Stallion suggestions please :) *Pic to help*

maestro - thank you thats really helpful. I do adore Le grande I think he's probably one of those kind of horses I could watch all day, but I was inclined to feel the same way you do. I love your boy, wish he was a hand taller! How are you finding the one out of grafenstolz? he is on my short list but I read a few things about possibly not having the best temperament/quirky to ride? though the underlying theme did seem to be dislike of the owner which perhaps poorly affected opinion on the stallion. Chilli morning doesnt seem to be at stud at the minute as I can't find him? Thanks for that info on royaldik offspring, I definitely want something that thinks forward, I have a TB who has a nervous disposition when ridden (Ive had him years, theres no reason for it that I can find so I can only assume its just personality) and I really don't want another paranoid freak again, when he's good he's brilliant but when he starts being a moron its so demoralising. Out of interest would you think Glenhill Gold would be too solid for her?

millitiger- he's stunning. thank you just the kind of thing I wanted to hear :D. all mine are very responsive and off the aids as they were trained that way, particularly my TB so I'm very used to that and would be perfectly suited :). How do you find his attitude to work - is he a 'trier' for want of a better word? also confidence wise with jumping etc has he always been quite trusting/confident? I recognise they are all different but my mare is a trier and very trusting/confident/obliging, attributes that I would really like to try and keep by using a stallion with similar/producing similar offspring :p.

liznpatch - thanks, no problem. She just has a jump which we also DR in at the mo. Its a mono flap equipe synergy. Fits perfectly, never had to have it altered (get it checked by saddler). I also love it :D. However they are latex panels which are not suitable for regular/minimal altering from the information I was given so not suitable for horse that changes shape regularly. :) hope that helps. Im not sure if amerigo saddles are built on the same tree shape as the equipe, sure a search on here will tell you as that would open up quite a large range of jump saddles that would potentially suit :). I also advise looking on the amerigo website they have a fantastic catalogue which tells you what type of shape horse each saddle is likely to suit :).
 
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The Graf. foal is a bit light of bone but is very likable It is a first foal out of a Weston Justice/ Irish mare belonging to a client andis independent and forward thinking. I could be biased and say that came from the dams side too :-) By the way Weston Justice has a full brother who is 17.1hh and the full brother to his dam was 17.1hh too and his stock do often make much taller than him it does depend on the dam and parentage. I have got to try and make contact with the ChilliMorning owners for a COVERING CERT. SO i will ask his availabilty. I am guessing West Kington will have some frozen and it is very good we have just got an FEI pony back in foal with some.
 
Oh thats interesting :) so perhaps with my heifer graf might produce something just right on bone :) & sounds like nice temperament.
That would be good thanks, im not certain exactly when im going to put her in foal but earlier than I had initially planned so would be good to know if theyve planned to make him available somewhere AI. Do you think on my mare he would produce something too heavy as hes on 1/2 TB ? It seems a delicate balance trying to get movement and scope without losing gallop! Thanks for all your help and info :)
 
Becca a friend has a Chilli Morning foal he is a lot bigger than all the other foals in the field by that i mean leggy has a very nice temperament however friend is an experienced breeder and he does seem to throw big which may suit you.
I have a two year old by Grafenstolz out of our warmblood mare Nimmerdor blood line he is clever , excellent movement and will hopefully be a good eventer for my daughter.
Does not seem fazed by anything she is at the moment halter training him ready for backing next year.
 
Becca should have also said he is not quirky , gets on with all the other horses , has been well handled from birth picks his feet up in the right order for you , loves to be groomed but is spirited which i feel you need in an eventer he will not be plodding around !

If your mare has a good temperament will be fine with Graf.

His owner was always most helpful and still keeps in touch as likes updated photos and news every now and then .

If you want anymore info please ask.
 
thanks for the info :) I do like chilli morning. what type of mare did she put him to do you happen to know please? I keep going round in circles :p so many choices! graf is still on my list :).
 
Do not know the sire of the mare a 15.2 chestnut lighter frame than your mare put her in foal to CM because she has a good jump but is spooky XC and want something to event.

I know i am biased but our Graf foal has more about him if it stops raining !! i will get some photos taken. Graf has a facebook page lots of his foals and youngstock on there including ours .
 
Hi Cilla. Just wanted to say thank you :). I had my uni exam period followed by my birthday and entirely forgot to get back to you.

And thank you to everyone else for all the helpful advice :).
 
I have a 5 year old mare by Utah van Erpekom - she isn't coloured but she is beautiful and has super movement plus a super light, scopey jump. Her dam is a 15.2 TBX and as this was her first foal, I do not think the youngster will make much more than 15.2hh. This doesn't bother me as she was intended to be kept for ever anyway whatever her size. A friend also has a 5 yr old stallion by Utah, and he is also lovely. Utah does seem to push his quality through but as he isn't homozygous you cannot guarantee the outcome to be coloured. Good luck with your choice.
 
Agree with Graf. Has some lovely offspring with good temperaments.
Also, not eventing, but have you thought about Argento? Saw him at Addington a couple of years ago before he started doing the big competitions. Spent a lot of time talking to John about him who said he rated him as one of his best ever. I know his fee will have gone up now, but it could be one to put into the mix.
Good Luck. Having bred my own - now 2 year old Luso x Warmblood - it is an exciting journey.
 
I like Rubicell, with the stallion company, Hes not colored, but can move a dream, and is an eventer, and passing that on. I dont think he is drastically expensive either.
 
My royaldik filly is very bold, and has 2 gears - stop and full out gallop. We joke that she thinks shes a race horse.

Why dont you visit a few BEF days that way you will get to see the eventing foals with their dams and see exactly what the stallion adds. Theres always plenty of graf foals/youngsters. Plus i believe Ken is expecting a good number of Royaldik foals too.
 
I'd use Armour G on her, having seen him in the flesh he has exceptionally light movement, is coloured, jumps really well and is a thoroughly nice tempered stallion.
I tend to choose my stallions from a gut feeling watching them and he was absolutely fabulous under saddle. His competition record so far is excellent and he's a reasonable price too. Make the journey to go and see him, I promise you won't be disappointed, he would improve your mare in all the ways you want.
 
My preference for this mare would be a full TB. I would choose Watermill Swatch, performance tested, showjumped, raced and retired sound. VERY refining, has very elegant long lined foals. He is a very fluid mover.
And with TB you can almost guarantee the refining influence-there aren't any sturdy surprises in the mix!
If my mare had more bone it's where she'd be going!
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I would be surprised if it was the whole picture.

It's just the colour that has me wondering - ***as far as I am aware*** & someone might be able to tell you otherwise, there is no tobiano in ID or TB lines (the couple of coloured racehorses around are not pure TB, the tobiano was imported from an outcross to a coloured warmblood).

There are 2 notorious lines of warmblood who carry tobiano (Samber & Oberon) and of course there is a lot of tobiano in cobs.

The tobiano gene is dominant - which means that it is always expressed in a horse that carries it (albeit sometimes minimally - Eventrider123 has just had a tobiano filly who has 4 stockings and a blaze and no other white) - it doesn't "hide" and therefore cannot reappear down a line of bay or chestnut horses. One of your mare's parents MUST have been tobiano, so there has to be more than just TB & ID in her bloodline - if she was bred in Ireland, it ***may*** be more likely to be a cob, than a coloured European warmblood.

The colour genetics mean that unless BOTH her parents were tobiano, then she cannot be homozygous for tobiano. So, statistically:

50% of a tobiano foal if covered by a plain coloured horse
75% of a tobiano foal if covered by a heterozygous tobiano horse
100% of a tobiano foal if covered by a homozygous tobiano horse

If I were trying to produce an eventer out of your mare, I would go for a pure TB with a lovely shoulder - Power Blade as mentioned before, or perhaps Watermill Swatch.

Good luck & let us know what you decide. Breeding is one of the most amazing and exciting thing you can do, every step of the way, from picking the stallion, to the birth, to sitting on your homebred for the first time (which we did yesterday with our 4 year old :D) and beyond... x
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I assume your meaning our coloured racehorse he is by a 3/4 TB out of an I.d mare no warmblood in there! I would say that we use to own a Stallion who woul suit you if you want to breed eventers showjumpers he is called Ricco and stands in Cheshire I am sure you will find him through google!
I have pics of his 2 sons so you can see what he produces


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Hi Becca I know it's 5 years since you posted but wondered which stallion you chose for your mare. We had a very successful event mare by Flash who looked exactly like yours, and bred 4 excellent foals, by Up with the Lark, Royaldik, Silvio and Amour G. Contact me if you get this, please as we'd love to know how things went
 
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