and I suppose could trip you up.

They do make good mounting blocks though!
 
Kittykins said:
You are right, but I can see how the other girl came to the conclusion that she did. I think these jumps are quite light though, aren't they? So the whole thing tips over if you hit it hard enough.

Which I guess is a tripping hazard, now I come to think of it.

Maybe it's time to invest in some more traditional wings?!
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maybe it is haha, thanks ;)
 
Whilst it may be 'safer' for the poles to fall more easily, IMO jumping from the back (where the other girl does) encourages the horse to jump wrongly and knock poles more frequently than the way the OP did.

The bottom pole if closer to the horse on approach, creating more of a ground line and making it easier to see where they are jumping. If the jumped from the opposite side it make look totally vertical with no slope, or be unclear where the bottom rail is. If the horse takes a bad stride there's a higher chance of screwing up.
 
Actually quite a valid question!
Obviously the jumps are designed to slope away from the horse- so you jump with the poles facing you BUT on the other hand yes the poles should be able to fall away.
Maybe a Poly block design flaw! ;-)
I think this type of jump is so light and easy to move there is little real chance of injury.
 
**Vanner** said:
The other way is safer in terms of the poles being able to fall away however I'm sure these blocks are designed to tip if knocked that hard to avoid that but I'm happy to stand corrected.
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Playing devils advocate here :D
but if the horse knocked some poles and it fell behind the jump (ie. direction of horse travel), I'd say there was a real risk that the horse could land on them. I'm thinking that could cause quite a nasty injury :(
 
I always jump them from the other way, and if I want a spread I use a jump wing in front. From experience - those blocks are heavy - and by the way they are designed I can't see how they'd fall if the horse knocked it, unless it was an almighty tap.

ETA - saying that mine are full of water so maybe the heaviness comes from there :rolleyes:
 
quirky said:
Playing devils advocate here :D
but if the horse knocked some poles and it fell behind the jump (ie. direction of horse travel), I'd say there was a real risk that the horse could land on them. I'm thinking that could cause quite a nasty injury :(
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Same risk with a regular show jump though..

FreddiesGal said:
I always jump them from the other way, and if I want a spread I use a jump wing in front. From experience - those blocks are heavy - and by the way they are designed I can't see how they'd fall if the horse knocked it, unless it was an almighty tap.

ETA - saying that mine are full of water so maybe the heaviness comes from there :rolleyes:
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My two big horses can knock them flying without any effort! But yes I agree with you.
 
Having seen a horse and rider face plant the arena and a friends horse shatter it's knee and be PTS having hit a polyblock jump using the wings as OP has done it would make you always make sure the poles can roll off the wings... :-/ To me it's the same principle as an unpegged solid fence as the whole fence can rotate when hit, not nice!
 
archiesmum said:
Having seen a horse and rider face plant the arena and a friends horse shatter it's knee and be PTS having hit a polyblock jump using the wings as OP has done it would make you always make sure the poles can roll off the wings... :-/ To me it's the same principle as an unpegged solid fence as the whole fence can rotate when hit, not nice!
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Thing is though, having the lower pole further out at the landing side can itself cause a quite nasty accident if the horse lands with its' back legs on it.
 
Definately agree with you, but surely common sence dictates that you would have your placing pole on the side you are jumping from? Just because there are lots of places to put poles doesn't mean they all have to be used when there is a higher risk of injury if something does go Pete Tong. This is just IMO though, your horse, your perceived risk. :) I have only used them for cross poles, straights and fillers, especially after the two potentially avoidable accidents (IMO) I have seen by their 'incorrect' use.
 
We use them in the riding school all the time. They have never caused an accident. If they are hit hard enough they fall. Sometimes the poles get hit and dont move as it's not a hard hit and the horses haven't been hurt. If the pole is on the top then it can roll off. But, tbh, they are not high and it is unusual for the horses or ponies to hit a pole at all. I have seen horses hit and break a wooden pole on traditional wings. I have seen poles get tangled in horses legs from traditional wings. Jumping carries all these risks regardless of the wings.
 
Oh for goodnes sake!! Of course you are using them the right way round. To do it the other way would only be for a very specific reason on a very experienced horse. But why have you not placed a pole "ground line " at the bottom of the fence. You are making your horse's life very difficult.
Might I suggest that before you do any more jumping you seek some lessons from a qualified instructor
 
quirky said:
Playing devils advocate here :D
but if the horse knocked some poles and it fell behind the jump (ie. direction of horse travel), I'd say there was a real risk that the horse could land on them. I'm thinking that could cause quite a nasty injury :(
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If you jump a normal jump and knock the poles they fall in the direction of travel anyway. Though it would usually be only one pole when they make a vertical and the horse takes the lot with it I can't imagine it being any more dangerous than that.

That said I prefer the ones that have the cups on the inside anyway :)
 
Batgirl said:
If you jump a normal jump and knock the poles they fall in the direction of travel anyway. Though it would usually be only one pole when they make a vertical and the horse takes the lot with it I can't imagine it being any more dangerous than that.

That said I prefer the ones that have the cups on the inside anyway :)
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I disagree, I think in the majority, poles fall in front. It is only if have a real bad one that the whole lot go down.
With the poly ones set with the opening away from the horse, ther's only one way the poles will go and that's where the horse is going to land.
 
I've never understood why these are designed like they Ste as I don't like the thought of a pole being able to fall if you knock it, you'd have to knock these quite hard for the whole lot to fall down. . I prefer the ones with cups moulded to the inside, but having said that I think those cups are almost too deep! So I suppose I'm a traditional wings girl (even tho they also have faults) 😏
 
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