Stubble fields- do you go in them with/without permission??

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We don't own any land, we rent it. Funnily enough we do not swan around it saying how lucky we are, we work damn hard to make some sort of living off it. Yes we live in a beautiful part of the country but thats it, we really lord it up on tax credits etc. Just remember many farmers survive on low incomes. If people had the courtesy to ask to use the field that would be fine, but hey, its too much to expect common courtesy.
 
Obviously it is terrible that you could get sued for someone falling off on your land - I can see how that would make you think twice about allowing people on your land - but apart from that, I think it is ridiculous! Why would you not want other horse riders to enjoy themselves - it is not as if you have to sacrifice anything? What a selfish attitude! If you are lucky enough to have lots of land, why would you NOT share the enjoyment of it with others?
 
I asked them where their mummies and daddies were and the reply was "oh at home, but they said we could play on the footpath"

If they do it again I am going round to have it out with the parents as these were only wee nippers (around 1ft 6" high) and we would be mortified if one of our horses accidently killed one.
 
This issue has really come back to bit me on the ass - when i was a kid i would take my pony everywhere and around any field that i could get into - i would never have gone onto crops but always around the edges and many times was chased off of them - me and my friends thought it was great fun.
One of the favourite fields was next to a neighbouring livery yard and offered a 2 mile stretch that you could really have a good gallop on. Unfortunately im now stabled at the neighbouring yard (15 years later) amd now because people used to take advantage of cantering up that field nobody is allowed on it not even the liveries - how i wish i could turn back time!
 
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Obviously it is terrible that you could get sued for someone falling off on your land - I can see how that would make you think twice about allowing people on your land - but apart from that, I think it is ridiculous! Why would you not want other horse riders to enjoy themselves - it is not as if you have to sacrifice anything? What a selfish attitude! If you are lucky enough to have lots of land, why would you NOT share the enjoyment of it with others?

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For the EXACT reason I have stated and you have just repeated- liability. We live in no win no fee Britain. Think of us all as whatever selfish monsters as you like. many aspects of british agriculture involve pockets of being asset rich and cash poor, so the risk of getting sued for liability for horse riders is a risk a lot of farmers do not like to take.
 
Children!!! playing in fields, OMG how disgraceful.

Bet they were townies too - who simply shouldn't be allowed in the countryside.
 
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The thing is....
Apart from the horrible situation, the scary thing from my parent's point of view is we could have been held liable for that, and it was seen afterwards to take every possible steps to ensure it never happened again, hence the padlocks.
You don't know what dangers are lurking in someone else's fields...

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Weren't you telling people to find alternatives to road work before?
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Not all of us have parents with plenty of land, or enjoy dodging lorries, I'll happily take my chances with a few rabbit holes, etc and I find your attitude depressing.

I know you have a point, but most stubble fields are relatively safe places where people can get their horses out. Usually IME the livery yard owners make arrangements with farmers, and if the farmers are worrying that people having accidents while on their own horses but on their land to the extent they won't let them ride there anymore, where does that force people without their own land? Back on the roads, so which is it? Or should none-land owners stay in arenas?
 
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What a selfish attitude! If you are lucky enough to have lots of land, why would you NOT share the enjoyment of it with others?

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TBH, it would be lovely to share enjoyment of it. But I grew up on a farm (not in England, OK) and most farmers don't spend their time looking at the view, nor galloping around the stubble fields. They work incredibly hard to make a living from the land and quite a lot of horse riders, simply because they haven't ever had anyone tell them, are quite oblivious to the damage they can do to the ground and the crops. I have seen people galloping through the wheatfields, running their whips through the wheat as they go. That's someone's livelihood. Since most farmers don't have the time or inclination to sort out the considerate riders from the ignorant, why should they let them on their land? I'm afraid my experience in the UK has been that there are a great many inconsiderate riders with no idea of the damage they can do.
 
Ok, I am going to out my last 10pence worth in and then I really should get back to work! I think everyone's opinions will differ (as they always do) and thank god we don't all have the same views as would make for a very boring world indeed!

I shall carry on riding how I ride round where I live as I have done since I was a little kid. The farmers are the same ones they have always been and everyone knows everybody. Us horseriders help farmers out when necessary and so far in over 20 odd years I have never once been nor heard of anyone else having been told off for galloping on a stubble field so my assumption would be the farmers are happy with it going on or believe me we would know about it! I think for the 1 to 2 weeks the fields are stubble the farmers are happy for riders to enjoy themselves.

I am also perfectly courteous thank you very much and am also well aware if I have an accident then that's my fault and is a risk I am prepared to take. If a farmer did ask me to not go on his stubble field then I wouldn't go on it but it hasn't ever happened and as I wear hi viz it's not exactly like I can hide!

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You sould as though you have some massive chip on their shoulder. I commented on the other thread that if the road is that bloody dangerous maybe she shouldn't be on it- I ride my horses on the road every day, I'm not arsed.
With permission from the landowner, knock yourself out, but I think the attitude that some people think they have a right to ride on other people's land because landowners are selfish is stupid.
 
i would never cross any sort of land, pasture or stubble, unless i had permission from the landowner.

how bl00dy rude to just presume you are doing no harm.

if you really want to cross the fields or they link up 2 bridleways etc why not track down the farmer and ASK if you can ride there?
and perhaps thank him with a bottle of something at Christmas... but perhaps that is too polite and civilised for some people?
 
Ok...well, this seems to have got a bit heated.....

Its different in every area I suppose, but in the semi-rural agricultural area where I live there are lots of horse-riders....as fas as I know no farmer has a problem with anyone riding on the stubble fields pre-ploughing....or going around the edges of crop-fields. Most people on the whole are respectful...unless you're talking quad bikes which is a different kettle of fish. As I say, local farmers tell us when we can go on the fields and as most of them are related anyway its pretty much same rule for all.

I do find the attitude of 'its my land and you can't have a go'' per se very selfish...I understand if crops were being damaged etc etc as it is a business.....perhaps I have difficulty understanding because as I say, landowners and horse-riders where I live appear to have a mutual respect for each other, they leave the fields for several weeks for us to have a blast around and when they are ploughed we are back on the bridlepaths. One old farmer I know tells me he's seen me having a good old gallop, asks if I enjoyed myself and just tells me to 'take care'......possibly because his daughter and grand-daughters ride he's more obliging.
 
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Obviously it is terrible that you could get sued for someone falling off on your land - I can see how that would make you think twice about allowing people on your land - but apart from that, I think it is ridiculous! Why would you not want other horse riders to enjoy themselves - it is not as if you have to sacrifice anything? What a selfish attitude! If you are lucky enough to have lots of land, why would you NOT share the enjoyment of it with others?

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I am with Rosie on this.

Little Flea, I accept that you come from somewhere with a different view on this, but you are in the UK now, not Sweden, so you really have to go with the law of the land whether you like it or not.

I do not own vast swathes of land, acreage is irrelevant. If you rode on my land with that arrogant attitude I'd ask you to leave and not return. It would be your attitude that would pee me off, it IS MY land, I pay taxes, I work it, I mend it, why should you then EXPECT to get all the fun of belting over it for FREE? Would you REALLY be happy for someone to come and do as they wished on your lawn?

If you had the common courtesy to ask permission first then I would tell you where you could ride with my blessing, I have acres of woodland that I don't mind people riding in but also some where I don't want people going with their horses.
 
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You sould as though you have some massive chip on their shoulder.

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And you don't
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Sorry couldn't resist, I think you've made your point now though....Can't believe I started this thread, didn't expect it to turn out like this
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No chip on my shoulder, I have a problem with people expecting to ride on land they don't own, didn't pay for, doing work and toil over, and more often than not, don't understand.
 
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Ok, I am going to out my last 10pence worth in and then I really should get back to work! I think everyone's opinions will differ (as they always do) and thank god we don't all have the same views as would make for a very boring world indeed!

I shall carry on riding how I ride round where I live as I have done since I was a little kid. The farmers are the same ones they have always been and everyone knows everybody. Us horseriders help farmers out when necessary and so far in over 20 odd years I have never once been nor heard of anyone else having been told off for galloping on a stubble field so my assumption would be the farmers are happy with it going on or believe me we would know about it! I think for the 1 to 2 weeks the fields are stubble the farmers are happy for riders to enjoy themselves.

I am also perfectly courteous thank you very much and am also well aware if I have an accident then that's my fault and is a risk I am prepared to take. If a farmer did ask me to not go on his stubble field then I wouldn't go on it but it hasn't ever happened and as I wear hi viz it's not exactly like I can hide!

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I agree - and I'd better get back to work now too.
 
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If you are lucky enough to have lots of land, why would you NOT share the enjoyment of it with others?

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i live in a flat with no garden so on the next hot day shall i just stroll into our next door's garden and light up the BBQ??

afterall, they are 'lucky' enough to have a garden, why can't i enjoy it???
 
I actually don't know any farmers who have the attitude 'its my land and no one else can use it',but they do have the attitude of ' if they haven't got the manners to ask they can get lost'
 
Surely you cannot damage a stubble field though as a stubble field is one where the eheat etc has been harvested so there isn't any wheat etc on it?! Galloping trhough a field of crops is totally different and I don't think anyone would say that is acceptable.

A stubble field is going to be ploughed up shortly after being stubble so horses hooves on it is surely no more 'damage' than it being ploughed?

(damn it, I said I'd put my last 10pence in - call it 20p!)
 
QR no way, not without knowing I had permission. Too rude for words.

That said I do find the 'get orf my land' attitude exceedingly distasteful - I do apologise for being the daughter of a lowly nurse and police officer and therefore less worthy of going into the countryside and shall ensure that I ride only on the M25 in future. Sorry.
 
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No chip on my shoulder, I have a problem with people expecting to ride on land they don't own, didn't pay for, doing work and toil over, and more often than not, don't understand.

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Oh no I agree with you there, riders shouldn't be in stubble fields without permission, end of. Sorry, it was when you said that people shouldn't canter on bridlepaths that pissed me off. Bridleways are there to be enjoyed, we don't all have 1000 acres of land to gallop over, jump dry stone walls etc (even though you can't ride there in winter, poor you, back to the bridleways like the rest of us) If people want to canter in winter, yeh its annoying when it freezes and you can barely walk on it because it's so rutted, but you can't critiscize people for cantering on paths where they are totally allowed to!!!!! Most people have no where else to canter, particularly if they have no school. So perhaps you should consider that before you call them ignorant for doing something they are totally allowed to do!!!
 
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Tell you what, join your local hunt - you get plenty of gallops in then, and its better social than tresspassing
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ooh yeah, cos that is SO helpful.

Be thankful that you have got land to ride over, other people arnt so fortunate, and some people are considerate enough to ask permission to ride on it, whilst others arnt - thats just the way the cookie crumbles!!
 
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If you are lucky enough to have lots of land, why would you NOT share the enjoyment of it with others?

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i live in a flat with no garden so on the next hot day shall i just stroll into our next door's garden and light up the BBQ??

afterall, they are 'lucky' enough to have a garden, why can't i enjoy it???

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Because there are privacy issues since gardens tends to be rather close to houses thus being rather different to say 1000 acres of land. Hope this helps.
 
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Tell you what, join your local hunt - you get plenty of gallops in then, and its better social than tresspassing
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How do I get said horse fit to hunt if I can't canter anywhere???
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I Gallop along bridlewyas, aslong as its clear
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And I only go for gallops in fields which belong toour neighbour, after they have said OK.
As for NOT galloping along bridleways, we have a filed at the top of our road which is leading to a bridleway, we gallop along it, and seeing as in the past it was flattened to be used as a racetrack for training up racehorses by the owner, I think thats perfectly acceptable, people have galloped along that field for ever really...so
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Tell you what, join your local hunt - you get plenty of gallops in then, and its better social than tresspassing
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No offence...I dont hunt, so I dunno....but.....don't you go galloping over crops and fields and on occasion, other peoples gardens???

Whats the difference, with regards to causing damage??

Sorry- not being facetious or wishing to cause a ruck...but....
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