Stallion Chateau De Brion

I didn't see him at the stud at the weekend so possibly. He is available for stud next year though. I have a mare due to him next year, though in all honesty if she had not been in foal to him already when I bought her I would have used Chadron as he would have definitely produced a chunkier type of foal that I like. Chateau's foals are usually very refined looking at birth but the ones born this year have all turned into lovely lookers.
 
We saw both Chadron and Chateau when we went to Quainton last spring - Chateau was lovely, very correct in his paces, powerful jump .... but I have to agree that the one we just loved (as obviously did the stable rider) was Chadron. Just a complete pussycat in the stable, and stunning paces and agility for such a big boy. What a pity he's been cut!

Sorry, don't have any up to date info on Chadron, but I think that Emma is on the forum, so she may let us know the latest ....
 
Who is he aproved by - don't use stallions you have'nt seen or are un-approved by SF, KWPN or the German lot. Remember that he can only improve her if she herself is scopey and careful.The mare is 70 % of the equation so good mare can be improved by good stallion, a less good mare will not be improved by a top stallionl Tough but true.
 
J1234 - He is licensed and fully approved for life with the Holstein as well as AES. He was also premium graded at his 70 day test in 2005 and was leased to the German State Stud for the 2006 season to use on their own mare's.
 
I don't see J1234's comments as strong at all, I think they're simply a series of truisms which breeders should adhere to. I wouldn't use a stallion I'd never seen, or any stallion that hasn't been approved by a credible stud book, and they are correct when they say that a top stallion will not improve a poor mare.

Chateau is a nice stallion and he was leased to the St Moritzburg stud (ie not THE state stud, as there are many) which is one of the less important in Germany, but he has covered a lot of mares there.

Would I use him? perhaps, but there are several hundred performance stallions ahead of him on the my list, who will give me greater commercial interest in my young stock, ie make them more sellable.
 
Quote from the Quainton Stud Website on Chateau:

"Chateau de Brion was licensed as a Holstein stallion in April 2007 at Holsteiner Verband (Germany). He is also 70 day tested, Marbach 2005 and is a licensed and approved stallion for life. He was leased to the German State Stud for 2006 where he proved to be very popular"

Also, Chateau de Brion was the Sire of the highest priced foal in the Southern German Elite Foal Auction (€22,000) in 2007.

Chateau has also been chosen for the Olympic Pathway Programme, I would say that makes him fairly commercial and certainly his offspring are sellable if his reached the highest fee, don't you think?

I am not saying this to promote Chateau one way or the other, but if you are going to say his offspring would be less valuable than another stallion that YOU might use, then you need to give the balance that his foal actually made the highest sale figure at that Auction.
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http://www.landwirtschaft.sachsen.de/sgv/

That is the link to The National State Stud in Moritzburg where Chateau was leased to for two years. It is one of the oldest State Studs in Germany and the Chief Director is called Dr Gorbert. Perhaps RosieW would like to question the studs credentials directly with him or even the Minister for Agriculture, you can find both of their direct emails on the site.

For those of you who are interested, Chateau is fine. He is currently recovering from an injury, and is enjoying some time off. You can expect to see him back in full competition by early spring.
 
I love Chateau both when we saw him in the flesh last Spring and also on paper. Of the Quainton boys I do also LOVE Stallone and Lancelot and cannot wait to see them out under saddle with Ben next year!!!
 
So I guess we've got Emma (Godiva) and client of Emma's (breeze_mum) here. This is a forum, which means that other people are entitled to an opinion, even if it's not the same as yours, so suck it up.

22000€ is not a huge amount for a foal, and some sales have previously seen that as an average. It's still a good price, but not spectacular.

So Breeze_mum, any day of the week in any country of the world you'll find Eurocommerce Berlin foals and Cornet Obolensky foals and Quidam de Revel foals selling for way way more than those of Chateau. It's because they are more commercial and well regarded, NOT a slight on the quality of Chateau's production.

Please don't be so snippy, we're all allowed a point of view here.
 
How can you genuinely compare a young stallion like Chateau, who's only now starting to jump at the higher levels and having his first generations of foals on the ground, to International jumping stallions like Eurocommerce Berlin and Cornet Obolensky!!! I'm sorry but these two boys not only have international careers under their belts but also MANY MANY graded stallion and mare progeny under their belt!!!!! Not meaning to be argumentative BUT this is an unfair comparison.

We used Amiro Z this year and were only too happy to see foal's from his first crop fetch 12000 euros (approx) at the Z auction this year....would you honestly say this is a poor figure???

Give Chateau a chance for his progeny to start proving themselves and start coming to the fore and THEN I think it is fair to make a comparison such as that!
 
that was exactly my point eventrider, if you are going to say his are less sellable then you have to compare like for like. I have seen pitiful prices at Brightwells for foals of very high quality lately so I feel that for a foal to achieve such a price is a good thing in the current market.

And it matters not whether I have seen Chateau personally or not, this post was started by someone asking how HE was doing, not any other stallion, so I felt able to answer re his offspring etc having seen them face to face.
 
Exactly Jane, the comparison is unfair because Chateau de Brion is a young unproven stallion and those mentioned are hot, proven in performance and production. But it's that fact that proves the point rosiew was making, which was that she's looking for commercial interest in the young stock that she puts on the ground, rather than being a glorified horse collector.

Do you see foreign buyers coming to the UK to buy Chateau stock ? No. Do you see UK buyers going to Europe to buy Berlin stock? Yes. Do you see UK buyers buying Berlin, Vigo, Quidam and Kannan stock at UK based auctions? Yes. The clue is in the question.............................."say what you see"

The price for the Amiro Z foal was very good when you see that the prices were much reduced this year at the Z sale.
 
Are breeder owners of up and coming showjumpers/dressage horses/eventers for our UK riders to ride "glorified horse collectors" then? Isn't much of an incentive to provide horses for them if they are viewed that way is it?
 
Don't be silly Breeze_mum, I think you're just looking for an arguement this evening, go and have a glass of red and calm down.
 
Fair enough those stallions are 'hot'....it's an unquestionable fact...however, were they having buyers coming to specifically look for their stock when they themselves were only 6 yr olds?? I think not. I see what you say BSM about the fact that from a commercial POV, using highly marketable stallions like Berlin and Obolensky are wise moves...however...someone used those stallions when they were only 6 yr olds themselves. They clearly used them on good mare's and the stock are now speaking for themselves as they are much sought after.

So, in order for Chateau to get to this stage (if indeed he does) he still needs the time that those stallions have had in order to let his stock come to the forefront and begin to compete themselves (seeing as his stock are only 2 yr olds at most now). I would ba amazed if any youngster (not just in today's climate but at any point) by a young relatively unproven stallion would fetch more at auction than a similarly nice horse by any of those stallions you mentioned. However the same would have been said for those stallions when they themselves were first starting out and so you just cannot compare Chateau with them in any way shape or form (except for the fact that both Berlin and Chateau are by Cassini I)

Would I use Berlin or Obolensky? Possibly Berlin yes (I just don't lilke Obolensky's temperament personally)...however....if everyone used these stallions and not any new ones then the gene pool is going to get VERY small. Of course it might not come to pass that he goes on to be a great sire...however the same could be said for Amiro, who we took a chance on this year...or it could be said for Clintissimo Z...or Cornet's Stern...the list is endless. Someone has to use these young stallion's in the first place on order to 'give' them a name in the first place.

I know that I would be a very very happy breeder for example if I had used Berlin when he was first starting out, at what would have been a greatly reduced stud fee from the 3250 euros it is now.
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Breeze_mum, you have issues, deal with them somewhere else please, this is an adult discussion. Take BSM's advice and have a glass of red, and consider how others may be allowed a point of view in your world.
 
sorry rosiew I refuse to rise to your and Ken's provocations and yes BSM IS Ken, I would not be surprised if you were too actually. You have "both" ruined what was quite a nice discussion about a young stallion - as usual - and turned it into an attack on anyone who disagrees with your point of view.

Odd how those who do so, then turn it on those who disagree. However, unlike some, I do not come on here to argue, check my 460 posts, I think only one ever was in disagreement with someone and that was politely done. In fact, please do check them and then you will see what a nice polite adult debate is really about
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Thanks Godiva, just wanted to know what he was up too, only came to Quainton with a friend who's Heartbreaker mare is in foal to him, i liked the look of him.
Hope he makes a full recovery and look forward to seeing him in the spring.
 
Don't be silly Breeze_mum, I think you're just looking for an arguement this evening, go and have a glass of red and calm down.

You patronising saddo, if anyone needs the wine its you, there was nothing typed to justify that dig. Rosie whatever another having a dig before double checking their facts. Then there are comments about so & so must know the other person, yet you lot are the worse culprits. God you would think you people would be proudly showing off your horse but I dont believe one of you has ever shown what you have bred. What does that mean, they are all rubbish, or that you dont want us to know who you are. You are all intitled to your opinions just dont keep making out you are better then anyone else on here, because most of us have switched off from you & Ken.
 
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I think 'you' is Ken, or is it just a coincidence roseiw joined just to back up BSM/Ken and Ken's stud is haras de la Rose.

Breeze_mum, I dont think you posted anything to justify those comments, but a glass of wine is never a bad idea
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thank you both. I have never got involved in any of Ken's "discussions" previously but seem to have got caught up in this one as I disagreed with him. Lord I have such a nerve. However, I have viewed some previous problems he has caused and I do not think it is any coincidence that he causes problems and becomes rude and then lo and behold a newbie female pops up to defend him as rudely as he speaks to people himself. This is what makes me think the newbie female is always Ken - which I find quite sad.

I am very happy with who I am and what I believe in so never will someone like RosieKen bother me with the venom he throws out and yes Volatis, I shall now go and have a glass of wine
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Yet again, someone on this forum dares to not agree with someone, and the whole shooting match turns into a witch hunt. Rosie = haras de la rose?????????????? Oh my god! I've never spoken to or dealt with Ken, although I like the look of his stallions for next year. In the meantime, I will ask my parents to have me renamed.

Breeze_mum accept responsibility for what you write here, and don't try to blame others. You've used Chateau and three people happened to write something that you don't like the sound of. No one was being in the slightest bit rude or "knocking" about him and yet off you go on some rant, throwing paranoid accusations around. The loser in this is Chateau de Brion, as there is now (as a result of your stupidity) a negative thread about him, well done. All you want to do is blame someone, who it would seem isn't even on this forum. Would you act like this in your "real world" persona?

I guess you didn't take what was actually very good advice? Forget the glass of wine, just calm down.
 
I guess you didn't take what was actually very good advice? Forget the glass of wine, just calm down.

I have noticed it is yourself that starts the winding up, so I suggest taking your “calm down” remark & use it yourself. You are deliberately winding people up, to what end I wonder. I no longer have any respect for you, because you are a mischief maker. And just as you keep telling people on here how they are wasting their time breeding & collecting horses, I will keep asking where are yours then? Where are these great horses you keep breeding? Come on you love to keep telling us about them, but we never see the evidence, or perhaps we do but you are too modest to be recognised, which I find very difficult to believe. There is one thing that cant be disputed Ken is back on here & posting, because he can not, no matter how hard he tries, get away with the style of post he is famous for.
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I actually don't have to say anything rosieken, you say it all for yourself for everyone to see. I have not spoken any vitriole it has all come from yourself.

As for using Chateau, if you had read my post properly, you would have seen that my mare was in foal to him BEFORE I bought her. I actually stated that I would have used Chadron so there is no personal reason for me to defend him other than your trying to say the State Stud is a lesser one in Germany and his stock will not reach as much. How odd you say you have never spoken to Ken, you sound just like him - and made an account just to defend him. Perhaps you are long lost twins
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Rosiew are you aware you sound an awful lot like Ken who was banned from this forum for rubbishing everyone else's stallions and promoting those on his own books????

British Breeders are very discerning and most of them are delighted that there are good quality blood lines available in this country. Mostly the breeders I have met, although commercially minded are far more compassionate about their mares than the European Breeder/Farmer.

A personal service and strong relationship with the Stallion Owner and Stud Service Provider is as much a part of their decision making process, as a clever marketing campaign by the larger studs/studbooks.

As for being sarcastic to Breezes-mum, how rude and unnecessary.
 
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