Stallion suggestions for my pony mare

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My mare who is out on a breeding contract has just given birth to her first foal who is gorgeous! My mare is 14.2/3 very compact NF x appaloosa mare.

I am now really considering breeding from her myself and would love some suggestions. I am based in wiltshire so any thing that only covers natural would need to be nearby. The foal would be to keep for myself. Ideally I want something that will add height, length and movement to my mare. The foal will be kept to do dressage and lower level jumping. I would really love spots but this isn't set in stone, just would be nice!!!

Any suggestions would be fantastic as a first time breeder I need all the advice I can get!
 
I wouldn't go for a stallion a lot bigger than your mare as you don't want the foal to be too big for her.

If you are looking for a sports pony type I love Strinesdale Mastermind but he is probably on the small side for you.
 
What would be too big, I have seen some big studs recently breed their welsh a to a 15.2 plus stallion. Would 16.1hh be too big, I would ideally like the foal to make as big as possible hopefully 15.2hh. I am only small being 5'1 so don't want something huge either! I can get photos of my mare too if this helps.
 
I personally don't like the stallion to be more than a hand bigger than the mare :)

At 16.1h and your mare being compact personally I wouldn't go for that combination as I'd be worried about the foal being overly large for the mare. If you really like him it might be worth investigating his stock to see if he has been bred to smaller mares before and what type/size of foals he is throwing. It's also worth a chat with your vet as well :)
 
Honestly if you are wanting a larger horse don't breed it from your mare for sentimental value. The mares welfare must ALWAYS be paramount to any breeding. If you breed too large, you will loose both mare and foal and have wasted a hell of a lot of money. If you are looking for a horse, i would buy a foal or have a look about for a broodmare who fits your bill and is available to loan for breeding (or available to put in foal for you with the deposit set down for the foal)
 
This is my mare
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I would definitely chat to vet first to make sure, her health is paramount to me. As said its not that I need a big horse but to make 15.2hh would be nice. Just conflicting as seen many pony mares bred to horses.

It seems many people say that should breed no bigger than 1 hand as foal will be to big and others say that foals can only grow to a certain size in uterus. Confusing! 15.2hh stallion would be fine its just finding the right one. However, I did like Angelo af asgard.
 
He is 16hh- I dropped my mare off there last Autumn, she is 15hh and I was a little worried he'd be too big but he's not a broad horse and definitely not tall
 
TheMule said:
He is 16hh- I dropped my mare off there last Autumn, she is 15hh and I was a little worried he'd be too big but he's not a broad horse and definitely not tall
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Yes- I spoke to lady who owned him and she said he has been put to some pony mares, have you had your foal yet?
 
I know of some great pony successes bred to CB stallions using AI. Not for me personally, especially if this is for a first foal. I would go for a stallion around 15.2hh. I thought of a particular Arabian but you might finish up with a foal a bit too fine.

There is a very nice CBxTB 15.2hh who would make a good cross, I won't name him here, please pm me if that might be of interest.

I think the most important thing to ask yourself, is what do you want to do with the foal? If you are looking for a fun horse why not look at a native stallion. If you want a competition horse then look for some hot blood pure or part bred.
 
Rollin said:
I know of some great pony successes bred to CB stallions using AI. Not for me personally, especially if this is for a first foal. I would go for a stallion around 15.2hh. I thought of a particular Arabian but you might finish up with a foal a bit too fine.

There is a very nice CBxTB 15.2hh who would make a good cross, I won't name him here, please pm me if that might be of interest.

I think the most important thing to ask yourself, is what do you want to do with the foal? If you are looking for a fun horse why not look at a native stallion. If you want a competition horse then look for some hot blood pure or part bred.
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Im looking for something fun in the main and to compete BD with if possible. Something to compliment my mare and to add height and length. I ideally would like spots but its not imperative. I dont really want to breed a native I like finer types.
 
ktj1891 said:
I know her parents but it was just a one of breeding, her breeding is unrecorded, the only licensed stallion I know in her breeding is her grandsire Amazing Blue.
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In that case you need a stallion that can put papers on the rather than a partbred or mixed breed warmblood. I would look at a quarter horse, applaloosa - not a knapstrub - or I would consider an anglo arab to give a foal eligible for part bred registration.
Probably cheaper to buy a foal to make what you want than to breed one though.
 
s4sugar said:
In that case you need a stallion that can put papers on the rather than a partbred or mixed breed warmblood. I would look at a quarter horse, applaloosa - not a knapstrub - or I would consider an anglo arab to give a foal eligible for part bred registration.
Probably cheaper to buy a foal to make what you want than to breed one though.
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Why would I need papers if I am keeping the foal, also why would an anglo arab be better, do you have any stallions in mind?
 
I did also like August Skyhawk and Lambrigg Solaris but its nicer to see a stallion out competing and knowing that they can do a job.
 
No stallion suggestions as I don't know what's available in your area. Breeding for an end result larger horse out of a pony is always a dodgy thing to consider. Very often the offspring won't grow much taller than the mare if it even gets taller than the mare, even if the stallion is a good 2 hands taller. There shouldn't be any problem breeding to a taller stallion, I've done it a number of times, so long as you breed type to type. To breed to a much taller stallion, you want a finer built stallion put to a heavier built mare (which you have). I personally wouldn't breed from your mare, sweet as she looks, but if you decide to go ahead then I'd have her all checked out and cleaned out prior to breeding as from your foal photos it looks like she had a hard time foaling out. You need to budget around £1,000 to make and raise the foal to around weaning stage, that's providing nothing goes wrong. You also have to take into account the cost to keep the mare for 17 months. For what crossbreed foals are selling for in the UK right now, I'd say you'd save yourself a whole lot of money and hassle if you went out and bought a weanling.
 
Maiden mares are always harder to foal due to their bits not having been stretched before, so the fact she has had a foal now already is a good thing. The foal can only grow to the size of the uterus, but that may still be larger than the mare can birth. Very large foals can rip the muscles from the mares back and she will be in a lot of pain and very hard to treat and birth. Its nasty! Your mare is lovely, but i personally don't know if you will get the kind of foal you want from her, but of course this is your mare not mine :) Another option is to ask a few stallion owners if they have bred to a mare similar to yours and see whats come out. But remember the foal may come out like a carbon copy of your mare and display none of the stallions traits anyway!
 
Spring Feather said:
No stallion suggestions as I don't know what's available in your area. Breeding for an end result larger horse out of a pony is always a dodgy thing to consider. Very often the offspring won't grow much taller than the mare if it even gets taller than the mare, even if the stallion is a good 2 hands taller. There shouldn't be any problem breeding to a taller stallion, I've done it a number of times, so long as you breed type to type. To breed to a much taller stallion, you want a finer built stallion put to a heavier built mare (which you have). I personally wouldn't breed from your mare, sweet as she looks, but if you decide to go ahead then I'd have her all checked out and cleaned out prior to breeding as from your foal photos it looks like she had a hard time foaling out. You need to budget around £1,000 to make and raise the foal to around weaning stage, that's providing nothing goes wrong. You also have to take into account the cost to keep the mare for 17 months. For what crossbreed foals are selling for in the UK right now, I'd say you'd save yourself a whole lot of money and hassle if you went out and bought a weanling.
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Hi what do you mean it looks like she had a hard time foaling out?
 
ktj1891 said:
Whats wrong with foal having blood on it?
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The only place foals generally have blood on them is the back legs, unless there was a traumatic birth and then the blood can be all over the body and neck, which is where your foal is all bloody. So was it the vet who cut the afterbirth before the mare had delivered the placenta?
 
Spring Feather said:
The only place foals generally have blood on them is the back legs, unless there was a traumatic birth and then the blood can be all over the body and neck, which is where your foal is all bloody. So was it the vet who cut the afterbirth before the mare had delivered the placenta?
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I don't know, I just know vet came out checked the foal over and gave my mare injection and pulled placenta out.
 
I don't want to cause you worry, but personally, I'd have the mare thoroughly checked out by a proper repro vet if she were mine. Was the presentation of the foal correct when she was delivering the foal?
 
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