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hi everyone again as most of you now know i was stopped on Monday while out on a hack by the police...
on tuesday a friend who's a local reporter looked into it and was told that no incident had occurred !!
now what i forgot to say in my last post is that on Wednesday night on my way back from dropping OH at the pub i was stopped by the police (nothing new as I'm in north wales) and told that the car had shown up on the ANPR ( in car computer) as not having any insurance !!
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luckily i carry my insurance details with me . while they check out with my insurance company that i do have insurance . they make me take the baby and dog out of the car and wait at the road side while they search the car !! its 7.30pm and the baby is only 7 weeks old. everything checks out and I'm let on my way.
today i had to take OH to Manchester airport as hes away for the weekend. on the way home I'm stopped AGAIN !! this time by greater Manchester force. The officer explains that there is a marker on the car !!! both officers were fantastic really nice and helpful. he asked me to wait in his car with the baby and leave the dog in the car (as dog is friendly and he doesn't mind dogs) as he did a search of the car. once again nothing found out of place. i explain to the officer what had happened earlier in the week. Officer explained what i need to do regarding the marker on the car but OH has to do it as car is in his name (insurance in my name)
I'm annoyed that their is suddenly a marker on the car its a 57 reg golf which we've had from new neither myself or OH are never in trouble with the police.
but I'm so impressed with how nice the greater Manchester force officers were. One even went as far as to apologise for my experience earlier in the week !!
 
Im not going to post any comment about the police as i really cant be bothered with the replies but just wanted to say that it sounds like you may have had the misfortune of someone copying your registration number on another car. I would get it sorted asap or the same thing will happen again.
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my son came home from school on monday saying a child had put a knife to his throat,(it was a cutlery knife, but knife nontheless) the school just said it was kids banta and my son is now terrfied of going to school,as he has been bullied by this kid for some time, he said he feels very depressed. Wasnt getting ne joy from school, so rang police( non emegency line)! nature of call being child assulted with knife and scared to go to school, school unable to cope with incident. Police said they were going to come on wed night,,,, no sign of them and all i get is calls to say they are too busy will call round later, later comes and no sign, is now friday nignt, my son will am sure be left over the weekend stewing about monday morning!!!! Where are they and y do i pay my taxes, i need their help!!!
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What! They can't search your car without a warrant! What reason did they give?
What is this marker for? Why do you have it?

Do you think the police that stopped you on your horse have put this on you out of spite?
 
Just to let you know that GMP has ANPR but it is from a CD therefore I understand it is updated only once a day. Therefore, if the marker had been removed, it would not have been updated on the GMP system until the following day. Hope that makes sense. Some forces have live PNC access which means that this does not happen, but GMP don't use this as yet.
 
ANPR works on interrogating a number of databases including the national DVLA database so a marker could be put on the car saying it is stolen, or used for a crime but I don't think they can override the DVLA database.
 
Be interesting to know if the marker has been lifted as a result of the Mancs police inquiries...

rather wish this could make the national press, but it might have to be Private Eye at this rate...

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it just seems strange that after making a compaint i'm suddenly stopped and theres a marker on the car . could be unconnected . dont think i'll use the car till OH gets home just in case, but pick ups in for a service so looks like i'll be in his transit van better go and tidy it.
 
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Sorry the police have to have a valid reason to put a marker on a car and "spite" isnt one of them. And yes they do have the power to search your car without a warrant. Again they do have to have a valid reason, those of which im not going to get into, but im not saying that this occassion was a valid reason.
 
pinktiger - I sympathise with you over your predicament but unfortunalty they have to prioitise incidents. I really dont think the public realise how little number of officers there are out on the streets unfortunatly. This however, i understand, is no consolation to you. Is the way this goverment is ran. However i could go on and on about this subject so ill cut my reply short!!

Hope you get it sorted soon and your son is ok.
 
Blimey you're not having a lot of luck are you!

Right, the ANPR has to be downloaded onto the car's on board computer from PNC, usually once a day. It contains all sorts of stuff and I'm no computer buff but it 'pings' when it reads something of interest which can range from an out of date tax disc/no insurance to vehicles used in say an armed robbery, it's a seriously usefull piece of kit.

Whatever the reason for the 'hit', officers will always run the number through PNC to confirm it because some of the stuff is out of date, especially the tax and insurance stuff which is obviously sent from DVLA, not the Police.

At the end of the day you cannot put an interest report on a vehicle out of spite, they would risking the sack and even prosecution for missuse of the PNC. As a woman on a horse who didn't have her passport, you aren't worth the risk even if you did give them the finger before you realised who they were!
 
Come on! The shortage of police on the street could be easily rectified by more of them getting their backsides out of their cars parked up with speed traps, and by not wasting time harassing law abiding horse riders.
 
Hi Angharad well youve had an eventful week with the local bobbies havnt you ,its a bit of a coincidence youve suddenly got a marker on your car , lets face it our local force are well handy at stopping cars theyve got sod all else to do.
Maybe he would risk loseing his job if caught abusing the system but that doesnt mean he hasnt .
Too much of a coincidence if you ask me.
B-----------D `S fancy making you and the baby get out of the car as well its been bloody freezing. Hope you get it all sorted out soon.
 
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Hi Angharad well youve had an eventful week with the local bobbies havnt you ,its a bit of a coincidence youve suddenly got a marker on your car , lets face it our local force are well handy at stopping cars theyve got sod all else to do.
Too much of a coincidence if you ask me.
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I think you are forgetting that on the first occasion the OP was on her horse (which doesn't have a registration number) and there was no reference to her car at all. So to jump to a marker on her car you believe must have been placed there maliciously is just too paranoid for words. Particularly since the marker is said to relate to insurance, which isn't an indicator put on by Police, it comes direct from the national insurance database
 
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I take it you have never had a relative killed by a speeding car then
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North Wales Police are well known for their speed traps a really good source of revenue yes
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What! They can't search your car without a warrant! What reason did they give?
What is this marker for? Why do you have it?

Do you think the police that stopped you on your horse have put this on you out of spite?



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Complete & utter rubbish!!! You've been watching too many old American Movies.
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To place a marker on the PNC/ANPR system takes more than spite. It is highly likely that as your car is a golf that there is another one of similar description being ghosted on your number plate. If that is the case then it is either stolen, being used in crime or both. The best way to try & get something sorted is to go to your local Police station & speak to an officer there & let them know of your concerns. They should be able to sort out something regarding the PNC marker.

Oh & KVS......I thought you'd go on to say thery should be out catching rapists & muggers, or are you saving that for later?
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I think you are forgetting that on the first occasion the OP was on her horse (which doesn't have a registration number) and there was no reference to her car at all. So to jump to a marker on her car you believe must have been placed there maliciously is just too paranoid for words. Particularly since the marker is said to relate to insurance, which isn't an indicator put on by Police, it comes direct from the national insurance database
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So are you saying its impossible then ???
 
I was told that it is likely to have a marker put on your car if you are in a "dodgy area" more than once, by a serving officer. She informed me that this could be done by the bobby on the beat. Perhaps it depends which police area you are in. The stated reason may not be the reason shown.
 
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I was told that it is likely to have a marker put on your car if you are in a "dodgy area" more than once, by a serving officer. She informed me that this could be done by the bobby on the beat. Perhaps it depends which police area you are in. The stated reason may not be the reason shown.

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oooer.....so she is a drug dealer...
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It totally depends what database is being used. If it is a local force database then there is presumably nothing to stop a marker being put on the car. However, if they stated that it was due to insurance that the car had been pulled over, then this is not a database maintained by the police.
 
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I take it you have never had a relative killed by a speeding car then
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No I haven't. Neither have alot of people considering how many drivers sometimes go slightly over speed limits, yet the police seem to allocate a dispropotionate amount of resourses to fight this apparently most serious of crimes whilst often showing little to no interest in crimes such as burglary, muggings, fraud, sexual abuse, domestic violence, etc..... It comes down to motorists being an easy target for money making, they need to get their priorities right.
 
Well I'm sorry but I'm inclined to accept the OP's thinking that it is there out of spite, whatever those in a position to know the workings of the Police say. Going back a few years ago, I also had a marker placed on my car, I travelled a lot in those days and it didn't matter where I was in the country, I would always get stopped, or else they would just sit on my tail or in front of me on the motorway simply winding me up by driving at 68 mph, daring me to overtake them. It stemmed from me being stopped for speeding on the A3, and getting cross with the Officer when he started to go round the car looking for anything else he could book me for, I got narky and said he wouldn't find anything and he didn't. I was taking the car to be serviced at the time.

I found myself sitting next to the Chairman of our Local police authority at a dinner one time, and as this matter was frankly doing my head in, I mentioned it to him. He took my registration number, I have no idea what he did but ever since, I have never been troubled by the police in my car (apart from the time they caught me driving without my seat belt on which is fair enough) I have a private plate, so the registration number stays with me, rather than the car.

I can't see what there is to stop a hacked off police officer putting in an apparently legitimate reason to stop a specific car, just to wind up the driver. Obviously OP had to give name and address at the time the producer was written out, so they had the basic facts to work from.
 
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If the marker was for insurance then yes that is the DVLA, but it was the local police who said that that was what the marker was for. It just seems highly coincidental that three days after this person complained she is again put at risk, this time with her baby, by officers of the same force.
 
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I take it you have never had a relative killed by a speeding car then
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Quite, when she's been doing the job nearly 20 years and scraped a few off the tarmac then taken the relatives to ID them, she'll understand.

Shall we just leave them to it stinkbomb?
 
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It totally depends what database is being used. If it is a local force database then there is presumably nothing to stop a marker being put on the car. However, if they stated that it was due to insurance that the car had been pulled over, then this is not a database maintained by the police.

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Surely the Police from Greater Manchester must've routinely checked the numberplate whilst following her for them to know it had a "marker" against it? If it was vendetta against her, I could understand the local force recognising the number plate more easily.

Seems very strange to me.
 
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