Straw on lorries getting wet What happens to it!

applecart14 said:
As for you RTE, well you are just down right rude. I wasn't intended to be a stupid comment nor was I being 'ignorant' but I did think it was an accurate assumption. I may not have been 'brought up on a farm' but I am aware that certain animals are kept and not used for meat. My gosh some people like to hurl the nasty comments don't they?? I don't quite think it was necessary for your comments to be quite so horrid.
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Ah yes, of course I am rude, because I have insulted you
But perhaps you could open your mind and perhaps engage brain before you write your thoughts on an open forum, if you are not expecting to be show down in flames.

"and if they are going to be used for cattle I'm sure the farmer wouldn't be too concerned if the straw gets eventual mould spores living in it, after all his livestock presumably won't be around long enough to see the effects of COPD as they will be burgers and steaks and the like"

Welfare regulations enforced by DEFRA are actually pretty water tight if you have any larger herd than a couple of cows.
Farmers generally like to keep a good bill of health in livestock farms, I am not debating you are not aware many animals are not used for meat, I was challenging you for saying "I'm sure the farmer wouldn't be too concerned the traw gets eventual mould spores living it" because it is a pretty stupid, unfounded statement, and I would like to know how you consider it an accurate assumption.
It is basically like someone who has no knowledge of horses calling you cruel for not having a rug on your horse when it is raining in the summer, and perhaps if you did understand the point of view of a farmer, you would realise quite how ridiculous your comments are.
If you are aware that many animals are kept and not sold for meat, and you are aware that most farmers give a **** about their animals, then why would you make such a slack comment?
I'm not rude, I'm firing back at a pretty hurtful comment.
 
RunToEarth said:
Ah yes, of course I am rude, because I have insulted you
But perhaps you could open your mind and perhaps engage brain before you write your thoughts on an open forum, if you are not expecting to be show down in flames.

"and if they are going to be used for cattle I'm sure the farmer wouldn't be too concerned if the straw gets eventual mould spores living in it, after all his livestock presumably won't be around long enough to see the effects of COPD as they will be burgers and steaks and the like"

Welfare regulations enforced by DEFRA are actually pretty water tight if you have any larger herd than a couple of cows.
Farmers generally like to keep a good bill of health in livestock farms, I am not debating you are not aware many animals are not used for meat, I was challenging you for saying "I'm sure the farmer wouldn't be too concerned the traw gets eventual mould spores living it" because it is a pretty stupid, unfounded statement, and I would like to know how you consider it an accurate assumption.
It is basically like someone who has no knowledge of horses calling you cruel for not having a rug on your horse when it is raining in the summer, and perhaps if you did understand the point of view of a farmer, you would realise quite how ridiculous your comments are.
If you are aware that many animals are kept and not sold for meat, and you are aware that most farmers give a **** about their animals, then why would you make such a slack comment?
I'm not rude, I'm firing back at a pretty hurtful comment.
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Ok if you are not mature/sensible/reasonable or fair enough to accept my apology then that's fine. I can't be bothered to argue with you. You know nothing about me and are not interested in my view point other than to argue the toss continually. I am going to bed. I care about animals as much as the next person. I rescue ex bat hens and I do voluntary work for the blue cross, as well as other charity work. As I say you know nothing. I have obviously touched a VERY raw nerve. If the other poster accepted my apology in good faith then what makes you so special???? No don't bother answering that.
 
Well said RTE. Having farmed for many years, the welfare of stock is of paramount importance. If you want a good price at market your stock has to be in the best condition that you can get it. This simply doesnt happen with bad husbundry and poor quality bedding and forage. Straw can be kept outside for a number of days due to the fact that it is so tightly packed. You cannot equate farming with horses.
 
No need to apologise as far a I can see - it's Rosie and RTE who are being rude not you !
We've all seen straw left out in fields getting wet and stored outside, alot of farmers simply don't have the storage to keep it inside. The farm I live on are certainly not at all fussy about the standard of hay and straw that they use - cost is the only thing that matters and I would never use any of it for horses......obviously horse owners are fussier about what they use for feed or bedding and to argue otherwise is wrong .....
 
bonny said:
No need to apologise as far a I can see - it's Rosie and RTE who are being rude not you !
We've all seen straw left out in fields getting wet and stored outside, alot of farmers simply don't have the storage to keep it inside. The farm I live on are certainly not at all fussy about the standard of hay and straw that they use - cost is the only thing that matters and I would never use any of it for horses......obviously horse owners are fussier about what they use for feed or bedding and to argue otherwise is wrong .....
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For goodness sake, as I said in a previous post you really cannot equiate farming with horse care. Cattle are kept as cattle should be kept, we dont ride cattle, we dont keep cattle like horses because if we did no one would be able to afford to eat meat. Cattle have differant requirements to horses, they have a completely differant stomach to equines. They are kept as a herd inside in the winter, they are bedded each day, but within a few hours, because they are bovines, their bed is a mess. It has to be scraped out, so straw that might be a bit damp round the edges really doesnt make a damn of differance. Yes cost does matter to a farmer, they are in business, not enjoying a hobby. To get good prices for your stock they have to be in prime condition. Without farmers you wouldnt have this countryside to ride in.
 
bonny said:
Meaning ?
Surely all you did was agree with me and miss the point of what I was saying ?
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No bonny, I was saying that farm animals are kept as farm animals. Yes they have requirements, not quite the same as horses. If you read your post previous to mine you will see why I have argued with you. I dont really want to fall out with you. xx
 
And there was me saying farm animals were kept as what ? Don't call me names unless you can back it up with something .......just no need.
 
bonny said:
No need to apologise as far a I can see - it's Rosie and RTE who are being rude not you !
We've all seen straw left out in fields getting wet and stored outside, alot of farmers simply don't have the storage to keep it inside. The farm I live on are certainly not at all fussy about the standard of hay and straw that they use - cost is the only thing that matters and I would never use any of it for horses......obviously horse owners are fussier about what they use for feed or bedding and to argue otherwise is wrong .....
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EXCUSE ME Bonny, this was between Applecart and myself, no need to sick your nose in, she and i have it sorted so go away.
 
You can always be trusted to come up with a sensible reply !
It's called a forum, I can have an opinion the same as anyone else. I thought you were being needlessly rude, Applecart wasn't. I think you are wrong, but heyho we are all different. And no, I'm not going to go away ........
 
bonny said:
You can always be trusted to come up with a sensible reply !
It's called a forum, I can have an opinion the same as anyone else. I thought you were being needlessly rude, Applecart wasn't. I think you are wrong, but heyho we are all different. And no, I'm not going to go away ........
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why carry onwith this stupid vendetta? just to keep it running or what- we have come to a conclusion so why cant you, or nothing else to brighten up your day? ah well hey ho--
 
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