Standing martingale??

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I need to put a stop to a nasty habit baby cob is in danger of developing and would appreciate thoughts on whether a standing martingale might be what's needed. Can't replicate the behaviour at home - its only when he's over excited and his brain falls out of his ears. He's always had a little bunny hob rear of a nap in him, but nothing that a kick forwards and a growl wouldn't put a stop to (unless he was really scared when he was young when I'd get off and lead him past whatever the problem was). A couple of times in company this year - 2 clinics as well as a fun ride - that little rear has gone a bit higher. In every situation I put it down to excitement and he usually only does it once then cracks on. He also hasn't done it for months and has been foot perfect even in busy warm ups.

Until the past few weeks. Initially I'd just moved them onto their winter fields so thought the hack where we bounced around like a kangaroo was grass related, but yesterday I obviously forgot to pack his brain on the lorry for dressage and he was embarrassing. Nearly unseated me in the warm-up and I took him out because there were young children in there. I was kind of expecting a few bucks in the actual test (no excuse but it was high winds, he was wound up and the rain was coming sideways) but there's a trot across the diagonal in Intro A away from the judge and after an appalling test I just tried to kick him on. First few strides were great then 'leap at X' was a very polite comment from the judge because in all honesty that was a rear - and a decent sized one. I don't think the judge had the best view fortunately but the steward and the next rider certainly did. I deserved my clap and well sat from the onlookers.

It caught me by surprise. I was furious. Probably a good thing the judge couldn't hear my language ....

I'm not chasing rosettes, so don't care if I ride in the warm up with one then whip it off or ride HC with one until he's got over himself. If its the right piece of kit then it can also go on hacking because right now he seems to think every single track is for cantering and I'm getting too old for tantrums. He gets very light in the hand the split second before he does it and that's where I'm hoping the martingale can kick in and remind him of his manners.

Despite my embarrassment the owner of the venue has seen it all before and has told me to bring him back in 2 weeks. There will be kids there again because it'll still be school holidays so I'd prefer it if he wasn't trying to pretend he's ready for airs above ground.

Thank you for reading (& he'll be sausages if he does it at our lesson tomorrow ;))
 

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I like a correctly fitted standing for youngsters.

How does he generally respond to a restriction? E.g. if he 'hits' the end of the rope when tied up?
My only reservation is if he was the type of horse to panic and pull against the rope in that sort of situation.
 

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I like a correctly fitted standing for youngsters.

How does he generally respond to a restriction? E.g. if he 'hits' the end of the rope when tied up?
My only reservation is if he was the type of horse to panic and pull against the rope in that sort of situation.
Usually plants - but I am a bit worried about him going up with it on
 

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I have had good results from using a market harborough for similar issues.

Just be warned that if dressage is run under BD rules, then technically, you would not be allowed any form of martingale even in the warmup, even if HC.....however individual show centres may be happy to turn a blind eye at unaffiliated.
 

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I have had good results from using a market harborough for similar issues.

Just be warned that if dressage is run under BD rules, then technically, you would not be allowed any form of martingale even in the warmup, even if HC.....however individual show centres may be happy to turn a blind eye at unaffiliated.
I know that - I think the organiser would let me ride HC in one at least in the warm up. They are under BD rules (Quest runs after the unaffiliated) but I may have the midweek restricted intro class all to myself when the kids go back to school!! We were in danger of winning a rosette yesterday and I think I'd have handed it back in shame. Cheeks still burning....

Love them on young horses (not all, but a few) and I have a lovely elasticated rubbery one for the purpose.
Elasticated might work better - I haven't used one regularly since I was a kid with a jumping pony that was more talented than I was
 

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In the dark ages when I worked with horses I rode a reschooler that had come in because of rearing, I have a wonky nose thanks to that horse! A standing martingale worked successfully on him as just before he reared he'd flip his nose up horizontally then go up. I would think it's got to be worth a try.

I'm not sure a Market Harborough would work if he goes light in the hand?
 
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Like all martingales they should only come into play when needed. When I was a child I was very light and had a strong jumping pony and we used one on him. Can remember back then could affiliated show jump in it. No idea now. Yes not sure re light in hand as above.
 
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I always hack my young horses in a standing martingale.

If fitted correctly they are a very useful item. Much better than a running martingale in my opinion as they don't connect with the mouth in any way. also they allow you to turn the head a neck to manage a potential rear.
 

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I like a Market Harborough and its useful in assisting with leaners and committed eejits, but in this case I'd use the standing martingale as better effect without impinging on the mouth. He doesn't sound like he has other issues that would warrant the MH, he's a youngster who needs education in keeping feet on the floor.
Hope it works, good luck x
 

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Thanks everyone. I'll try a martingale. He does actually reach down into the contact and work quite nicely when he remembers his brain!

I just want to nip this in the bud. I accept the odd bit of plunging nonsense but he was getting some height yesterday and that's naughty.

This venue is only 15 mins away so I can always fork out to hire their arena and put him through his paces if they're not keen on HC.
 

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Sorry to jump on the thread but as so many have said a standing martingale is so good for a youngster, please can someone guide me to where I can see one correctly fitted? Seems to be various lengths used in the photos online, and I've not used one before.
 

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Sorry to jump on the thread but as so many have said a standing martingale is so good for a youngster, please can someone guide me to where I can see one correctly fitted? Seems to be various lengths used in the photos online, and I've not used one before.

It’s pretty easy to fit. When the horse is relaxed with the neck at a naturally held horizontal then the standing would have a little extra give. This will allow horse to stretch a little further down/forwards but will come into play if they invert.

It can help with nappy rearing, especially if used at the outset. Not a given though as some will drop behind bit and shorten neck.
But the nice thing is, it generally either helps or if it doesn’t it isn’t negative
 

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This has interested me too..I was always taught the leather attached to noseband should be the length from girth (elbow) to withers as a general rule.
It’s pretty easy to fit. When the horse is relaxed with the neck at a naturally held horizontal then the standing would have a little extra give. This will allow horse to stretch a little further down/forwards but will come into play if they invert.

It can help with nappy rearing, especially if used at the outset. Not a given though as some will drop behind bit and shorten neck.
But the nice thing is, it generally either helps or if it doesn’t it isn’t negative

Perfect, thank you both!
 

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I’m absolutely sure you know this tip (but some might not) that if you only have a running martingale just thread the two rings onto the noseband instead.
I did but I think my only running martingale is somewhere in the garage and it'll be easier to buy new!! Our garage is a dumping ground for "stuff".

But I need something that clips to a girth because he's in a WOW h-girth so will have to see what's available (cheap....)
 

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Like all martingales they should only come into play when needed. When I was a child I was very light and had a strong jumping pony and we used one on him. Can remember back then could affiliated show jump in it. No idea now. Yes not sure re light in hand as above.
This - they only come into play when needed.

We had a chronic and dangerous rearer as a SJer. He has been in pain when he came to us, and despite the pain being solved the learned behaviour remained whenever he was nervous.

Just prior to cracking out a rear he would toss his head. Standing martingale came into play for that one second as he hit the end of it and felt the restriction. Acted as a circuit breaker for him and it gave you as a rider the chance to ride forward in that exact moment. Rears got less and less and whilst never 100% eradicated with him, his rears were more like a threat than an actual rear.

12 weeks of standing martingale got him to a place where he was a joy to ride.
 
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I’m have used both a standing martingale and draw reins for rearers, both worked well on the horses they were tried with. I used to hack with either on and they did the job.

Neither impeded the horse going about its business out the hack, only came into play when they decided to be pratts.

Faran head tosses and I’ve been tempted to whack a standing on him as he does it so much sometimes that he falls over the poles we are trying to trot or canter over, he just gets so excited and does the welshie nose flip 👀
 

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I realised this morning that having something to focus his mind (it was a jumping lesson and we started with trot poles) also helps stop the front end coming up.

It didn't stop the ridiculous broncs but it was his first proper jumping lesson and he was enjoying himself rather too much....

He also didn't get to go home straight after being an idiot unlike dressage so I might sign up for two tests next time.

Still getting a martingale though. Hopefully not long term just while we need to remember some manners
 

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Shame they stopped making the buck stop and the rear stop. The buck stop worked I have two but never had to get the rear one, they must have gone out of business. http://stopthathorse.com/rearstop/rearstop.php

Have you tried you tube or google?? My mare done a few years ago but none since. https://www.wikihow.pet/Stop-a-Horse-Rearing
Never heard of them! Will have a look.

I think he'll grow out of the silly bucking - he's showing off. But I really want to nip the rearing in the bud because that's got potential to be dangerous.

My other two go a bit flat in winter. Having one who feels like he's on spring grass is a shock 😁
 
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