Sprinter Sacre Gofundme

I've not read all comments so may be saying the already known but I believe his owner in racing who would have had the prize money died some time ago. Someone I know led SS up after the funeral.
 
IrishMilo said:
I'm starting to think that if you own a horse it should be mandatory to have insurance, like cars. I dread to think the amount of horses (and animals in general) who suffer because people can't, won't or don't pay for the vet.
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Insurance doesn’t pay enough anyway. I’ve just spent double over what the max insurance pay out was trying to save my horse. I’d love to do a GoFundMe
 
reynold said:
Reading the RP article it says that SS will 'return to his stable' after the procedure. Sounds like he's going back to the person who started the gofundme. I'd question if that is the right place after this launching of a begging bowl when NH says he'd already arranged to pay for the treatment/op personally.
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Exactly is he with the most appropriate owner?

Publicly stating that the family of the original owner nor Nicky Henderson would help financially when they had not been informed is IMHO utterly disgusting. It is also libellous and a very stupid thing to do. Not at all surprised that Ms Roberts has been strongly criticised on social media.

I am curious as to why there was such a panic to surgically intervene, Splint bones usually sort themselves out with time!!
 
Think there's an interesting discussion to be had about the role someone has who takes on a high profile horse, and whether that high profile horse remains in the public eye because social media allows it, and that public profile allowing for the ol' tug of the heart strings when the proverbial, in whatever form, happens.

There are plenty of successful high profile ex racers who you wouldn't know what they're up to, just merrily being enjoyed elsewhere.
 
teapot said:
Think there's an interesting discussion to be had about the role someone has who takes on a high profile horse, and whether that high profile horse remains in the public eye because social media allows it, and that public profile allowing for the ol' tug of the heart strings when the proverbial, in whatever form, happens.

There are plenty of successful high profile ex racers who you wouldn't know what they're up to, just merrily being enjoyed elsewhere.
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^^^^^^
THIS
 
It could well just be a simple misunderstanding.

I've had understandings with owners of horses I've had for rehab or retirement where they have said that at the horse's age / soundness level etc they would be happy to pay up to a certain amount for any vet investigations / treatment and no more. But they generally have serious thing like colic surgeries, long term box rest or injuries with guarded prognoses in mind. If there was something acute and fixable and it was a higher amount, they may well have decided differently in the moment. It's possible that the current keeper (it sounds like she doesn't own him) just panicked about the amount and thought it might be a no from the owner so tried to go it alone.
 
Velcrobum said:
I am curious as to why there was such a panic to surgically intervene, Splint bones usually sort themselves out with time!!
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Fractured split bones generally dont. The fractured portion l9ses its blood supply, becomes necrotic and sets up an infection (sequestrum). Generally removing the fractured portion is thr only option. It's minor surgery, and often done standing.
 
Gamebird said:
Fractured split bones generally dont. The fractured portion l9ses its blood supply, becomes necrotic and sets up an infection (sequestrum). Generally removing the fractured portion is thr only option. It's minor surgery, and often done standing.
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Thank you for the clarification. Every day is a school day in up to date times.
I commented after a personal experience albeit many years ago when a horse was treated conservatively for a # splint bone.
 
Brummyrat said:
I think Caroline is still alive and kicking, it was her husband that sadly passed.
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Yes, I did a quick google, It was a Raymonds funeral that the guy i know went too. If you can afford a funeral (party after) like that was you can afford any amount of vets bills. Friend filmed various bits it was abosulutely mental.
 
It does open up such a wide question, doesn’t it? As to how long does somebody remain responsible for a horse or even a dog or cat. If we move away from the fact that he’s a successful and well-known racehorse, would a breeder or trainer who had a horse until the horse was 3 have responsibility 5 years later after the horse was sold or even given away? I was given mine when he was eight and at that point he became my responsibility as much as if I’d bought a horse advertised in the paper. Of course it is going to vary great beyond different arrangements and there are arrangements where the horse is given on a loan basis to be returned if issues or the owner may still pay. I have known people with ex-racehorses horses who have continued to have some funding from the racing owners.

SS last race in 2016 so he was a racehorse for 10 years and now an ex racehorse for 10 years. If you bought a 10-year-old show jumper when the horse is 20, would you be expecting the seller to help? Does success make any difference?

I think because racing is high profile on welfare there is an added responsibility upon those gifting rehoming reselling horses to suss out where they are going and there is the RoR vulnerable horse scheme and efforts to continue traceability

Did anybody see about the USEF life thing care to have safety net contacts for financial care or a home.

No conclusions, just some rambling thoughts
 
TheMule said:
You'd be amazed…. My OH is a OOH emergency specialist vet and the number of people who can’t afford the visit, or if they can, cannot afford referral is alarming. He absolutely hates having to PTS horses that he knows could easily be saved with the appropriate treatment, but at least there is no suffering in that
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I’m sadly a little cynical on the vets wanting to keep everything alive thing. When I was a young adult, I followed their advice to the T and of course the insurance paid. But was the outcome better for the horse?

Overwhelmingly, over time around yards full of horses, the biggest thing I noticed was that seriously expensive treatment rarely had a good outcome. Mostly it was endless box rest followed by eventual pts - or similar.

Now I get that they have to offer. I now say, ‘In your personal experience what was the outcome of x treatment in this situation’ and get a much more realistic answer. Then if needed the knackerman does not ask questions. The horse gets to die with dignity before they are screaming in pain. I will never forget receiving a diagnosis that an elderly horse had spinal arthritis and there was nothing they could do - and the vets being surprised when I rang to remove her from their books a couple of days later after she had been pts. Nor will I forget a vet sobbing while they pts a dying animal. Or the horse who held on until the end when everyone around them could see they were dying (other than the vet and owner) - until one day they could no longer get up and had to be half lifted, half dragged out onto the yard to be pts due to access issues.

My favourite vets currently are brilliantly pragmatic. They always have the best interest of the horse in mind - whether that be treatment or an honest discussion about pts. I self insure so all decisions are mine not an insurance company’s, and I always do my best to make the decision that is right for the horse, not for the emotional comfort of owner or vet.
 
maya2008 said:
I’m sadly a little cynical on the vets wanting to keep everything alive thing. When I was a young adult, I followed their advice to the T and of course the insurance paid. But was the outcome better for the horse?

Overwhelmingly, over time around yards full of horses, the biggest thing I noticed was that seriously expensive treatment rarely had a good outcome. Mostly it was endless box rest followed by eventual pts - or similar.

Now I get that they have to offer. I now say, ‘In your personal experience what was the outcome of x treatment in this situation’ and get a much more realistic answer. Then if needed the knackerman does not ask questions. The horse gets to die with dignity before they are screaming in pain. I will never forget receiving a diagnosis that an elderly horse had spinal arthritis and there was nothing they could do - and the vets being surprised when I rang to remove her from their books a couple of days later after she had been pts. Nor will I forget a vet sobbing while they pts a dying animal. Or the horse who held on until the end when everyone around them could see they were dying (other than the vet and owner) - until one day they could no longer get up and had to be half lifted, half dragged out onto the yard to be pts due to access issues.

My favourite vets currently are brilliantly pragmatic. They always have the best interest of the horse in mind - whether that be treatment or an honest discussion about pts. I self insure so all decisions are mine not an insurance company’s, and I always do my best to make the decision that is right for the horse, not for the emotional comfort of owner or vet.
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Well, obviously there’s a broad spectrum of what he sees and a range of potential different outcomes. But I meant pretty basic front line treatments that would make a substantial difference to the horse.
 
poiuytrewq said:
Yes, I did a quick google, It was a Raymonds funeral that the guy i know went too. If you can afford a funeral (party after) like that was you can afford any amount of vets bills. Friend filmed various bits it was abosulutely mental.
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This just a sad and unnecessary post….I hope your friend who filmed part of the after funeral party, had the decency to keep them private….
Once again the vets bills have been paid….paid as soon as both the trainer and owners became aware…
 
Marshpiper said:
This just a sad and unnecessary post….I hope your friend who filmed part of the after funeral party, had the decency to keep them private….
Once again the vets bills have been paid….paid as soon as both the trainer and owners became aware…
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Agree with everything you say, this thread doesn’t make for good reading and why not just leave everyone concerned alone now?
 
Marshpiper said:
This just a sad and unnecessary post….I hope your friend who filmed part of the after funeral party, had the decency to keep them private….
Once again the vets bills have been paid….paid as soon as both the trainer and owners became aware…
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Everyone was filming. I don’t mean the funeral they put on the most stunning light and water display you’ve ever seen. It was incredible.
There were hundreds of phones in the air.
I’m not being horrible. It was an incredible tribute to him
 
poiuytrewq said:
Everyone was filming. I don’t mean the funeral they put on the most stunning light and water display you’ve ever seen. It was incredible.
There were hundreds of phones in the air.
I’m not being horrible. It was an incredible tribute to him
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You said if they can afford an after funeral party like that, they can afford vets bills….which they have….
So sorry, but it was a totally unnecessary post….
 
Marshpiper said:
You said if they can afford an after funeral party like that, they can afford vets bills….which they have….
So sorry, but it was a totally unnecessary post….
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They're talking about SS owners who are a different person to the one that's paid the vet bill (SS former trainer).

It's all a moot point now anyway; the bill is paid, the animal has had the needed treatment.
 
I feel a little over sensitive. It’s true. If you can afford an absolute fortune on a party like that a vet bill is nothing.
We are not talking the average racehorse owner. They are utterly minted, and yes surely have some degree of responsibility still.
I thought Nicky Henderson was covering the bill.
 
I understand from Google that Sprinter won over £1.3 million for his owner Caroline Mould. It seems he is now with someone who does not have the money to fund a small operation. Why? Why is the owner for whom he won so much money apparently not prepared to keep control of him and ensure he wants for nothing for the rest of his life? We all know the answer. We keep being told this nonsense about how much the owners care, but that is totally false, except for a few lucky horses. Most are passed on as soon as they come out of racing and the owners do not care two hoots what happens to them. Look at Denman - sent team chasing as his retirement present. Only disposable horses go team chasing. Dead at 15 I believe. Silviano Conti sent the same way and dead even earlier; Kauto Star, sent to do dressage! My useless ex racehorse, who never raced, lived to 35 because I looked after her. This story says everything about horse racing today. All glitz and glamour on the surface but sick and uncaring underneath. It is not the trainer's fault as they have no say, but they get the bad press. Well done to Nicky Henderson who apparently genuinely cares about Sprinter.
 
poiuytrewq said:
I feel a little over sensitive. It’s true. If you can afford an absolute fortune on a party like that a vet bill is nothing.
We are not talking the average racehorse owner. They are utterly minted, and yes surely have some degree of responsibility still.
I thought Nicky Henderson was covering the bill.
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He should not have to. The horse was not in his control. Where is his owner Caroline Mould who reaped his £1.3million winnings?
 
bottletop said:
I understand from Google that Sprinter won over £1.3 million for his owner Caroline Mould. It seems he is now with someone who does not have the money to fund a small operation. Why? Why is the owner for whom he won so much money apparently not prepared to keep control of him and ensure he wants for nothing for the rest of his life? We all know the answer. We keep being told this nonsense about how much the owners care, but that is totally false, except for a few lucky horses. Most are passed on as soon as they come out of racing and the owners do not care two hoots what happens to them. Look at Denman - sent team chasing as his retirement present. Only disposable horses go team chasing. Dead at 15 I believe. Silviano Conti sent the same way and dead even earlier; Kauto Star, sent to do dressage! My useless ex racehorse, who never raced, lived to 35 because I looked after her. This story says everything about horse racing today. All glitz and glamour on the surface but sick and uncaring underneath. It is not the trainer's fault as they have no say, but they get the bad press. Well done to Nicky Henderson who apparently genuinely cares about Sprinter.
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Just no need at all for all this venom about people you have no clue about.
 
Tiddlypom said:
Too many people still believing the hysterical GFM blurb put up originally by Sprinter Sacre’s current carer stating that his owner and former trainer were refusing to contribute to his vet’s bills.

Mud sticks even when it should never have been thrown in the first place ☹️.
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I feel for them, the horse is not theirs anymore and it sounds like he was gifted in good faith. They should not be getting vitriol for not paying for an animal they do not own.
From what I've seen at lambourn open days and just generally living relatively close to NH yard, however you feel about the racing industry (and I'm really not a fan) he always gives the impression of really caring about his horses.
 
I always thought Denman looked like he had the most fabulous post racing time of it. Was always on it at the racecourse when he did gallops up the home straight on parade days. He then returned to the Nicholls yard for full retirement.

I agree I didn't like seeing Kauto Star doing dressage, he never looked happy but that was the owner's decision for him. He may have been happier going team chasing with his old mates. Imagine Denman and KS in the same team chasing team.
 
Tiddlypom said:
Too many people still believing the hysterical GFM blurb put up originally by Sprinter Sacre’s current carer stating that his owner and former trainer were refusing to contribute to his vet’s bills.

Mud sticks even when it should never have been thrown in the first place.
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Also the fb page has been deleting a lot of their own inflammatory and untrue comments instead of issuing an apology for their mistake/confusion.
 
bottletop said:
He should not have to. The horse was not in his control. Where is his owner Caroline Mould who reaped his £1.3million winnings?
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We know nothing about what arrangements have gone on behind the scenes, other than treatment has been received and paid for. We can speculate all we want. The outcome remains the same.
 
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